Taliban behead 17 at Afghan party 'with music and dancing'

Darla said:
Why are you always making these announcements? As if you are the arbitrator of gravitas and credibility here. You're not. You have none of either with me. So stick it.

Just more bloviating...
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ROFLMAO... says the woman who proclaims that we have no credibility in discussing issues that involve women based solely on the fact that we are men. Why do YOU always make those announcements Darla?
 
Bijou said:
Only to backwards-thinking countries like Saudi Arabia.

And mouth-breathing Republican American shitbag males.
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Yeah, that is SF twisting things as usual.

I meant that many Muslim women, even self-described feminist ones, reject western feminism in its most broadly accepted forms. For instance, freedom to wear a mini-skirt and makeup.

I in no way was saying that my feminism is extreme here, because in fact, it's not. I am far from a radical feminist. I always say these guys don't know what a radical feminist is, they would drop dead if they met one. LOL
 
Superfreak said:
ROFLMAO... says the woman who proclaims that we have no credibility in discussing issues that involve women based solely on the fact that we are men. Why do YOU always make those announcements Darla?
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I say that men shouldn't be making decisions on women's health care. If you believe that is a radical statement, that's your problem. It's true. Even President Obama has said so. That's why I'm voting for him. :)
 
Darla said:
I say that men shouldn't be making decisions on women's health care. If you believe that is a radical statement, that's your problem. It's true. Even President Obama has said so. That's why I'm voting for him. :)
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LOL... right... but when it comes to the child's health care, you wish to be the sole decision maker. You wish to proclaim it is not human so that you can justify killing for convenience sake.

You wish to decide that others must follow what YOU want healthcare plans to have. You don't leave any room for other opinions... whether they are from other women or from those evil men. You want a cookie cutter plan that forces everyone to carry what you say they should carry in terms of coverage. You seem to think that yours is the only opinion that matters.

If you want contraceptives covered and your firm's plan doesn't cover them, get your own plan or lobby your firm to do so. Forcing every firm to do your bidding because YOU think it is needed is nothing short of arrogance. You do not decide what is right for all women. You just think you do.
 
Darla said:
Yeah, that is SF twisting things as usual.

I meant that many Muslim women, even self-described feminist ones, reject western feminism in its most broadly accepted forms. For instance, freedom to wear a mini-skirt and makeup.

I in no way was saying that my feminism is extreme here, because in fact, it's not. I am far from a radical feminist. I always say these guys don't know what a radical feminist is, they would drop dead if they met one. LOL
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I use the term Western Feminism in its most pedestrian way. Not my feminism, but broadly accepted feminism.
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Odd, because while you certainly did distinguish the difference between Western Feminism and Muslim feminism, the above also indicated a difference between the 'pedestrian' use of Western Feminism and yours...
 
Superfreak said:
LOL... right... but when it comes to the child's health care, you wish to be the sole decision maker. You wish to proclaim it is not human so that you can justify killing for convenience sake. Nope. I am no child's sole decision maker. I don't have children. Nor do I claim that responsibility. You may be confusing zygotes with children again, but that's a mental illness you should see someone about. It certainly has no bearing on my opinions.

You wish to decide that others must follow what YOU want healthcare plans to have. You don't leave any room for other opinions... whether they are from other women or from those evil men. You want a cookie cutter plan that forces everyone to carry what you say they should carry in terms of coverage. You seem to think that yours is the only opinion that matters.

If you want contraceptives covered and your firm's plan doesn't cover them, get your own plan or lobby your firm to do so. Forcing every firm to do your bidding because YOU think it is needed is nothing short of arrogance. You do not decide what is right for all women. You just think you do. Nope, I would never make another woman's decision for her. I am pro-choice so that all women have a choice of which path(s) to take. As for contraceptive coverage, I am sorry you seem to be confused? WOmen have already instructed men how it's going to be, and in case you didn't notice they hopped to it and put it into law. Where it now remains...with supermajority support from women voters. :)
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Superfreak said:
Odd, because while you certainly did distinguish the difference between Western Feminism and Muslim feminism, the above also indicated a difference between the 'pedestrian' use of Western Feminism and yours...
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Yes, in that many Muslim feminists do not accept western feminism. Odd...Are you retarded?
 
I've said time and time again we can't force a people to change their ways. At one time I supported our efforts in Afghanistan. I no longer do. The government and the people do now want us in their country. They are addicted to the lure of drug money from the Taliban and have no need for our western ways anymore.

