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Obama: Egypt isn't an ally...
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lmao...you're comparing this to a mortgage? did bush purchase the bust? did bush have to make payments for the bust? did obama?
Likely because of the stupid "Romney said they weren't ready!" crap. He didn't say that, but Obama himself promotes the nonsense. Basically, what you are saying is that what is good for the Goose shouldn't be touched by the Gander.
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Let's recap, he returned the bust dismissing a kind offer from a very close ally, then proceeds to pretend that saying, "We'll see." is "insulting an ally"...
Yeah, I'd say your instant partisan apologia is apparent. While Obama is out there promoting his supposedly perfect foreign policy and diplomacy, using minutiae against his opponent, this stuff is absolutely going to come up. iPods for the Queen, returning a bust offered kindly by an ally, DVDs that don't work... Insults to allies who could be on the brink of moving to the other side of that coin... If it didn't matter, Obama wouldn't be trying to use it against an opponent.
No, you're an apologist for regurgitating the "loan was over and they gave it back" nonsense, it was clear that they wanted us to have that honor, but Obama didn't care for it.
I'd have a lot more respect for you (read: some respect, albeit an extremely negligible amount) if you just said that the Churchill bust wasn't a gift as you claimed. Really, I would.
But the loan was over and they did give it back. And it wasn't a "gift" as you claimed. In fact, the bust that was really a gift remains at the White House.
Okay, kind loan, and "rejected the offer of the honor of keeping it" should have been used. It doesn't change that your first suggestion, like that WH guy, that it was "just returning the loan" simply wasn't true and is simple apologia. They rejected the offer and sent that bust back. It flat isn't just fabrication, it actually happened and the Brits weren't exactly thrilled (as you could see from the Telegraph story I linked to).
Basically, your argument is semantics, mine is pointing out something that actually happened and that you tried to dismiss as entirely false.
Actually, it is true. The loan ended. And I don't know that the Brits gave a shit, really. The most you can say from the story that you linked to is that the Torygraph reporter and his editors pretended to be upset, which isn't surprising.
Again, the loan was extended, Obama simply decided he didn't care for it, and yeah, they cared. What isn't surprising is your attempt to continue to spew the talking points over information.
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not at all. you made a logical fallacy by trying to compare the bust loan to a mortgage loan. one is a gift loan (eg, no debt), the other is for profit loan (eg, debt). the loan is a temporary use grant, not at all like a mortgage.
obviously this is way over your pay grade.
No, the loan ended. The Brits offered to extend the loan and Obama said no thanks. That's a whole different ball of wax from what you claimed, sir. And I still haven't seen any evidence to suggest that officials in the British government really gave a shit and I'm sure as hell not going to take the word of the Torygraph article that flirts with the Obama as Kenyan post-colonialist nonsense.
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such an intelligent and in depth rebuttal of my points.
i'll take that as you know you're wrong. you always resort to lame one liners and run away from the discussion when you know you're wrong. thanks.
What, exactly, am I wrong about here, Yurt? You seem to think that the difference between a loan and a gift is mere semantics. I respectfully disagree.
No, it really isn't. Since it was exactly what I was talking about. What you said was that they "had" to return it, along with a bunch of other stuff, but in reality they didn't and chose to do so. It is what the Brits were unhappy about. This from the guy who sits quietly by while Obama pretends that Mitt's remarks about how a country that gets behind the games can really make it work well was somehow an insult. Seriously, the pretense in this thread from the left has been very revealing. We know what they don't want to talk about and how they are going to present their own version of events over what actually happened.
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if you had answered my questions above, you would know why you're wrong. you are wrong to compare it to a mtg. in this case, it is semantics. the loan did not expect payment, it was freely loaned for temporary use. that could be considered a gift type loan, as no payment was expected in return.
but i can understand why you need to nitpick such tiny details, anything to avoid that obama could have kept it.
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I wonder what the reaction from the righties would've been had Obama said that Egypt is an ally.