Military TERRORIST Plot

They're a well-regulated militia, according to STY. Just ask him. :)

that has nothing to do with your question:

Who wants to be the first to defend their gun rights? LOL

i've repeatedly asked you about this and you keep running away.

why would you not still defend constitutional gun rights?

do you think we should just ignore the constitution because of these guys?
 
OK but still not seeing the issue.

1. Even if there was no 2nd, the active military members would have access to weapons.
2. No laws or change in any laws would have prevented these criminals from their misdeeds.
3. They could/would have killed their victems with or without guns.

What is your point?
If this thread is just about burning Smarter than Few, disregard this post and carry on.
Thus far, their misdeed is murder. Had they not murdered the husband/wife, they may very well have gotten the chance to use:

Prosecutors in rural Long County, near the sprawling Army post Fort Stewart, said the militia group of active and former U.S. military members spent at least $87,000 buying guns and bomb components. They allege the group was serious enough to kill two people – former soldier Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York – by shooting them in the woods last December in order to keep its plans secret

We don't know exactly how/where they got these weapons, and bomb components. Changes in gun laws may/may not have made it harder to get some of these weapons.

It doesn't take a gun to commit murder, but they planned to bomb a dam, and poisen food.
 
You can cite some kind of definition that proves "regulated" means what you claim it means, right?

Using a dictionary to explain a centuries-old concept is silly, isn't it?

try to keep up. I did answer the questions. please don't start looking like that idiot moron howey.

Keep me out of your menstrual cycle.

reg·u·late

verb (used with object), reg·u·lat·ed, reg·u·lat·ing.
1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.
2. to adjust to some standard or requirement, as amount, degree, etc.
3. to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation
4. to put in good order


do you also need a history lesson from the founding fathers? or do you prefer to remain an ignorant panty pisser that is scared of guns?

See what I mean, Zappa?

Nobody here, not you, me or STN, and most particularly a fucking dictionary, are able to read the Founding Fathers minds.

The guy who wrote this book does a better job at it than some GI Joe/Barney Fife wannabe:

http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1101&context=wmborj

Here's a synopsis of the book:

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Law/ConstitutionalLaw/?view=usa&ci=9780195341034
Americans are deeply divided over the Second Amendment. Some passionately assert that the Amendment protects an individual's right to own guns. Others, that it does no more than protect the right of states to maintain militias. Now, in the first and only comprehensive history of this bitter controversy, Saul Cornell proves conclusively that both sides are wrong.
Cornell, a leading constitutional historian, shows that the Founders understood the right to bear arms as neither an individual nor a collective right, but as a civic right--an obligation citizens owed to the state to arm themselves so that they could participate in a well regulated militia. He shows how the modern "collective right" view of the Second Amendment, the one federal courts have accepted for over a hundred years, owes more to the Anti-Federalists than the Founders. Likewise, the modern "individual right" view emerged only in the nineteenth century. The modern debate, Cornell reveals, has its roots in the nineteenth century, during America's first and now largely forgotten gun violence crisis, when the earliest gun control laws were passed and the first cases on the right to bear arms came before the courts. Equally important, he describes how the gun control battle took on a new urgency during Reconstruction, when Republicans and Democrats clashed over the meaning of the right to bear arms and its connection to the Fourteenth Amendment. When the Democrats defeated the Republicans, it elevated the "collective rights" theory to preeminence and set the terms for constitutional debate over this issue for the next century.
A Well Regulated Militia not only restores the lost meaning of the original Second Amendment, but it provides a clear historical road map that charts how we have arrived at our current impasse over guns. For anyone interested in understanding the great American gun debate, this is a must read.
 
F.E.A.R. (Forever Enduring Always Ready) is a militia, so of course they're sacrosanct just based on that alone, in Oath-Man's world, but they're also 'well-regulated', as per the 2nd Amendment gun right requirements. BTW, 'regulated' has nothing to do with the law, but everything to do with whatever the militia has agreed upon as standards.
and you're still fucking stupid. 'well regulated' is NOT, I repeat NOT, a requirement for gun rights, not that you fucking care anyway.
 
OK but still not seeing the issue.

1. Even if there was no 2nd, the active military members would have access to weapons.
2. No laws or change in any laws would have prevented these criminals from their misdeeds.
3. They could/would have killed their victems with or without guns.

What is your point?
If this thread is just about burning Smarter than Few, disregard this post and carry on.

My point is that there's a difference between militias like this one and the one outlined in the 2nd Amendment, and the murders F.E.A.R. committed isn't the distinguishing factor.
 
Thus far, their misdeed is murder. Had they not murdered the husband/wife, they may very well have gotten the chance to use:



We don't know exactly how/where they got these weapons, and bomb components. Changes in gun laws may/may not have made it harder to get some of these weapons.

It doesn't take a gun to commit murder, but they planned to bomb a dam, and poisen food.

Facts;
1. These people are criminals.
2. Criminals by definition do not obey laws.

Hence No laws or change in any laws would have prevented these criminals from their misdeeds.
 
My point is that there's a difference between militias like this one and the one outlined in the 2nd Amendment, and the murders F.E.A.R. committed isn't the distinguishing factor.

Sure, but being active military, gun rights for civillians have NOTHING to do with this. Sorry sister, still not seeing any valid conection.
 
that has nothing to do with your question:



i've repeatedly asked you about this and you keep running away.

why would you not still defend constitutional gun rights?

do you think we should just ignore the constitution because of these guys?

wtf...bijou runs away again

why do you keep running away bijou?
 
Please explain, Barney.
while cornell concedes that the 2nd is an individual right, he attempts to connect it to service in the militia (going against P & I in the 14th) which would subject the amendment to extensive regulation. It's the equivalent of using 'legal-ese' language to redefine 'shall not be infringed', which smart liberals should be terrified of doing because it would then subject all the other amendments to legalese redefinition. Since Cornell is a historian and not a lawyer, he doesn't have to concern himself with that, but the rest of us do.
 
why would you not still defend constitutional gun rights?

do you think we should just ignore the constitution because of these guys?
 
i try to engage bijou in rational discussion and she runs away....perhaps i should just insult her...she responds to those types of posts
 
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