Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you

The wayback machine....courtesy of the rightwing....LOL
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/14/1120056/-It-Ain-t-the-Same-700-Billion

Conservatives including Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are constantly deriding Democrats for pushing for an “entitlement state” or “European style socialism” but at the same time – they want to reassure seniors that THEY will get their entitlements. While at the same time they’re telling kids they’re going to be unlocked from the burdens of socialism that are Medicare and Social Security. Conservatives will sell this to the younger generations that their parents and grandparents who were FORCED having to live with a tyrannical entitlement nanny state ensuring seniors don’t die in the streets poor and without dignity. And conservatives will forget to mention this blissful libertarian paradise that they speak of exists only in Somalia presently. But with a lot of work – it could be coming to America really soon. *Fingers crossed*

Well – ABC News fact checks this fabrication that continues to be regurgitated by conservative political operatives … they say it’s false HERE:


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...lth-reform-cut-medicare-levy-500-billion-tax/
CMS and the Kaiser Family Foundation tell ABC News that there will be no benefit cuts to Medicare. They say instead of Medicare’s being cut, there will be much more spending at the end of a 10-year window, but it does slow the rate of that growth. This is all unless Congress makes drastic changes to Medicare, for example passing House Budget Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare Plan.

CMS says—and Kaiser agrees—that spending will be reduced by getting rid of fraud and ending overpayments to private insurance companies. It sends a message to those insurance companies: Operate more efficiently.

And instead of cuts, the CMS says they will be able to fund new benefits, including free preventive care and broader prescription coverage, including closing the “doughnut hole” affecting seniors.
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You're full of it....

Read more: http://www.classwarfareexists.com/p...teal-700-billion-from-medicare/#ixzz23YQJ99Hc
 
Dixie said:
Yeah, and apparently you can't refute any of my points or dispute the facts presented, so what does that make you?

Ryan's 2013 budget proposal is not Ryan's proposal for Medicare reform... they are two entirely different pieces of legislation... completely different committees and debates... they have very little to do with one another, since Medicare is largely a state sponsored program, and doesn't have much to do with the general budget of the federal government. What you have done, is try to construct a Frankenstein Strawman by taking part of this bill and that bill, and molding them around your narrative. You have FAILED Dr. FrankenTurd!
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You simply have no idea what in the hell you are talking about. And you confuse Medicare and Medicaid to boot.
 
Facts are unbiased. FACTS also have a liberal bias because those of us who aren't brainwashed by the right can think and check them. We don't post BS.
 
Haiku said:
Facts are unbiased. FACTS also have a liberal bias because those of us who aren't brainwashed by the right can think and check them. We don't post BS.
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The facts here are, Democrats want to take $700 billion from a failing Medicare system to fund Obamacare. Republicans are putting forward sensible reform legislation to not only ensure current seniors will continue to have Medicare, but the program can be solvent for generations to come. The Democrats propose doing nothing but ignoring the Medicare crisis, while they pilfer the already depleted funds. Republicans are interested in reforming the system to save it and preserve it for the future.

It is indeed important we remember these facts.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
No, that isn't what Ryan proposed. That is what Paul Ryan and Ron Wyden jointly put out. What Ryan proposed, the House passed and Mitt Romney said he would sign if it crossed his desk as president was substantially different from that.

Your dishonesty is amazing. I mean, I've come to accept a certain level of dishonesty from Republicans, but this is just flat out lying.
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No, you are the one sticking to the Dem talking points and pretending that the earlier version is the only one that can be discussed. The fact that Ryan and Wyden took the criticisms from the earlier version and created a plan that addressed them (or at least most of them) is a good thing. But you want to pretend it didn't happen because you cannot bash the newer version. You just want to keep stomping your feet and shouting 'but that isn't the other outdated plan that we want to bash'...
 
Dixie said:
The facts here are, Democrats want to take $700 billion from a failing Medicare system to fund Obamacare. Republicans are putting forward sensible reform legislation to not only ensure current seniors will continue to have Medicare, but the program can be solvent for generations to come. The Democrats propose doing nothing but ignoring the Medicare crisis, while they pilfer the already depleted funds. Republicans are interested in reforming the system to save it and preserve it for the future.

It is indeed important we remember these facts.
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Superfreak said:
Given the responses from the left thus far, I think Ryan does scare them. It was an onion article. Yet look how defensive they got. Poor Dung desperately digging for an article that would say 'Reps are worried about the pick', Darla making up BS about Ryan thinking a fertilized egg has more rights than a woman etc...

I think I can understand why they are afraid... that VP debate is going to be a bad night for a certain Vice President Biden.
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Scared? I'm thrilled! I was worried Romney was going to pick someone who was seen as reasonable and moderate, but instead he picks this right-wing ideologue who's only going to appeal to his own kind.
 
Dixie said:
The facts here are, Democrats want to take $700 billion from a failing Medicare system to fund Obamacare. Republicans are putting forward sensible reform legislation to not only ensure current seniors will continue to have Medicare, but the program can be solvent for generations to come. The Democrats propose doing nothing but ignoring the Medicare crisis, while they pilfer the already depleted funds. Republicans are interested in reforming the system to save it and preserve it for the future.

It is indeed important we remember these facts.
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It's also important to remember reforming something is not the same as keeping the original so the Repub plan is not preserving anything.

"We'll keep Medicare. We'll just change it." :rofl2:
 
christiefan915 said:
Scared? I'm thrilled! I was worried Romney was going to pick someone who was seen as reasonable and moderate, but instead he picks this right-wing ideologue who's only going to appeal to his own kind.
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Great, so then we have a radical leftist ideologue in office now that has failed, so a contrast is what we need to choose....The question is do you want 4 more years of the partier, golfer, smart ass n chief that has made things worse? Or someone who will actually fix it?
 
Superfreak said:
No, you are the one sticking to the Dem talking points and pretending that the earlier version is the only one that can be discussed. The fact that Ryan and Wyden took the criticisms from the earlier version and created a plan that addressed them (or at least most of them) is a good thing. But you want to pretend it didn't happen because you cannot bash the newer version. You just want to keep stomping your feet and shouting 'but that isn't the other outdated plan that we want to bash'...
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Bullshit. You want to pretend that the Ryan-Wyden plan of December 2011 is the Ryan plan of March 2012 that passed the House and Romney said he would sign. It isn't.
 
christiefan915 said:
Scared? I'm thrilled! I was worried Romney was going to pick someone who was seen as reasonable and moderate, but instead he picks this right-wing ideologue who's only going to appeal to his own kind.
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I will ask you the same question Darla continues to run from... if Ryan is such a right wing ideologue... how does he keep winning in a split district?
 
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