Rod Lurie: The Military Is More Liberal Than You Think

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Here is a direct quotation from a column written by Maureen Dowd in the New York Times on July 23: "Asked by a Democratic lawmaker a while back why there weren't more democrats in the military, General Petraeus smiled slyly and said 'there are more than you think.'"

Now go to Colonel Steven Boylan of the General's public affairs office in Baghdad who said of the quotation that it is "in error, as he never made nor never would make such a statement."

Well, I certainly believe that Petraeus did not want to make such a statement given that it is inappropriate that a military officer make any partisan comment at all. But it does bring up an interesting question : Is the military more liberal than the clichés would have you believe?

The answer is "yes" and the reason that Obama will win the active duty vote this November.

Most people with whom I talk, often quite educated, think the military is made up of knife-between-the-teeth grunts, uneducated robots without any kind of free will whatsoever -- people who goose step to Republican philosophy and particularly the Bush cowboy mentality.

It is true that in the recent past most members of the military have voted Republican. This is because the GOP is far more likely to flood the military with cash and thus make the lives of the service member bit easier. However, I believe any sort of polling will show, on an issue-by-issue basis, that the military is mostly made up of people with a liberal mindset. And that is what Petraeus was talking about.

Let's take a look at the most ardent post-military political leaders in our nation today. Who are they?

John McCain -- Vietnam vet, former prisoner of war -- is a Republican. Robert Dole is a World War II hero. George Bush, the elder, is a World War II hero.

But now look at the rest of congress. The former military that serve in the House and Senate are mostly Democrats

Here are the political leaders with military experience who have taken prominent positions on defense issues. They are:

Wesley Clark - Democrat.
Jimmy Carter - Democrat.
John Kerry - Democrat.
Bob Kerrey - Democrat (winner of medal of Honor)
Max Cleland - Democrat.
John Murtha - Democrat.
Jack Reed - Democrat.
Daniel Inouye - Democrat. (winner of Medal of Honor)
Jim Webb - Democrat.
Charles Rangel - Democrat.
Al Gore- Democrat

Why do so many members of the military who decide on continuing in public service join the Democratic Party? There are several answers to this, here are a few:

1) Forty percent of the military is made up of ethnic minorities. Most of those, as is also the case with most of the Caucasian members of the Army, Navy, and Air Force, come from the lower economic classes. These demographic groups have largely voted Democrat in the past and will continue to do so. When officers (the more likely to go into politics) live with their soldiers day in and day out, a certain empathy builds. It is unavoidable. Those officers begin to understand and respect the problems their soldiers and their families face or have faced on a day-to-day basis. Indeed, the primary reason that young men and women join the service is not their fetish for combat or killing but to satisfy the dire economic needs of their family.

2) The United States military is probably the most socialistic institution in the United States. Think about it. There is universal health care in the military (though we have seen how unconscionably horrific our medical attention has been to our soldiers in places like Walter Reed). Housing is available to all members of the military. Educationally, the children of the officers, even the Generals, go to a school with the children of the lowliest Private in the army.

The major institutions that produce our most elite officers come from a position of absolute meritoriousness as opposed to wealth or contacts. Right now Annapolis and West Point are two of the nation's most difficult colleges to get into. Those two schools, as well as the Air Force Academy and the Coast Guard Academy, are blatantly transparent in who and how they admit because they are federally funded. The students who are accepted have to come from the highest academic stock. Were a qualified high school student to be be rejected in favor of somebody because of that person's family's wealth or political connections, it would create a gigantic scandal, given that it is Congressmen who nominate (though do not appoint) cadets and midshipmen.

Just for myself to be transparent myself, I graduated from West Point in 1984.

3) Former soldiers will almost always gravitate to the anti-war party. This happens for obvious reasons. The men who have been in battle tend not to romanticize it and tend not to take it flippantly. The reasons for going to war need to be extraordinarily convincing before anybody who has taken a bullet, seen their friends take a bullet, or who has lodged a bullet in the enemy's brain will put their support behind a war. Recent history has shown that the Republicans are more likely to use the military as a tool of policy rather than as a tool of defense. That is unacceptable to anybody who has served.

