Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you

Bijou;1058478]Wrong. You're going to see that when you post slime to me, you'll get nothing better back. See how that works?

waaaaaah.....only bijou can be so hypocritical.

Completely and utterly wrong. We know at what point the baby is viable without its mother and placenta. And that is the benchmark for when the baby's body becomes relevant. Up until then, it is a part of the mother, thus irrelevant. If she decides to terminate the pregnancy, so be it.

viable and when life begins are two very DIFFERENT things. i seriously can't believe you don't know this.


Yes, how utterly ludicrous that you would expect a thoughtful response when you behave like swine. Just astonishing. :rofl2:

you're the one acting like swine. i gave you perfectly reasonable response and you freaked out.
 
viable and when life begins are two very DIFFERENT things. i seriously can't believe you don't know this.

Of course they're two very different things. That's the point I was making. 'When life begins' is irrelevant. 'Viable' is what matters.
 
The pill is 'birth control'... Condom's are 'birth control'... abstinence is 'birth control...

Abortion is the murder of an unborn, defenseless human child.

The pill is 'pregnancy control'... Condom's are 'pregnancy control'... abstinence is 'pregnancy control...

Abortion is 'birth control', preventing the birth of a child that is not wanted.

Preventing the birth of a child that would be neglected. Preventing the birth of a child who would know it's parents didn't want him/her. Preventing the birth of a child who would have no family. Preventing the birth of a child into a world that believes once they're here they're on their own. No nurturing, no biological family, no biological brothers and sisters they would know about but expected to function and perform just like a child that had all those things. And when such a child seeks a "family", seeks some thing or some one to belong to, we watch while they fail school, join gangs and, ultimately, end up imprisoned. And then those who ranted the loudest against "birth control" say, "It's their own fault. They had the same opportunities as every other human being and they have to take responsibility."

And the cycle continues while segments of the population not only refuse to encourage people NOT to bring such children into the world but try to change laws that would force people to bear such children knowing they have no intention to help either the new mother or the child. How noble to demand, by law, that such occur and then watch as both mother and child struggle and suffer and further demand they take responsibility for a situation that was forced upon them.

What twisted beliefs/morality/conscience could possibly support the forced bearing of an unwanted child?
 
Did I post somewhere that I take medication? Cite, please. Otherwise, admit you're lying.


come on bijou, we know the truth...It was confirmed not long after I arrived here...You are classic....Your patterns, your timing, even your irrational outbursts like above when enough asks a reasonable question and you nut out....I understand....
 
Of course they're two very different things. That's the point I was making. 'When life begins' is irrelevant. 'Viable' is what matters.

what? so it doesn't matter to you if life begins at conception? you do realize you're saying, that even if life begins at conception, that a woman can unilaterally decide to end that life.
 
The pill is 'pregnancy control'... Condom's are 'pregnancy control'... abstinence is 'pregnancy control...

Abortion is 'birth control', preventing the birth of a child that is not wanted.

Preventing the birth of a child that would be neglected. Preventing the birth of a child who would know it's parents didn't want him/her. Preventing the birth of a child who would have no family. Preventing the birth of a child into a world that believes once they're here they're on their own. No nurturing, no biological family, no biological brothers and sisters they would know about but expected to function and perform just like a child that had all those things. And when such a child seeks a "family", seeks some thing or some one to belong to, we watch while they fail school, join gangs and, ultimately, end up imprisoned. And then those who ranted the loudest against "birth control" say, "It's their own fault. They had the same opportunities as every other human being and they have to take responsibility."

And the cycle continues while segments of the population not only refuse to encourage people NOT to bring such children into the world but try to change laws that would force people to bear such children knowing they have no intention to help either the new mother or the child. How noble to demand, by law, that such occur and then watch as both mother and child struggle and suffer and further demand they take responsibility for a situation that was forced upon them.

What twisted beliefs/morality/conscience could possibly support the forced bearing of an unwanted child?

So is adoption a failed paradigm?
 
come on bijou, we know the truth...It was confirmed not long after I arrived here...You are classic....Your patterns, your timing, even your irrational outbursts like above when enough asks a reasonable question and you nut out....I understand....

Who confirmed it for you? Cite, please. Otherwise, admit that you're deliberately lying and asking to be sued for libel.
 
what? so it doesn't matter to you if life begins at conception? you do realize you're saying, that even if life begins at conception, that a woman can unilaterally decide to end that life.

That's exactly what I'm saying and it is 100% legal to do so.

As for whether or not it "matters" to me "if life begins at conception", that, too, is irrelevant and you posted it for inflammatory reasons and nothing else.
 
The pill is 'pregnancy control'... Condom's are 'pregnancy control'... abstinence is 'pregnancy control...

Abortion is 'birth control', preventing the birth of a child that is not wanted.

Preventing the birth of a child that would be neglected. Preventing the birth of a child who would know it's parents didn't want him/her. Preventing the birth of a child who would have no family. Preventing the birth of a child into a world that believes once they're here they're on their own. No nurturing, no biological family, no biological brothers and sisters they would know about but expected to function and perform just like a child that had all those things. And when such a child seeks a "family", seeks some thing or some one to belong to, we watch while they fail school, join gangs and, ultimately, end up imprisoned. And then those who ranted the loudest against "birth control" say, "It's their own fault. They had the same opportunities as every other human being and they have to take responsibility."

And the cycle continues while segments of the population not only refuse to encourage people NOT to bring such children into the world but try to change laws that would force people to bear such children knowing they have no intention to help either the new mother or the child. How noble to demand, by law, that such occur and then watch as both mother and child struggle and suffer and further demand they take responsibility for a situation that was forced upon them.

What twisted beliefs/morality/conscience could possibly support the forced bearing of an unwanted child?

