Does anyone know? 1

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

That's what I was thinking. What if you're an atheist and don't believe in a Creator? Maybe it's like the Mormons doing proxy baptizing, you don't have to believe but you're covered by those who do.

The men who wrote the document had no more insight into a Creator's plans for a new government than anyone else who ever existed. It was 18th century language used to build cohesiveness and give people a rallying point when times were troubled and uncertain.

And here is the problem, the founding principle of the nation does not mandate that you must believe in the founding principle of the nation, and many of you chose to not believe in it. You have that right, but it doesn't change the founding principle of the nation. It does, however, explain why you have such a difficult time accepting the idea of "American Exceptionalism" and can't really comprehend it. In order to understand this, you must first understand the founding principle.

The men who wrote the document were very fervent believers in God. As are most human beings. You can make all kinds of points about their supposed beliefs, but we have to remember, they were attempting to establish religious freedom, and had no inclination to share their personal religious beliefs with others. It was not important what they personally believed, and this is why the public record is sketchy at best. The FFs purposely kept their personal religious beliefs private for the most part, by design, so as to not influence or tarnish the work they were doing. But in every instance, you can go back and find, each one of the founding fathers spoke of God and the importance of faith in God, as well as religious freedom of expressing those beliefs. They weren't Atheists.

 

[Lowaicue]

so the haves, the have nots, and liberals?

. No. I was not talking about America: i was not talking about party politics: I was talking about the politics of money/power. That is the same in most countries of the world ..... which is mostly not america!

 

[j-mac]

. No. I was not talking about America: i was not talking about party politics: I was talking about the politics of money/power. That is the same in most countries of the world ..... which is mostly not america!

Your dream of a society without worth, or barter in anything is a foolish premise. maybe too much Star Trek viewing on your part I don't know. :shrug:

 

[j-mac]

The wars the U.S. is involved in right now are not about citizens rights and freedom. They about greed,power,oil,and influance,and tricking the American public to willingly give up their cival and constitutional rights so that the 1% can have more money and power.

If the US is such an unjust place, so repugnant to you, why not relocate?

 

[Lowaicue]

Your dream of a society without worth, or barter in anything is a foolish premise. maybe too much Star Trek viewing on your part I don't know. :shrug:

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[j-mac]

What on earth are you talking about?

The way I read what you were saying, was opining for a world without money, or the power it garners...That is a fools errand.

 

[Lowaicue]

The way I read what you were saying, was opining for a world without money, or the power it garners...That is a fools errand.

Then, to put it simply, you are wrong.

 

[j-mac]

Then, to put it simply, you are wrong.

Well, maybe instead of being a punk, you'd explain further?

 

[CanceledB]

Well, maybe instead of being a punk, you'd explain further?

Maybe you should've said, "I'm not sure I understand", rather than projecting a bunch of insulting garbage in a failed attempt to hide your own ignorance? Ya think?

 

[wanderingbear]

If the US is such an unjust place, so repugnant to you, why not relocate?

I love where I live. Its the present govenment that I dont love.

 

[Granule]

Does anyone know what freedoms you are fighting for?

I'm fighting for all freedoms that jibe with my point of view.

 

[Lowaicue]

Well, maybe instead of being a punk, you'd explain further?

here we go again.
Would you like to show me where I said I wanted a world without money or the power it garners?
If you can do that I would be pleased to address your question above.
You compliment me by calling me a punk. It would take 20 years off my age.

 

[Lowaicue]

I'm fighting for all freedoms that jibe with my point of view.

Without going into detail I have freedoms but it is not necessary to fight for them since, as freedoms, they have not (yet) been threatened.
All you are doing is show an innate beligerence which hardly fits the image of a Latter (or even a former or present) Day Saint.

How will you 'fight'? With guns? Bare fists? Words? Tell me.

 

[Airstrip One]

We need AsshateZombie back right now. That guy actually does advocate a barter economy. Hillarity always ensues on those threads...

 

[Disillusioned]

that's because we have cops with an inferiority complex combined with a thug mentality


as well as a justice system that throws violent criminals back out on the street to victimize us.

I can't figure you out STY it would seem that you're holding two mutually exclusive prejudices at the same time. Either the cops need to lock up more people or they're locking up people for no reason for too long. Interesting how you were with both.