OK You win.

[Lowaicue]

There was this guy. He looked as if he had just graduated and flung his brightly coloured mortar board as high as he could before posing for photos with his doting Mummy and Daddy.

But he had not just graduated.

OK. He looked as if he was auditioning for some new high school movie. Maybe the second lead or the guy who never got a girl to go to the prom. But it wasn't an actor at an audition.

Maybe he was a trainee manager for a chain of chemists or a young insurance salesman. Might have been good at that.

But no. He wasnt a trainee anything.

He hadn't just graduated.

He had not just been turned down to play in the kallige football team.

Who was he?

He was Ryan.

Ryan who?

Dunno.

Private Ryan? Could be.

But Ryan he was.

What did he say?

Dunno. I just could not focus on anything he said. Was it some sort of oral exam? If it was, he failed.

But this I was told. There are real grown up people in America who actually look UP to this kid. I mean people who drive cars and rope cattle (or whatever Floridinians do) actually look UP to this boy and want him to be....
wait for it .....
they want him to be their ....

I said 'wait for it'

They want him to be their vice president!

Who needs Bill Maher? Who needs Jon Stewart? Who needs David Letterman? You have Ryan!
Ryan the saviour.

Ryan the f*ckin' vice president of the USA. LOL oh excuse me... LOL LOL LOL

 

[Rune]

lol

 

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There was this guy. He looked as if he had just graduated and flung his brightly coloured mortar board as high as he could before posing for photos with his doting Mummy and Daddy.

But he had not just graduated.

OK. He looked as if he was auditioning for some new high school movie. Maybe the second lead or the guy who never got a girl to go to the prom. But it wasn't an actor at an audition.

Maybe he was a trainee manager for a chain of chemists or a young insurance salesman. Might have been good at that.

But no. He wasnt a trainee anything.

He hadn't just graduated.

He had not just been turned down to play in the kallige football team.

Who was he?

He was Ryan.

Ryan who?

Dunno.

Private Ryan? Could be.

But Ryan he was.

What did he say?

Dunno. I just could not focus on anything he said. Was it some sort of oral exam? If it was, he failed.

But this I was told. There are real grown up people in America who actually look UP to this kid. I mean people who drive cars and rope cattle (or whatever Floridinians do) actually look UP to this boy and want him to be....
wait for it .....
they want him to be their ....

I said 'wait for it'

They want him to be their vice president!

Who needs Bill Maher? Who needs Jon Stewart? Who needs David Letterman? You have Ryan!
Ryan the saviour.

Ryan the f*ckin' vice president of the USA. LOL oh excuse me... LOL LOL LOL

Hey low... just curious... how old must one be before becoming a 'man' in your deluded world?

Side note: Kennedy was 43 when elected PRESIDENT
Obama was 47 when elected PRESIDENT

Ryan would be 43 when taking office.

 

[cawacko]

I guess Mike Gundy wouldn't be considered a man.

 

[christiefan915]

So much of what Ryan said doesn't stand up to fact-checking but that won't stop idiots from voting Romney/Ryan. Just a sample:

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.
___
RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.
___
RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

___
RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...Ryan-s-factual-shortcuts-in-convention-speech

 

[Haiku]

Ryan is the ultimate beltway phenomena....it boggles the mind!

 

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So much of what Ryan said doesn't stand up to fact-checking but that won't stop idiots from voting Romney/Ryan. Just a sample:

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.

Except that the above is a lie. That is the common lie told by the left based on an older version of the plan. His current version does no such thing.
___

RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

100% true

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

which doesn't change the validity of his statement. It does show that he was a part of it.

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RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

Which is true. It did not last another year and Obama did say what Ryan said he did.

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

which again does not change the validity of what Ryan stated.

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RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.

Correct, it is true that Obama did not heed their recommendations. So again, he told the truth.

 

[CanceledB]

I love the way SF uses Eddie Munster's own words to *prove* Christiefan's facts wrong. Smells like a lil' bromance to me. Eddie would never lie.

Think Eddie's cute, Lovey?

 

[christiefan915]

Except that the above is a lie. That is the common lie told by the left based on an older version of the plan. His current version does no such thing.

I saw Ryan's comment on all the fact-checking sites today. Can you cite something that explains it as a lie?

100% true

which doesn't change the validity of his statement. It does show that he was a part of it.

The implication is that he was too principled to take part in "political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst..." His words ring hollow since he deliberately omitted mention that he was part of the patronage.

Which is true. It did not last another year and Obama did say what Ryan said he did.

That's parsing the language. Look at the timeline. Almost everything happened before the inauguration.

1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.
3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”
4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.

which again does not change the validity of what Ryan stated.

But it's misleading to blame Obama for what happened. Correlation does not imply causation.

