Talk of Raising Top French Tax Rates to 75%

Disillusioned said:
I'm sorry is he saying the view of suspicion is different here? Because it sounds rather familiar. God help you if you're in that 1% category because apparently you're instantly an evil megalomaniac who should give all their money to charity lest you go to hell
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I read the French tax attorney's comments as him saying the cultural divide is in the U.S. they celebrate the successful entrepreneur whereas in France they view him with suspicion and I agree with his assessment. What jumped out at me was his use of the term "self made man". Reading that after all the hub bub from Obama's speech about self made men was the red meat part I referenced.
 
Lowaicue said:
Not quite as simple as that. We have seen in recent weeks evidence that the super rich and their companies and organisations are avoiding payment of 'some', if not all taxes. In the past we have seen senior bank executives treating public money as their own. Many (not all of course) rich companies, governed by rich executives, are responsible for out sourcing jobs and for underpayment of their staff. When you are that rich and you have that power there are many advantages you can take that are not open to the common man.
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the 'common man' is responsible for all of these rich people, companies, and organizations having all the legal channels to avoid these taxes. we get the corporatist government we vote for.
 
cawacko said:
I read the French tax attorney's comments as him saying the cultural divide is in the U.S. they celebrate the successful entrepreneur whereas in France they view him with suspicion and I agree with his assessment. What jumped out at me was his use of the term "self made man". Reading that after all the hub bub from Obama's speech about self made men was the red meat part I referenced.
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I don't think that is entirely accurate, there are plenty of champagne socialists in France.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I don't think that is entirely accurate, there are plenty of champagne socialists in France.
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You would know better than I but in general you don't think the feeling in France towards those with money is viewed more negatively than in the U.S.?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the 'common man' is responsible for all of these rich people, companies, and organizations having all the legal channels to avoid these taxes. we get the corporatist government we vote for.
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No. But, although you will never believe it, you vote for whoever the money pays for. You are still a two party system, despite the fact that millions are disillusioned with both. You are a two party capitalist system because THAT IS WHAT THE MONEY DEMANDS.
The common man has NO REAL SAY in his future.
 
The common man has NO REAL SAY in his future.
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Philosophically speaking, no one ever really does, do they?


The principles that founded the United States are still intact, and millions of Americans still strongly believe in them. These principles are the cornerstone to our enormous success as a nation, and most of the prosperity around the world, if truth be told. Without these principles, man would still be enslaved to government, shackled to their class forever, and without even the faintest hope of having a say in their future. It is precisely why millions came here and formed a free nation, conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights from their Creator.

You can be cynical and trite, but the facts speak for themselves, never before in the history of humankind, has man devised such a brilliant government system. The fact that we've allowed Eurotrash Socialists to infect our system with their East European idiocy, doesn't mean the system itself is bad. We need to run a "virus scan" and that is coming November 6th.
 
Dixie said:
Philosophically speaking, no one ever really does, do they?


The principles that founded the United States are still intact, and millions of Americans still strongly believe in them. These principles are the cornerstone to our enormous success as a nation, and most of the prosperity around the world, if truth be told. Without these principles, man would still be enslaved to government, shackled to their class forever, and without even the faintest hope of having a say in their future. It is precisely why millions came here and formed a free nation, conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights from their Creator.

You can be cynical and trite, but the facts speak for themselves, never before in the history of humankind, has man devised such a brilliant government system. The fact that we've allowed Eurotrash Socialists to infect our system with their East European idiocy, doesn't mean the system itself is bad. We need to run a "virus scan" and that is coming November 6th.
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I would hazard a guess that the Koch brothers have a great deal of say in their future.... and, quite possibly, in yours.
 
Dixie said:
Not really. If the dollar collapses, what do they have?
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If the dollar collapse they will still have so much more than you that they will still call the shots. However their fortune, unless they are completely stupid, will not be held in any single currency. Their asset value may tumble but it will still be more than some smaller nations and they will STILL be able to buy the law. Unless you are in the same class as them and others of their ilk, you will never control their future and you will NEVER be able to challenge them (should you want to) in any court in America.
 
