Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters

christiefan915 said:
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Those are of course adjusted for cost of living... right?
 
christiefan915 said:
This topic was well worth posting, just to see the hissy fits from our fact-challenged rabid righties. :D
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In all honesty, I'm frustrated the GOP didn't field a qualified candidate who would actually bring intelligent and pragmatic solutions to the table. Someone like a Jon Huntsman and Barak Obama really talking about issues and solutions... Why can't we move our country and general elections toward that ideal, and just leave the bases to fight amongst themselves?

The Right Wing media and punditry have painted President Obama as some sort of leftist extremist. Intelligent people paying attention know that President Obama has been mostly right of center, moderate, on fiscal issues. The ACA is very business friendly. Blue Cross/Blue Shield can't wait for 2014. They have restructured and retooled their business model, getting ready to offer new policies at competitive rates. However, the medicaid entitlement section of the ACA needs drastic rethinking--IMO.

When I hear the Obama campaign accuse Romney of wanting to end medicare as we know it, I think, "Good." Medicare as we know it needs to end. An insurance fund that exclusively takes on clients who visit the doctor more frequently, need more prescription medication, and will require expensive end of life care is a failing business model. We need a compassionate program that covers basic care and hospice care for seniors who can't afford it. A safety net needs to be big enough to catch those that are falling. But we should consider automatic opt-out mechanisms that kick in for seniors retiring with substantial government or private pensions and health insurance.

Back in the mid-80's, President Reagan realized that if we don't raise taxes on those that can afford to take the hit (those that benefited the most from the mostly stable markets), then we all go down. When you move manufacturing off shore, work forces don't transition over night. And a small percentage of a laid off work force will NEVER transition. We continue to play a version of musical chairs that removes two chairs and then puts one back later in the game. As the manufacturing work force transitions to lower paying jobs in service industries or Starbucks, middle-income tax revenue slowly disappears. Under Bush we lowered all taxes and cut capital gains taxes, WHILE entering into two wars, starting a new major government security agency HLS, and continued to gut manufacturing. WTF were we thinking?!!

Had Obama and the Dem majority in 2009 raised taxes in a recession, history shows us we would have plummeted into an economic depression. But real austerity means raising taxes.
 
hazlnut said:
Try to wrap your tiny head around this concept: It's not President Obama who is provoking class warfare. Mitt Romney telling half the people in this country that he doesn't care about them, he does't care about seniors, veterans, poor families, handicapped, or anyone who lost their job because of economic conditions beyond their control.
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actually, you just did......
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Well, the far right is getting the campaign that it wanted. Let's see how this shakes out. Personally, I don't see the benefit to bitching about working poor people and old retirees sucking on the government teat by not paying taxes (the irony of the attack is quite rich coming from Romney, but set that aside for a moment) but we'll see how it plays.
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But they sucking on the teat. They aren't paying taxes. That is true. It may be a painful truth for you to hear but it is true.
 
I pay taxes, much more than most people, and I am voting for President Obama.
 
But wait - there's more!

Romney Surrogate: 47% Remark Was Intended For ‘Business People’ | On Tuesday morning, former Maryland Gov. Bob Ehrlich (R) was one of the few Mitt Romney surrogates to discuss the recently uncovered video showing the former Massachusetts governor referring to 47 percent of Americans as “victims” and “dependent upon government.” During an appearance on MSNBC, Ehrlich explained that the inarticulate comments as remarks “to a bunch of business people about tax cuts because these folks care about tax cuts.” “When you’re human, you make comments,” he explained. “When you’re off the record, at a private event, you are less careful than when you are at a public event.” He went on to say that the statements are “unimportant” to “what really matters to people.”
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Mitt has no regrets about what he said.

COSTA MESA, Calif. — Republican Mitt Romney says a video clip in which he said that nearly half of Americans think they are "victims" was "not elegantly stated." But he says President Barack Obama's approach is "attractive to people who are not paying taxes."

Romney spoke to reporters Monday evening in a hastily called news conference after the emergence of a video in which the GOP presidential nominee told donors that almost half of American voters "believe that they are victims."

The Republican nominee did not disavow the comments but said they were made during a question-and-answer session. He said it was indicative of his campaign's effort to "focus on the people in the middle."