Correct, it is true that Obama did not heed their recommendations. So again, he told the truth.

Again that's shaky. If Ryan himself voted against the final report, why should he have expected Obama to support it?

Ryan and his team tried their best to skirt the truth by careful use of language but the bigger point remains. He was dishonest.

 

[Airstrip One]

TR was 42 when he became president.

 

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I saw Ryan's comment on all the fact-checking sites today. Can you cite something that explains it as a lie?

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/art...s_needs_a_vigorous_medicare_debate_99845.html

That describes the difference between Ryan's 2010 plan and his 2012 version. Obama and many on the left continue to pretend that Ryan is still promoting the 2010 version (which does create a voucher type plan without a medicare as we know it option... and was projected by the CBO to raise costs to seniors). The 2012 version does not. It creates the same options currently available to federal employees.

The implication is that he was too principled to take part in "political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst..." His words ring hollow since he deliberately omitted mention that he was part of the patronage.

I agree that his words ring hollow. Most politicians words do during an election cycle and it is one of the things I hate.

That's parsing the language. Look at the timeline. Almost everything happened before the inauguration.

I do not disagree. He was playing games. He was allowing the listener to walk the wrong path. While he didn't say it was Obama's fault, he let the listener jump to that conclusion. Again, it is part of the bullshit that continues to emanate from the two parties. That said, it is equally false to say Ryan lied.

But it's misleading to blame Obama for what happened. Correlation does not imply causation.

agreed.

Again that's shaky. If Ryan himself voted against the final report, why should he have expected Obama to support it?

Ryan explained why he was against it... it relied to much on taxation. Obama still didn't do much of anything with the report. Very little was done. Also, Obama is President, Ryan a member of the House. Big difference in terms of expectations of leadership on the issue.

Ryan and his team tried their best to skirt the truth by careful use of language but the bigger point remains. He was dishonest.

I do not disagree that they carefully constructed the language in a manner that was misleading. I expect more of that from Romney tonight and more of it from Obama and Biden at the Dem convention next week.

 

[NOVA]

There was this guy. He looked as if he had just graduated and flung his brightly coloured mortar board as high as he could before posing for photos with his doting Mummy and Daddy.

But he had not just graduated.

OK. He looked as if he was auditioning for some new high school movie. Maybe the second lead or the guy who never got a girl to go to the prom. But it wasn't an actor at an audition.

Maybe he was a trainee manager for a chain of chemists or a young insurance salesman. Might have been good at that.

But no. He wasnt a trainee anything.

He hadn't just graduated.

He had not just been turned down to play in the kallige football team.

Who was he?

He was Ryan.

Ryan who?

Dunno.

Private Ryan? Could be.

But Ryan he was.

What did he say?

Dunno. I just could not focus on anything he said. Was it some sort of oral exam? If it was, he failed.

But this I was told. There are real grown up people in America who actually look UP to this kid. I mean people who drive cars and rope cattle (or whatever Floridinians do) actually look UP to this boy and want him to be....
wait for it .....
they want him to be their ....

I said 'wait for it'

They want him to be their vice president!

Who needs Bill Maher? Who needs Jon Stewart? Who needs David Letterman? You have Ryan!
Ryan the saviour.

Ryan the f*ckin' vice president of the USA. LOL oh excuse me... LOL LOL LOL

Thats quite funny......Poor Ryan......here he running for VP of the worlds most powerful nation on earth....and you ?

You're just and asshole failure by comparison....a nobody....and you ridicule the man.....
That makes you even smaller as a person and as important as whale shit in the vast vast ocean....

Yes, yes.....quite funny....

 

[NOVA]

So much of what Ryan said doesn't stand up to fact-checking but that won't stop idiots from voting Romney/Ryan. Just a sample:

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.
Your reply ignores the accusation.....Obama DID cut 716,000,000,000 dollars from Medicare.....thats the contention and thats pure FACT....

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.
___
RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

The question is not who voted for or against the stimulus....the question is how is was used....
One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.

And to prevent your own state from taking part in the stimulus just to spite the Dems would be stupid in the extreme
___


RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

Again, its HOW the money is used....not the fact that it was spent
___
RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.

Obama doing nothing is what he does best......he didn't even see fit to meet with them to compare ideas or debate remedies....
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...Ryan-s-factual-shortcuts-in-convention-speech

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Your OB is a failure....

 

[Rune]

Hey low... just curious... how old must one be before becoming a 'man' in your deluded world?

Side note: Kennedy was 43 when elected PRESIDENT
Obama was 47 when elected PRESIDENT

Ryan would be 43 when taking office.

What is your point?

You are comparing ryan to Kennedy? LMFAO.
You are comparing ryan to Obama? LMFAO.

You open your mouth at all lately, LMFAO

 

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What is your point?

