Obama: I deserve an incomplete grade on the economy

General Buck Turgidson said:
Yes, I used it in that thread and I said it in this thread. SF in that thread, like you in this thread, was being dishonest.
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wait...you said my use, saying you're splitting hairs, is the refuge of the dishonest. yet, you used it in like fashion. are you dishonest or is this another one of your double standards?
 
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wait...you said my use, saying you're splitting hairs, is the refuge of the dishonest. yet, you used it in like fashion. are you dishonest or is this another one of your double standards?
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I said that the split hairs dodge is the last refuge of the dishonest. I didn't use it as a dodge and actually commented on the substance of what SF was saying and pointed out why he was wrong. You, on the other hand . . .
 
This is the part where a normal person would simply acknowledge his error about what Obama actually said, but Yurt isn't normal so this will devolve into a thread about what I said about what he said.
 
i already explained why you're splitting hairs...so it wasn't a dodge. i used it just how you used it, but we of course are treated to your typical double standards. how in the world can you proclaim that the financial crisis is not tied up with the economy?

as to what he said she said...that happens in virtually all threads. you do it, BAC does it...but somehow it is bad when someone else does it. i am not wrong about what obama said. even your left wing media says the same thing.
 

he clearly is talking about the economy. he refers to 1 year and then three years. to claim he was only talking about the immediate financial problem is ludicrous beyond belief.
 
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i already explained why you're splitting hairs...so it wasn't a dodge. i used it just how you used it, but we of course are treated to your typical double standards. how in the world can you proclaim that the financial crisis is not tied up with the economy?
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I didn't proclaim that. I said that the "this" Obama was referring to in the quote was the financial crisis, not the economy. And it's clear from your very own link that my statement is true. Rather than acknowledge you decided to call it "splitting hairs."


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as to what he said she said...that happens in virtually all threads. you do it, BAC does it...but somehow it is bad when someone else does it. i am not wrong about what obama said. even your left wing media says the same thing.
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Yurt, a little self-awareness here would go a long way. In any event, "my left wing media" (Lolers, by the way), doesn't say the same thing. The link that you posted explains why I am right and you are wrong. You just have to actually read it. All of it.
 
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he clearly is talking about the economy. he refers to 1 year and then three years. to claim he was only talking about the immediate financial problem is ludicrous beyond belief.
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They are talking about TARP and the financial crisis, you insufferable shithead.
 
here is the actual text that shows they were in fact talking about the economy:


MATT LAUER: I sat down with the president at the White House for a wide-ranging conversation. First up, the economy. After failing to win a single House Republican vote for his stimulus plan, I asked the president if he's worried about his promise to build bipartisanship in Washington.

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MATT LAUER: It seems like somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 billion to $350 billion in TARP money has already gone out and — and been spent. And — and you're hearing more and more people saying it's going to take much, much more. I'm curious, though, have you heard anyone credible be able to put a real figure on how much it's gonna take to fix us? And B) who can say and this money will work? It will fix the economy?

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PRESIDENT OBAMA: Look, I'm at the start of my administration. One nice thing about — the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I've got four years. And —
MATT LAUER: You're gonna know quickly how people feel —
PRESIDENT OBAMA: — and — and —
MATT LAUER: — about what —
PRESIDENT OBAMA: that's exactly right. And — and, you know, a year from now I think people — are gonna see that — we're starting to make some progress. But there's still gonna be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's gonna be a one-term proposition.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/28975...ple/t/obama-were-suffering-massive-hangover/#

it is clear as day they are talking about the economy.

seriously nigel, must you always have such blinders on?
 
enough said:
here is the actual text that shows they were in fact talking about the economy:


MATT LAUER: I sat down with the president at the White House for a wide-ranging conversation. First up, the economy. After failing to win a single House Republican vote for his stimulus plan, I asked the president if he's worried about his promise to build bipartisanship in Washington.

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MATT LAUER: It seems like somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 billion to $350 billion in TARP money has already gone out and — and been spent. And — and you're hearing more and more people saying it's going to take much, much more. I'm curious, though, have you heard anyone credible be able to put a real figure on how much it's gonna take to fix us? And B) who can say and this money will work? It will fix the economy?

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PRESIDENT OBAMA: Look, I'm at the start of my administration. One nice thing about — the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I've got four years. And —
MATT LAUER: You're gonna know quickly how people feel —
PRESIDENT OBAMA: — and — and —
MATT LAUER: — about what —
PRESIDENT OBAMA: that's exactly right. And — and, you know, a year from now I think people — are gonna see that — we're starting to make some progress. But there's still gonna be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's gonna be a one-term proposition.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/28975...ple/t/obama-were-suffering-massive-hangover/#

it is clear as day they are talking about the economy.

seriously nigel, must you always have such blinders on?
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Your dishonesty is boundless. I mean, first you quote Matt Lauer introducing the interview instead of the actual interview. Then you quote a question from Matt Lauer and edit out Obama's response to that question and then follow it up with Obama's response to another, different question. Jesus.

For those keeping score at home, here is the transcript with the portions that Yurt omitted in bold:

MATT LAUER: I sat down with the president at the White House for a wide-ranging conversation. First up, the economy. After failing to win a single House Republican vote for his stimulus plan, I asked the president if he's worried about his promise to build bipartisanship in Washington.