4) Finally, and maybe most importantly, is the Iraq war itself. The Bush administration sent our soldiers in on a mission that was initiated either by a lie or by the greatest act of incompetence in the history of this nation's intelligence gathering. In battle, our soldiers were ill equipped and not properly supported. (The "surge" was needed because Bush didn't send in enough troops to begin with). Our wounded soldiers have returned him to find inadequate medical care. The "love" that the soldiers felt from Republicans in peacetime turned into neglect and apathy during war.

The latest poll from Military Times shows that less than half of the military identify themselves as Republicans. The poll goes on to show that much of this anti-Republicanism comes from the bungling of the Iraq war.

As of the start of the year, only 35% of military personnel approve of the president's handling of the war, and 75% said the military is "stretched too thin to be effective."

A few weeks ago I was in Las Vegas playing blackjack. Two soldiers who were a couple of days away from being re-deployed to Iraq sat at the table with me. After a few minutes of conversation I asked them whom they were voting for. They both said they were voting for Obama (these two guys were white). When I asked them why, they very simply and honestly told me they want to vote for the guy that will get them out of Iraq.

I think this year we will see, for the first time, the active duty military voting for the Democratic candidate.
 
"more than you think . . ."

> lists 11 guys

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/154904/Veterans-Give-Romney-Big-Lead-Obama.aspx

Among Military Veterans: Romney 59% Obama 35%

Most military veterans don’t like the job President Obama is doing and prefer Mitt Romney in November’s election.

New Rasmussen Reports polling finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters who have served in the military favor the Republican challenger, while 35% support the president.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/july_2012/among_military_veterans_romney_59_obama_35

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Impossible - Grind says otherwise.

Who gives a shit what grind says? He is obviously no authority and does not even keep up well. I'll be taking the words of the Generals, the West Point graduates and the Medal of Honor winners plus my very own experience and attachments to the US armed forces on this subject.
 
LOL, he's afraid of me.

You listed 11, he's listed zero.

Gatorman FTW!
 
let the ultimate facts flow through you guys. mmmmmmmmmmm it feeels sooooooo goood. Look at all that science-y irrefutable data, groping your brain in all kinds of nasty ways. It wants you, it needs you, as much as you need it. It's going to make sweet sweet love to you.

The troops love romney. They hate obama. Obama thoroughly rejected by the military vote.

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/154904/Veterans-Give-Romney-Big-Lead-Obama.aspx

Among Military Veterans: Romney 59% Obama 35%

Most military veterans don’t like the job President Obama is doing and prefer Mitt Romney in November’s election.

New Rasmussen Reports polling finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters who have served in the military favor the Republican challenger, while 35% support the president.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/july_2012/among_military_veterans_romney_59_obama_35

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Who gives a shit what grind says? He is obviously no authority and does not even keep up well. I'll be taking the words of the Generals, the West Point graduates and the Medal of Honor winners plus my very own experience and attachments to the US armed forces on this subject.

How about polling data?
 
obama didn't win the active military vote in 2008....

unlikely he will win it again this time. he might though, because the military, contrary to some people's belief, don't vote in lock step.
 

What you have presented here is a Gallup Poll that is authored by Frank Newport and is generally dismissed by all responsible pollsters due to the constant bias and outright misrepresentation coming from them. The eleven mentioned in my article are just a sampling of what REALLY is happening in the military politically. With 40% of our military being comprised of minorities and the certainty that they vote on par with civilian minorities then that registers well for Democrats. Couple that with the fact that women, approximately 10% of the military population, and the scenario looks even better for the Democratic Party. The knife between their teeth knuckle dragging idiots can vote against their own best interests as they always do. Smarter people know and do better.
 