You are comparing ryan to Kennedy? LMFAO.
You are comparing ryan to Obama? LMFAO.

You open your mouth at all lately, LMFAO

Since you are obviously not bright enough to comprehend, allow me to explain it to you. Low was calling Ryan a 'boy'. Ryan is 42. I was comparing Ryan's AGE to the AGE of Kennedy when he was elected PRESIDENT and to Obama's AGE when he was elected PRESIDENT.

Hopefully this clears it up for you and any other moron out there.

 

[CanceledB]

Top Ten Paul Ryan Lies


1. Ryan blamed the US credit rating downgrade on President Obama. But it was caused by the Republican Congress's threat not to raise the debt ceiling. That is, the fault for the credit rating downgrade from AAA to AA belongs with... Paul Ryan.

2. Ryan continues to claim that President Obama said business owners did not build their own businesses. Obama said that business owners benefit from government infrastructure and programs, which they did not build. No small business owner has built an inter-state highway or bridge, but those are the means whereby their goods get to market. Ryan's (and the GOP's) talking point in this regard is a typical Karl Rove Big Lie, and among an informed electorate it ought to discredit them.

3. Ryan depicted Obamacare as virtually a turn to Soviet-style totalitarianism, as incompatible with liberal freedoms for the individual. But the logical conclusion is that Ryan's running mate, Mitt Romney, turned Massachusetts into a Gulag.

4. Ryan slammed President Obama for not implementing the deficit-cutting measures recommended by the Simpson-Bowles commission. But he himself voted against Simpson-Bowles.

5. Ryan keeps attacking Prsident Obama's stimulus program now. But in 2002 when then President George W. Bush proposed stimulus spending, Ryan supported it. "What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan told MSNBC in 2002. Ryan says that the stimulus had not positive effects, while economists say it saved or created millions of jobs and pulled the US out of a near-Depression.

6. Even more embarrassing, in 2010, Ryan asked for $20 million in stimulus money from Obama for companies in his district, then repeatedly denied requesting stimulus funds. He finally admitted he had done so, but continues to slam the stimulus program as a failure (even though the economy pulled out of a Depression as a result of it).

7. Ryan slammed President Obama for the closure of an auto plant that closed in late 2008 under George W. Bush. Ryan's running mate, Mitt Romney, opposed Obama's actual auto bailout, which was a great success and returned Detroit to profitability.

8. Paul Ryan charges that Barack Obama has 'stolen' $700 billion from medicare for his Obamacare. In fact, these expense reductions do not cut Medicare benefits, and, moreover, Romney and Ryan supported these reductions! The difference is that they would give the savings to the affluent, whereas Obama uses them to cover the presently uninsured.

9. Ryan continues to push his longstanding plans for a steal-from-the-elderly-and-give-to-the-rich medicare plan, which President Obama warned would cost ordinary recipients over $6000 a year extra. Politifact checked and rated Obama's charge as correct, though they noted that the figures referred to CBO analyses of Ryan's last plan, not his 'new' one, which hasn't been subjected to similar analysis. Ryan certainly recently put forward a plan that would cost ordinary people that much extra.

10. Ryan neglected to note that under the tax plan he favors, Gov. Mitt Romney would pay less than 1% in annual federal taxes, highlighting Romney's already low rate compared to ordinary Americans (slightly lower than Ryan's own!) and putting the spotlight back where Ryan's appointment was supposed to misdirect it.

 

[Rune]

Since you are obviously not bright enough to comprehend, allow me to explain it to you. Low was calling Ryan a 'boy'. Ryan is 42. I was comparing Ryan's AGE to the AGE of Kennedy when he was elected PRESIDENT and to Obama's AGE when he was elected PRESIDENT.

Hopefully this clears it up for you and any other moron out there.

Since your thought process is too concrete for you to understand nuance, allow me to explain it to you.

Kennedy was more of a man at 20 than Ryan will be at 50.

Ryan is a boy. Chronological age is not the issue here.

That this would fly right over your head is not surprising.

 

[NOVA]

Since your thought process is too concrete for you to understand nuance, allow me to explain it to you.

Kennedy was more of a man at 20 than Ryan will be at 50.

Ryan is a boy. Chronological age is not the issue here.

That this would fly right over your head is not surprising.

JFK, along with his brothers, were wife cheating whore chasers....nothing more, nothing less.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

JFK, along with his brothers, were wife cheating whore chasers....nothing more, nothing less.

They probably remind Rune of his father, or maybe one of them is his father and that's why he's so proud of them.

 

[christiefan915]

JFK, along with his brothers, were wife cheating whore chasers....nothing more, nothing less.

No kidding. I bet you're awfully relieved that Newt Gingrich or Herman Cain isn't your party's candidate, huh.