The website of the magazine Mother Jones posted a video of Romney's comments from a private fundraiser.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-47-percent_n_1892227.html
 
FactsRStubborn said:
But they sucking on the teat. They aren't paying taxes. That is true. It may be a painful truth for you to hear but it is true.
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So retired people who paid into the system their working lives (and whom Mitt Romney has said should not have their benefits cut) are moochers on the government's teat? OK. That ought to work out well for Romney.

And working people who don't earn enough money to have an income tax liability that are on the government teat by keeping their money and not paying it to the government? By that measure anyone who takes any deductions or tax credits is a moocher, and most of the tax expenditure budget, as you ought to know, flows not to the 46% who have no income tax liability, but to middle to upper income earners. So by your standard higher income people are even bigger moochers than the 46%.
 
fucknut said:
Paraphrasing what he said: That retired citizens who paid for medicare their entire working lives are just a bunch layabouts who don't take personal responsibly.

This tired GOP talking point playing on the words 'income tax' and taxes is further proof this smug, sneering plutocrat with NEVER become President.
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Here's the problem, Romney didn't say anything remotely close to this, and he didn't speak in code, as some idiots claim. He said precisely what he said, (that's why he chose the words). You can't really make any political hay out of what he actually said, so you pull this typical dishonest liberal tactic of "paraphrasing" what he said, and revealing the "code" for what he meant.

The sick pathology goes like this: Romney speaks, doesn't matter what he says, Liberals contort his words into whatever they please and then proceed to repeat a lie about what he said. When challenged, they will then accuse the challenger of being dishonest! It's stunningly ironic, and difficult to believe an entire political party has gone this mentally ill. Still, here is the proof of it!
 
Dixie said:
Here's the problem, Romney didn't say anything remotely close to this, and he didn't speak in code, as some idiots claim. He said precisely what he said, (that's why he chose the words). You can't really make any political hay out of what he actually said, so you pull this typical dishonest liberal tactic of "paraphrasing" what he said, and revealing the "code" for what he meant.

The sick pathology goes like this: Romney speaks, doesn't matter what he says, Liberals contort his words into whatever they please and then proceed to repeat a lie about what he said. When challenged, they will then accuse the challenger of being dishonest! It's stunningly ironic, and difficult to believe an entire political party has gone this mentally ill. Still, here is the proof of it!
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He said it. You can't unring the bell, rube.
 
Dixie said:
Here's the problem, Romney didn't say anything remotely close to this, and he didn't speak in code, as some idiots claim. He said precisely what he said, (that's why he chose the words). You can't really make any political hay out of what he actually said, so you pull this typical dishonest liberal tactic of "paraphrasing" what he said, and revealing the "code" for what he meant.

The sick pathology goes like this: Romney speaks, doesn't matter what he says, Liberals contort his words into whatever they please and then proceed to repeat a lie about what he said. When challenged, they will then accuse the challenger of being dishonest! It's stunningly ironic, and difficult to believe an entire political party has gone this mentally ill. Still, here is the proof of it!
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Here's what he said Dix:

here are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

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My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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The bulk of that 46% are elderly people. So yes, he did say that elderly retired people are layabouts that don't take personal responsibility for their live.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
So retired people who paid into the system their working lives (and whom Mitt Romney has said should not have their benefits cut) are moochers on the government's teat? OK. That ought to work out well for Romney.

And working people who don't earn enough money to have an income tax liability that are on the government teat by keeping their money and not paying it to the government? By that measure anyone who takes any deductions or tax credits is a moocher, and most of the tax expenditure budget, as you ought to know, flows not to the 46% who have no income tax liability, but to middle to upper income earners. So by your standard higher income people are even bigger moochers than the 46%.
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Well said, General, well said.

And let me add... ""Mein Führer! I can walk!";)
 
blackascoal said:
Romney will lose an election that all the history and data shows that he should have won.
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I don't agree with that. SOME of the history and data indicate Romney should win. Not all of it. In fact there's significant data that shows that though most Americans aint exactly thrilled with President Obama's anemic peformance with the economy still most Americans rightfully blame Republicans for putting us into the shit hole in the first place and simply don't trust them. That and demographics have turned the tide on the southern strategy. If Romney loses, and it's looking good that he will, this may damned well be the last time you see the southern strategy used in Presidential politics. It worked well for 30 years but Republican presidental candidates, if Romney loses, will have lost the popular vote in 5 of the last six Presidential elections.
 
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