Lowaicue said:
I would hazard a guess that the Koch brothers have a great deal of say in their future.... and, quite possibly, in yours.
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Only if you ignore the billionaires on "the left" doing the same thing for the "other side"...

The idea that they have more power than big money on the left is just convenient directed thought. You should think more freely rather than spout the talking points. The power of money in government is real, but the idea that one "side" has more control is ridiculous.
 
Lowaicue said:
If the dollar collapse they will still have so much more than you that they will still call the shots. However their fortune, unless they are completely stupid, will not be held in any single currency. Their asset value may tumble but it will still be more than some smaller nations and they will STILL be able to buy the law. Unless you are in the same class as them and others of their ilk, you will never control their future and you will NEVER be able to challenge them (should you want to) in any court in America.
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Doesn't matter. The collapse of the dollar would mean almost certain collapse for other currencies. And they can't buy jack shit with money that is useless.

And yes, If I have a legitimate legal case against them, I can challenge them in court and I can prevail, people do it everyday.

No one controls their future, not them, not you, not me. You could have a brain aneurysm and die before you finish reading this post. Nothing is ever guaranteed regarding your future. You should STOP trying to destroy people who are successful, and start trying to emulate them.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I don't think that is entirely accurate, there are plenty of champagne socialists in France.
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You say that as if you believe socialists should all be poor and not enjoy the fruits of their labour. The average French man, if asked about politics in France, would shrug his shoulders, splay his hands and say, 'Non.'
 
Dixie said:
Doesn't matter. The collapse of the dollar would mean almost certain collapse for other currencies. And they can't buy jack shit with money that is useless.

And yes, If I have a legitimate legal case against them, I can challenge them in court and I can prevail, people do it everyday.

No one controls their future, not them, not you, not me. You could have a brain aneurysm and die before you finish reading this post. Nothing is ever guaranteed regarding your future. You should STOP trying to destroy people who are successful, and start trying to emulate them.
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I have no desire to destroy people who are successful, but I have a great desire to destroy those who are dishonest and exploitative.
 
Dixie said:
Which just incidentally happen to be those who are successful, in your mind.
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Not at all. Success comes in many guises. Bill Gates is successful, I haven't heard of any misconduct there. I'm sure there are many more. Similarly dishonesty does not only concern the rich. There are many cheats and liars who, despite their dishonest efforts, have not climbed to the dizzy heights of the mega rich.
 
Lowaicue said:
No. But, although you will never believe it, you vote for whoever the money pays for. You are still a two party system, despite the fact that millions are disillusioned with both. You are a two party capitalist system because THAT IS WHAT THE MONEY DEMANDS.
The common man has NO REAL SAY in his future.
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Gee!!

That sounds similar to what the Chinese Government wants they want the schools in Hong Kong to start teaching.
A one party system is so much better; HUH comrade. :palm:
 
Damocles said:
Only if you ignore the billionaires on "the left" doing the same thing for the "other side"...

The idea that they have more power than big money on the left is just convenient directed thought. You should think more freely rather than spout the talking points. The power of money in government is real, but the idea that one "side" has more control is ridiculous.
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He has to say the things he says; because it's about survival.
He's trying to do business in Hong Kong and it's very well known that the Chinese monitor and control the internet there.
Therefore; if he spoke the truth, he wouldn't be allowed to be there anymore.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
He has to say the things he says; because it's about survival.
He's trying to do business in Hong Kong and it's very well known that the Chinese monitor and control the internet there.
Therefore; if he spoke the truth, he wouldn't be allowed to be there anymore.
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Ii is plainly obvious that you've never travelled anywhere as your views of the world are so stupid it is beyond parody. There is very little censorship in HK unlike mainland China where the internet is indeed heavily monitored. You've been told this endlessly but you are just too dense to understand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Hong_Kong
 
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