Someday, hopefully soon, they will realize the error of their ways.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I am sorry but I do not accept what you say. That Guardian article says that 86% of women are fearful of a return by the Taliban and many are voting with their feet. Will you address that article? Of course you won't because it doesn't have the right on message of the moment and it comes from a left wing source, which apparently can't happen as the Politburo says otherwise.

As for myself and my sons, that is totally irrelevant unless a draft were brought back. What is the point of having a huge professional military if you are terrified to use it? I would advocate further use of drones to get the Taliban in their stronghold of Waziristan but no doubt you are against that as well. I will also point out again for the umpteenth time that I was vehemently against the Iraq war and think that it has made things worse especially with Iran.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/26/afghan-women-security-fears-inequality
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I'm sorry that you and I so vehemently disagree on this issue. I've always respected your perspectives, still do .. although you still avoid answering THE most critical question.

Very odd you talking about what I avoid when you've been asked this question dozens of time.

Whose child do you want to send to Afghanistan?

We have been in Afghanistan for 11 years .. the longest war in American history .. and the Taliban ain't going anywhere. In fact, we're making deals with them.

Although your intent may be well-meaning, they do not line up with the facts on the ground.

Unless you are ready to send your children to Afghanistan, I find your argument seriously disingenuous.

And my brother, I hate to pull the foreigner card on you, but how do you presume to tell Americans what we should do with our children and loved ones when you are not willing to make the same sacrifice?

I mean no disrespect by that, but you're talking about my child.
 
blackascoal said:
I'm sorry that you and I so vehemently disagree on this issue. I've always respected your perspectives, still do .. although you still avoid answering THE most critical question.

Very odd you talking about what I avoid when you've been asked this question dozens of time.

Whose child do you want to send to Afghanistan?

We have been in Afghanistan for 11 years .. the longest war in American history .. and the Taliban ain't going anywhere. In fact, we're making deals with them.

Although your intent may be well-meaning, they do not line up with the facts on the ground.

Unless you are ready to send your children to Afghanistan, I find your argument seriously disingenuous.

And my brother, I hate to pull the foreigner card on you, but how do you presume to tell Americans what we should do with our children and loved ones when you are not willing to make the same sacrifice?

I mean no disrespect by that, but you're talking about my child.
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Talking like a big daddy fool again, are you?
US children are not ordered to fight wars....never have and never will.....they are adults and volunteers and patriots......no one forces them to serve.....obviously, no one
forced you, huh ?
Even the US women that volunteer to serve have begged and fought for the right to serve in same capacity that was normally
reserved for only men.....from fighter pilots to the infantry, even the women have more courage than most of the lefty cowards.
 
blackascoal said:
I'm sorry that you and I so vehemently disagree on this issue. I've always respected your perspectives, still do .. although you still avoid answering THE most critical question.

Very odd you talking about what I avoid when you've been asked this question dozens of time.

Whose child do you want to send to Afghanistan?

We have been in Afghanistan for 11 years .. the longest war in American history .. and the Taliban ain't going anywhere. In fact, we're making deals with them.

Although your intent may be well-meaning, they do not line up with the facts on the ground.

Unless you are ready to send your children to Afghanistan, I find your argument seriously disingenuous.

And my brother, I hate to pull the foreigner card on you, but how do you presume to tell Americans what we should do with our children and loved ones when you are not willing to make the same sacrifice?

I mean no disrespect by that, but you're talking about my child.
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I don't know what you want me to say, I very much doubt that the British Army would be that desperate to call me up at my age and as for my sons, well my oldest applied for the Royal Air Force but failed on his vision. He already has a private pilot's licence which I paid for, I hasten to add.

I advocate the use of more drones to help save lives, they are becoming more and more sophisticated and hopefully the chances of innocent casualties will be lessened in future. I fail to understand the squeamishness about casualties when it is known for certain that pulling out in 2014 will result in countless Afghans being tortured, beheaded, hanged, stoned or if they are very lucky shot.
 
Whose child do you want to send to Afghanistan?
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Allow me to give you an answer...

I don't want to send anyone's child anywhere. That said, children do not serve in the US Armed Forces. Our military is comprised of adult men and women who CHOSE to serve their country, and KNEW they might have to go somewhere and it might involve being shot at. If they didn't know of this risk, perhaps their parent should have done a better job of teaching them what the military does, before they became adults?

Now, let me turn the question back to you... Who's child do you want to grow up in a 5th century fanaticism where women are stoned to death for showing their faces in public and men are beheaded if they refuse to tolerate it? The child who's skin is a different color and who talks differently than you? The child who wasn't fortunate enough to be born free in a free country? Or maybe it's the child you can turn your back on while they are gassed to death and dumped in mass graves, the way people once turned their backs and looked the other way for your ancestors?
 
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