Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?

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Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?

  • Yes, in spite of Obama

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • No, because of Obama

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, because of Obama

    Votes: 6 60.0%

  • No, because of Obama

    Votes: 1 10.0%

  • Can't remember

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    10
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PostmodernProphet said:
all highly speculative.....grandma may or may not still have been denied healthcare......your neighbor might be in Afghanistan......GM might have been in better shape if it had gone through bankruptcy and shed its pension debt; taxpayers would certainly have been.....all the folks that got stimulus jobs were let go the next year when there wasn't anymore stimulus money; meanwhile fewer people are working today than there were when Obama took office....
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and a meteor could have crashed into the Atlantic and killed us all... but it didn't..

What's there to speculate about.. all of this did happen.

-Can anyone with a preexisting condition get healthcare? yes
-Can parents keep their adult kids on their policy while that adult kid was still in school? yes
-Did GM close? no..
-Is Iraq at an end? yes
-Is OBL dead and Al Q reduced to inconsequential? yes.
-Did people did keep their jobs because of the stimulus? yes
-Did the Dow stop it's fall?
-Are we still losing 750,000 jobs a month? No
-Did the last of the banks crumble like Lehman and the others? No
-are banks loaning money again. Yes.

These are things that did actually happen. Speculation would be, what more could have been accomplished if the entire Republican party had made making this country work again their number one goal instead of jamming up the process in the hopes of screwing the American people so bad they'd blame it all on Obama in 2012..

this bizarre idea that Obama can't have any credit is what ironically discredits everyone on the right. It's ok to acknowledge the progress and still not agree with a person's ideas..

we don't know if McCain would have done it any differently and whether that way would have been better. The only thing we do know, the only thing we're positive about is that compared to what it was in the fall of 08 and on into 09, we're definitely better off today..
 
The question should be whether the nation is better off, not you personally. However, there are a great many who are personally not better off. Stagnant wages as prices rise at the grocery store, that inflation offset by the fact that your house lost 40% of its value. Yeah, the "cost of housing" is figured by how much your house would sell for, not by how much you actually pay for it and therefore actual inflation at the grocery store is offset and inflation rates remain in single figures... all because you lost 40% of your personal wealth.

The reality is every day people can buy less because they simply make the same while prices went up. Remember how Obama was going to ensure that college costs went down? They didn't. Remember when he said he'd halve the deficit in his first four years? (yeah, he said that while he also said we were in the worst recession since the Great Depression so it isn't because he didn't realize it was a bad economy). He didn't. Remember when he told us to inflate our tires? Whew... that saved us.

And now, like a Gilligan's Island rerun, he's trotting out the exact same speeches from 2008, absolutely nothing he promised came to fruition so they all can still be used, the only difference is this time he'd be "inheriting" his own mess. Like the professor on the island, he can think up a way to get NASA's main priority to be making Muslims feel good, but he can't seem to fix the gaping hole in the side of the SS Economy to get us off this island.
 
Bijou said:
You're just waaay too easy, retard. With all your christ-y whack-speak and your chucky avatar. Tell us again why calling someone a 'prick' is the Christian way.
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as I recall, I called you a bitch, not a prick......now, unless you want this to turn into a full contact debate, I suggest you back the fuck off.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
as I recall, I called you a bitch, not a prick......now, unless you want this to turn into a full contact debate, I suggest you back the fuck off.....
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Retard, you called Legion a 'prick', not me. Try to keep up. If you can't take the heat of my posts, feel free to put me on 'ignore', crybaby.

And retard - what's a 'full contact debate' on a message board? Sounds like fun, even if only in one's wild imagination....

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Bijou said:
Retard, you called Legion a 'prick', not me. Try to keep up. If you can't take the heat of my posts, feel free to put me on 'ignore', crybaby.

And retard - what's a 'full contact debate' on a message board? Sounds like fun, even if only in one's wild imagination....
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why should I put the baby-butcherer on ignore?.....I like to point out why you're a spot-on fucking idiot.....
 
The Dude said:
Weakest recovery ever
But I'm way better off
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I don't know about "ever" but it is a weak recovery but it is a recovery. What frustrates me is Repelicans want to go back to the same old failed policies that got us into the shithole in the first place. I'm not exactly inspired here.

Having said that my household income has gone up by about 30g since since 2008 so I'm definately better off financially. I can't accuraetly gauge though how much federal fiscal policy affected that.
 
consagainromney said:
4 years ago the stock market was in free fall
4 years ago we were losing almost a million jobs a month
4 years ago the Auto Industry was about to fall into bankruptcy
4 years ago folks with pre-existing conditions could be turned down by health insurance companies
4 years ago american soldiers were dying in Iraq
4 years ago Osama bin Laden was making plans to kill americans
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Excellent summary.
 
Damocles said:
The question should be whether the nation is better off, not you personally. However, there are a great many who are personally not better off. Stagnant wages as prices rise at the grocery store, that inflation offset by the fact that your house lost 40% of its value. Yeah, the "cost of housing" is figured by how much your house would sell for, not by how much you actually pay for it and therefore actual inflation at the grocery store is offset and inflation rates remain in single figures... all because you lost 40% of your personal wealth.

The reality is every day people can buy less because they simply make the same while prices went up. Remember how Obama was going to ensure that college costs went down? They didn't. Remember when he said he'd halve the deficit in his first four years? (yeah, he said that while he also said we were in the worst recession since the Great Depression so it isn't because he didn't realize it was a bad economy). He didn't. Remember when he told us to inflate our tires? Whew... that saved us.

And now, like a Gilligan's Island rerun, he's trotting out the exact same speeches from 2008, absolutely nothing he promised came to fruition so they all can still be used, the only difference is this time he'd be "inheriting" his own mess. Like the professor on the island, he can think up a way to get NASA's main priority to be making Muslims feel good, but he can't seem to fix the gaping hole in the side of the SS Economy to get us off this island.
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Whelp, that's been going on for over 30 years now Damo, with one blip duruing the Clinton administration. Republican "supply side" fiscal policy is largely to blame and has failed our nation utterly.
 
Bijou said:
You're just waaay too easy, retard. With all your christ-y whack-speak and your chucky avatar. Tell us again why calling someone a 'prick' is the Christian way.

:rofl2:
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Well; it goes so well with you, seeing as how you're acting like a cunt.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Whelp, that's been going on for over 30 years now Damo, with one blip duruing the Clinton administration. Republican "supply side" fiscal policy is largely to blame and has failed our nation utterly.
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Complete nonsense.

It is the repeal of Glass Steagall that led to the downfall. It was a weak dollar policy and low interest rate policy that led to the housing bubble.

It had nothing to do with supply side fiscal policy. The boom from 1983 to 2000 shows that to be true. (can't help but notice that there was a strong dollar policy for the bulk of those years)
 
FactsRStubborn said:
OK. Why don't you tell us precisely in policy terms what B. Hussein Yobabymama did to make the S&P go up? There is a reason for the rise of the S&P. I am just wondering if you really know what it is. Or in you silly mind is it "Oblahblah good. GOP bad. Mongo likey democrat no likey repubwican"
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Did I say Obama made the S&P go up?

Since you admit that it has, where does that leave the argument that Obama ruined the economy?
 
FactsRStubborn said:
I said the S&P went up. I didn't credit OWEcolostomybag. You would have to understand finance to get it. You obviously do not
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How did the S & P go up, if Obama is a business-hating Socialist whose policies are ruining the economy?
 
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