The presumptuous and arrogant superiority-complexed busy-bodies who think they know what's best for others.
 
You can call names. You can be vile. You can even ignore the intellectual argument in favor of pure dismissal. But you can not take away that image staring back at you from the mirror the day after you murder your baby.

Is that what did it Bijou? Is that what pushed you over the edge of mental instability?

We hear the occasional story about how a woman had an abortion and is living to regret it. Let me tell you a story. I had a gal friend and one day we were chatting and she mentioned she occasionally thought about the abortion she had years ago and what life her son and she would have had so I suggested going for a drive. It was a warm day and I took her to the "poor side" of town. Girls, barely legal age, pushing baby carriages. Old, squeaky baby carriages. The girls (mothers) wearing second hand clothes which was obvious by the fit. Pushing carriages along broken side-walks past neglected parks where a group of teens were hanging out, one holding a beer bottle and two others sharing a "cigarette".

"You wondered what life you and your son would have had? Take a look", I said. Then I continued along the lines of....How many of those girls (mothers) will ever get a decent education and a good job? What does the future hold for that little boy who is now in the carriage? Will he have the same opportunities and cultural examples as the children who live where you currently live but where you wouldn't be living if you had bore a child back then? Do you think you would have done him any favor bringing him into this environment? If there's a Heaven and souls are separate you can bet he thanks you every day for your courageous decision!

I've lost touch with that gal over the years (25 or so years ago) but she would occasionally refer to that ride and thank me for showing her the reality.
 
So is adoption a failed paradigm?

Adoption may work reasonably well today due to the few children, relatively speaking, that are available. I suggest you do a little research if you want to know what adoption and adoption agencies (basically government/religious institutions) were like before abortion was legal. If you think molestations occur in churches and "organizations" like Penn State, places that deal with children, try to imagine the abuse and neglect that happened in institutions to children who didn't have any family to look out for them.

Actually, you don't have to imagine. I'm sure Google will give you all the info you need. There have been documentaries on those "homes" where the "little bastards" were sent. After all, many were run by religious institutions and considering the children were a product of an "unholy" union what would one expect? If we're all born in sin as the "people of the cloth" tell us then those children were "sin X 2.

What I find most peculiar is many of the people who place confidence in the government looking after the adoptees should abortion be outlawed and the government would have to be involved due to the numbers (over one million abortions yearly/one million new adoptees) are the ones who don't trust government. I wonder how those folks reconcile that. On the other hand considering the lack of help today offered to poor/single moms and babies I suppose the same approach would be taken. Tough sh!t.
 
That's exactly what I'm saying and it is 100% legal to do so.

As for whether or not it "matters" to me "if life begins at conception", that, too, is irrelevant and you posted it for inflammatory reasons and nothing else.

my good lord. it is now inflammatory to talk about human life, the human life an unborn baby. you should stay off message boards, you're too sensitive. you obviously are not comfortable with your belief system as you find it an attack if someone mentions human life. which is what the abortion debate is mainly about.

i like how you're now hanging your hat on legalities, while condemning zimmerman and not caring about a legal ruling. just as you believe society can judge him guilty even if found innocent, be prepared to be judged by your beliefs though abortion is legal. you can't have it both ways.

the issue highly relevant, because a human life is likely at stake. that you feel human life is irrelevant is not really surprising given your posts.
 
What I find most peculiar is many of the people who place confidence in the government looking after the adoptees should abortion be outlawed and the government would have to be involved due to the numbers (over one million abortions yearly/one million new adoptees) are the ones who don't trust government.

Peculiar is putting it nicely.
 
We hear the occasional story about how a woman had an abortion and is living to regret it.

We don't hear occasional stories, we hear endless stories. There are studies which show, women who have abortions are much more likely to commit suicide, suffer depression, become abusive of alcohol and drugs, cheat on spouses and have unstable relationships, etc., etc., etc. It has literally destroyed women's lives, they are never the same again. Because it was perfectly legal, and quick, and they had tremendous peer pressure, they did it... thinking everything would be fine. But you can't undo abortion, it is done and you must live with it. Every time you hear a baby cry, you think of your baby... every time you hear kids laughing, you think of your child. You have dreams at night about your child, and the more it torments you, the more people around you tell you to get over it and move on.
Now my personal view on abortion is more moderate than some, I am alright with keeping the medical procedure legal and obtainable by anyone, given some basic criteria that need to be met first. We can't have abortion become a substitute for birth control, so we need to limit the number of abortions an individual can have before they must have some kind of procedure to ensure against future pregnancy. Next, we can't permit abortions after a certain period of time, like the first trimester, because it is cruel and inhumane to the unborn human life. But beyond these two boundaries, we can allow people to obtain an abortion after they first submit to counseling, where they can be informed of how this decision might effect them. If they still chose to do so, then they can get the abortion.

Women need to know, if they have any doubts as to whether they'll be able to live with this, they need to chose another alternative. I am speaking as a man, but as a man who loved a woman who couldn't live with what she did. Had she known how it would effect her, I am certain she wouldn't have done it. This is what changed my mind about abortion on demand. Prior to this, I had a very 'libertarian' view, to each his own. But I realized we have to stop the madness. It's far too easy to get abortions in this country, at any stage up until practically birth. No counseling, no waiting, just wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am. Have a nice rest of your depressed life! --Here's a tranq and a shot of vodka, get over it and move on!

But you people don't give a shit, you don't care about life, not even the lives of the women you destroy who you claim to be standing up for. You're low-life degenerate pond scum, who couldn't care less about others, you are caught up in your own little fantasy world, where you can make up bullshit stories about 'friends' who thanked you for helping them see 'reality' by your grandiose explanation of how they are in heaven smiling down in admiration... you fucking make me want to hurl, to be honest.
 
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