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PRESIDENT OBAMA: Oh, listen, it's only been ten days. People have to recognize that it's going to take some time for trust to be built, not only between Democrats and Republicans but between Congress and the White House, between the House and the Senate. You know, we've had a dysfunctional political system for a while now.

MATT LAUER: You — you were pretty agitated this past week when the news broke of these Wall Street bonuses paid out in 2008 even as some of the firms that paid them out had their hands out looking for

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Right.

MATT LAUER: for federal assistance. And is — is there some way — is there an audit under way right now or can there be an audit that takes place to make sure that none of the taxpayers' money —

MATT LAUER: goes to anything but stabilizing these firms?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: That's what I've asked my Treasury Secretary to do, to put together a clear set of guidelines. If a bank or a financial institution is getting relief, then they've got to abide by certain conditions.

MATT LAUER: The American people might worry that the bailout, you know, could be off course because if the money's going to people who simply are out of touch, it's not a confidence builder.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Right. Well, and that's why it's my job as president and Congress's job to make sure that there's some rules of the road that people are gonna abide by, and that we've got transparency and accountability. But this stuff is being posted. And one of the things that we're gonna do is put together an independent board on the recovery package —

MATT LAUER: Right.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: that actually looks at these programs and the money before it goes out the door.

MATT LAUER: It seems like somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 billion to $350 billion in TARP money has already gone out and — and been spent. And — and you're hearing more and more people saying it's going to take much, much more. I'm curious, though, have you heard anyone credible be able to put a real figure on how much it's gonna take to fix us? And B) who can say and this money will work? It will fix the economy?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Here — here's what I've heard — from a range of economists acro — across the political spectrum. The banks, because of mismanagement, because of huge risk taking, are now in very vulnerable positions. We can expect that we're gonna have to do more to shore up the financial system. We also are gonna have to make sure that we set up financial regulations so that not only does this never happen again, but you start having some sort of — trust in how the credit markets work again.

MATT LAUER: Right.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I do have confidence that we're gonna be able to get it right. But it's not gonna be overnight. And there's no silver bullets to this. The fact of the matter is, is that we are suffering from a massive hangover from a binge of risk taking.

MATT LAUER: And it's still getting worse.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: And that's still getting worse. And it's gonna take some time for us to be able to dig ourselves out of this hole.

MATT LAUER: Are you planning in the near future to announce an idea that will buy up the toxic debt from the balance sheets of these banks with perhaps a so-called bad bank? And if so, what do you think that could cost? ’Cause Chuck Schumer came out and said since we don't really know what those debts are worth, this could cost $4 trillion.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No, it — we're not gonna be spending $4 trillion worth of taxpayer money. It's conceivable that we have more — not only is it conceivable, it is likely that the banks have not fully acknowledged all the losses that they're gonna experience. They're gonna have to write down those losses. And some banks won't make it. Other banks — are gonna make sure that — we strengthen. All deposits are gonna be — safe for ordinary people. But we're gonna have to wring out some of these bad assets. And —

MATT LAUER: Are you gonna set up a bad bank or —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well —

MATT LAUER: — it would be called?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah, well — I — I don't wanna preempt an announcement next week. And there's a lot of technical aspects to it. And if I — say — that we're doing one thing. then the markets might interpret it differently from what it ends up being. But the basic principle that we're gonna have to see some of this debt written down, that the government is gonna have to support some banks, that others that are not — not viable, essentially that we're gonna have to — do something with those assets,

MATT LAUER: At some point will you say, "Wait a minute, we've spent this amount of money. We're not seeing the results. We've got to change course dramatically?"

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Look, I'm at the start of my administration. One nice thing about — the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I've got four years. And —

MATT LAUER: You're gonna know quickly how people feel —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: — and — and —

MATT LAUER: — about what —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: that's exactly right. And — and, you know, a year from now I think people — are gonna see that — we're starting to make some progress. But there's still gonna be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's gonna be a one-term proposition.
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Unreal.
 
nothing changes that they were talking about the economy. lauer says it twice, and says their first issue is the economy...in fact, right before the segment lauer specifically asks whether it will fix the economy....then...immediately after obama's one term answer....he switches the topic and clearly says so. the entire conversation up to that point was about the economy and of course TARP and the financial crisis would be discussed under the economy.

there is nothing dishonest about what i posted. why don't you show us where they stopped talking about the economy and said they were talking about a different subject.

the only "unreal" is your hack goggles.

the switch:

MATT LAUER: Let me go on quickly, if I can, to some other subjects. You signed an executive order in your first week that says you'll close the military detention —
 
enough said:
wait...you said my use, saying you're splitting hairs, is the refuge of the dishonest. yet, you used it in like fashion. are you dishonest or is this another one of your double standards?
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Well lookie here...Yurt, who likes to whine about "others" derailing threads and making them about posters...

...has DERAILED this thread with his petty personal attacks on General Buck.

Nice job staying on topic Yurt!!

Yurt...the very DEFINITION of "two-faced".
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Your dishonesty is boundless. I mean, first you quote Matt Lauer introducing the interview instead of the actual interview. Then you quote a question from Matt Lauer and edit out Obama's response to that question and then follow it up with Obama's response to another, different question. Jesus.

For those keeping score at home, here is the transcript with the portions that Yurt omitted in bold:




Unreal.
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But so very Yurt.

Unreal and real dishonest.
 
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