Althea;1073697[QUOTE said:
We agree about medicinal uses....but glaucoma isn't cured by weed. It only lessens the discomfort. And it should be recategorized if what you say is true.
It reduces interocular pressue as well as RX. drugs, without side effects. But Rx. drugs are longer lasting. Who knows the ultimate potential, sorry my words are sloppy on that lasts post, i'm beat down tired -wanted to try to reply tonight ,so...........
Go after porly run clinics, give the states time to set there standadrs -this just worked it way thru the CA Supreme Court.
L. ANGELES, Sept. 8, 2012 — Long Beach Municipal Code Chapter 5.89, a city law banning all medical cannabis collectives, was deemed preempted by state law and invalid by a Los Angeles Superior Court judge.
In early July, 2012, the Ca. Second District Court of Appeal struck-down Los Angeles County Code section 22.56.196(B), a ban of all collectives similar to LBMC 5.89. In an order dated August 17, 2012, in Victoria Pappas v. City of Long Beach, LASC No. BC484645, Judge James R. Dunn wrote, “LBMC Chapter 5.89 is virtually identical to LACC 22.56.196(B) and is therefore preempted by state law.” Matthew Pappas, attorney for Victoria Pappas, his daughter and plaintiff in the case, said “The Judge’s decision properly reflects the law in California and protects patients like Tori from discriminatory laws like 5.89.”
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1112689964/long-beach-city-ban-on-medical-marijuana-found-to-be/
There are some things weed works very well for. Others, not so well. Regardless, my point is that there are thousands and thousands of scammers on both sides of the doctor's desk. Those people are making it harder for the real patients to obtain 'legal' weed.
I still don't see the problem. There's a ton of weed to be had, at much cheaper prices than the dispensaries
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There isn't the variey a good dispensary can offer you, and even a consultation. Patients can't grow different strains, not even co-opts -it takes growers to provide enough quantity to supply CA dispensarys. Dispensaries give constant easy acces,and the right type of cannibus for the patient to choose.
Yea...the guy in Cal. claims to get paranoid in crowds, so he gets the right to buy 2 ounces/month
Give me a fuckin break.
.What I'm denying, is that there was a valid reason for the jump in medical marijuana use after Obama's inauguration.
The rise in use is 2 fold, a more secure (past) feeling that dispesarys can operate without draconian Fed'l 'oversight' - remember growers ar legitimately needed for supply.
I am not so stupid not to agree with you here also that a good portion is the fact that more access would lead to more diversion, I have to agree on this .
The efficacy of mm isn't hard to research. If you read the Wiki link, you'll see that many cities in Cal. actually said that local weed laws must comply with fed. laws. That was meant to keep the dispensaries/growers out of the area. These cities are within their rights to do so, and it gives the feds the right to crack down.
Then what is the point to even have a dispensary system? Fed'l law prohibits distribution, or possession. Period. As to growers, the cities can ban them, but if they do, there won't be enough for legimate supply t opatients.
The Dispensary rely on big growers to supply them.
gets hard to find, is the data that illustrates the jump in mm use since Obama took office, as well as the varied methods the doctors/patients use to scam the system.
There are pages of people bitching about Obama's supposed lies, and I simply don't have the time to get to the facts buried underneath.
Bottom line....Obama called for medical marijuana to be regulated the way other drugs are. That isn't happening. It's a revolving door between the docs, and the dispensaries
.Unclear( might be i'm tired).
Obama promised not to go after individuals,yes. The
Ogden Memo was the operating policy.
In it, Ogden announced that federal prosecutors “should not focus federal resources . . . on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana.” Thus, if a state permits individuals to grow their own marijuana for personal medical use, DOJ would not prosecute them. The memo also announced that federal officials should not focus on people who provide marijuana to patients in compliance with state law — prosecuting “those caregivers in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state law who provide such individuals with marijuana, is unlikely to be an efficient use of limited federal resources.”
Again the "revolving door is how CA chooses to set it up -other states do not, and standards are chilling DE. implementation.
This is what I'm saying. You continue to fault Obama for this. Although...I don't buy the bullshit about crime increasing. But I've seen videos of kids leaving the dispensary, and smoking with friends in the parking lot.
And the weed is about $600/ounce...twice street value. Still not enough to make me believe that kids are stealing to pay for weed.
The issue is that less than an ounce of illegal weed is still a minor infraction in many states. Are you willing to put scammers in jail, in order to keep the patients who need it in a position to get it?
Obama isn't
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Obama/Holder/Dea -all one and the same are making it more difficult for patients to get their MM - great, no federal charges for possession, but if Fed policy shuts down clinics....which is my concern, so patients do not have to be exposed to street buys, sick ppll should have access.
My argument here rests only in your insistence that:
Obama lied (he didn't)
Other than that, you're preaching to the choir
Ok I'll drop the "lie -to end this between us, we'll say he "clarifyed" as he calls it.
I don't give a shit about Obama's reputation, just his actions by using the Cole memo rather then the HUMANE Ogden memo.
The proof that the Cole memo is a disaterous shift, is it has derailed any confidence in landlords to rent to dispensarys, growers to supply, and dispensarys to open up as private business.
Whatever the heck you wanna call Obama's chess move -it scrambled the board to an incoherent mess, that it has to be reset.
Because nobody knows where this is going, except for more letters of threat to seize landlord propperty by the RICO letters.(USDA)
Sativex is just the beginning, it is big pharmas attemp to use the cannibinoids, but patent the formulations. More formulations = more an longer patent rights.
There are legal ways to change the system. Trying to skirt fed. laws via bogus doctors isn't the way to do it. If that many people were that angry, we'd hear about it this election year
No you won't "hear it during an elction year" Ryans statement, and his aides "clarification"( that word again), was a 2 day story at best.
The problems of closure of the dispensarys, are not going to be heard during election year din.
The fact is, anyone who wants weed has it. There is no shortage of pot in this country.
ad hoc consctuctive
His Justice Dept. is busting up innocent dispensaries for no reason, save for the future of Sativex.
Obama called for strict regulation. The current system is anything but strict. There's a lot of work to be done yet.
Obama called for regulaton by state law -at least in the Ogden memo, that was his opening move as POTUS.
The current system is under construction, the best thing the Fed's can do is STAY OUT OF IT WHILE THE STATES 'CLARIFY' THEIR PROCEEDURES.
This is all new, whilethe system did allow too much diversion, it was a working system. Now it's blanketed to Death with fear and paper closures.
Underground market costs less, and the quality is just as good. Why do the growers vote against legalization?
you know more about growers then i do..beats me.
Damn....at least you know about it. I remember the last time you had to treat.
I ( a congractor, or friends)gotta tear out ALL the fucking drywall behing the shower, and possible along a seperation wall, with a bath in the other bedroom.
The drywall isn't Greenwall, it's not even up to code( it was 22 years agao) and it's saturated.
The fucking tile started to fall in, and down on me in the shower, the grout just gave way. I could have been cut by fallling ceramic tile. It's going to take days, and at least a grand -maybe more.
Fucking Buggy Florida.