What you have presented here is a Gallup Poll that is authored by Frank Newport and is generally dismissed by all responsible pollsters due to the constant bias and outright misrepresentation coming from them. The eleven mentioned in my article are just a sampling of what REALLY is happening in the military politically. With 40% of our military being comprised of minorities and the certainty that they vote on par with civilian minorities then that registers well for Democrats. Couple that with the fact that women, approximately 10% of the military population, and the scenario looks even better for the Democratic Party. The knife between their teeth knuckle dragging idiots can vote against their own best interests as they always do. Smarter people know and do better.

your own OP author admitted some bias. nothing is without bias. your entire OP was just an opinion, which by nature has some bias.

the poll likely has less bias than the OP.
 
your own OP author admitted some bias. nothing is without bias. your entire OP was just an opinion, which by nature has some bias.

the poll likely has less bias than the OP.

LOL the delusions these idiots have is staggering.

I even gave two separate polls that reflect similar results.

and even if there were heavy biasing, I'm sorry, but it takes a lot to overcome a 14% hurdle.

BUT no, it's actually the opposite, the military loves obama. the military is actually liberal!

LOLLLLLL.
 
your own OP author admitted some bias. nothing is without bias. your entire OP was just an opinion, which by nature has some bias.

the poll likely has less bias than the OP.

The author of my article is indeed a West Point graduate and now a self described liberal as are most veterans. The article addresses that point fairly well, too. Try to keep up or at least show something credible for refutational purposes, yuck.
 
The author of my article is indeed a West Point graduate and now a self described liberal as are most veterans. The article addresses that point fairly well, too. Try to keep up or at least show something credible for refutational purposes, yuck.

LOL.

"we have this one guy who says stuff, oh - you have multiple polls over thousands of people? Well, it's probably biased"

LOL. LOL. LOL.
 
The author of my article is indeed a West Point graduate and now a self described liberal as are most veterans. The article addresses that point fairly well, too. Try to keep up or at least show something credible for refutational purposes, yuck.

i did.....what part of the OP and the poll are biased do you not understand? you tried to diss grind's poll as biased, while seemingly touting yours as superior....which indicates you think the OP is not biased.

it is like you're saying - well my biased source is better than yours.

LOL
 
LOL the delusions these idiots have is staggering.

I even gave two separate polls that reflect similar results.

and even if there were heavy biasing, I'm sorry, but it takes a lot to overcome a 14% hurdle.

BUT no, it's actually the opposite, the military loves obama. the military is actually liberal!

LOLLLLLL.

i said the poll is likely less biased....

wtf?
 
LOL the delusions these idiots have is staggering.

I even gave two separate polls that reflect similar results.

and even if there were heavy biasing, I'm sorry, but it takes a lot to overcome a 14% hurdle.

BUT no, it's actually the opposite, the military loves obama. the military is actually liberal!

LOLLLLLL.

No one has said that the military LOVES liberals and only YOU have said that the military LOVES repubs. The truth of the matter is that the military is not as conservative as you and your bogus poll might indicate.
 
i did.....what part of the OP and the poll are biased do you not understand? you tried to diss grind's poll as biased, while seemingly touting yours as superior....which indicates you think the OP is not biased.

it is like you're saying - well my biased source is better than yours.

LOL

The author in the OP is a self described liberal but he admits no bias and his article shows no bias. If you think otherwise then perhaps we can discuss the points that you consider biased. That's reasonable isn't it?
 
The author in the OP is a self described liberal but he admits no bias and his article shows no bias. If you think otherwise then perhaps we can discuss the points that you consider biased. That's reasonable isn't it?

the bias of gallup is very small. further, you have no evidence to suggest the poll grind presented his biased. any opinion, as i already stated, is biased. since the OP is opinion, it is in fact biased. if i gave you a source that was an admitted republican, you would cry bias. get it? further, the OP didn't address the fact that obama didn't win the active vote in 08'. leaving that out is another example of bias.

then the quote he uses he debunked by the military, but he still uses it as if it is fact. another bias.
 
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