Tethered to their rapists

[zappasguitar]

some people do. jerks like you are meaningless to me. you never engage in debate, all you do is insult, whine and go off on wild tangents. it is truly hilarious how all you've done is cry about my posts, yet you call me a cry baby.

like i said...irony.

See that?

Another bald faced lie from Yurt. THIS TIME he claims that all Christie has done is cry about Yurt's posts.

Christie did nothing of the sort.

Christie and several others were having a perfectly reasonable discussion until Yurt appeared, dragging the discussion down into the sewer yet again with his standard issue insults.

And all because Yurt's upset that virtually no one here respects him.

 

[zappasguitar]

I'm done with his knuckleheaded comments. He thinks this isn't insulting: "when you lie so often" and "she has not admitted she is wrong." He's pulled this crap for as long as I've been here and I always get sucked back in, but I'm done now.

This past week has been one of the most peaceful, stress free weeks I've ever spent on these boards, and now, within 24 hours of his return, Yurt is right back to the same tired "why do you lie so often" patented thread disruptors that destroyed so many reasonable debates in the past.

 

[cancel2 2022]

some people do. jerks like you are meaningless to me. you never engage in debate, all you do is insult, whine and go off on wild tangents. it is truly hilarious how all you've done is cry about my posts, yet you call me a cry baby.

like i said...irony.

More people would miss you than Bijou, that's for sure. Her contribution to the board is minimal. Do you know that she averages a 1000 posts a month!!

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

More people would miss you than Bijou, that's for sure. her contribution to the board is minimal. Do you know that see averaged a 1000 post a month!!

Probably not - you're the only one who is a big enough LOSER to keep track of other people's monthly stats.

Maybe Damo will give you an unpaid job as the board historian. I bet that would be very exciting for you.

 

[zappasguitar]

More people would miss you than Bijou, that's for sure. Her contribution to the board is minimal. Do you know that she averages a 1000 posts a month!!

Maybe you should conduct a poll just to be certain...

 

[Haiku]

WOW...off the street for FIVE WHOLE YEARS?

I'm sure that's a HUGE relief to the woman who got raped...she's got 5 years to come up with a good alias and hope her attacker doesn't go looking for her.

And so much for your "and when he gets out in like... 2 decades or whatever... by the time he's out the child will probably be of legal age" claim...the kid won't even be in school before the rapist is out.

These men will rape their own kids...

 

[Phantasmal]

Please show me how often it's happened with convicted rapists that have been to jail. I bet it's almost NEVER.

You didn't read the article, did you...

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

You didn't read the article, did you...

no i didn't. i wasn't being facetious. please show me the relevant data. k thanks.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

WOW...off the street for FIVE WHOLE YEARS?

I'm sure that's a HUGE relief to the woman who got raped...she's got 5 years to come up with a good alias and hope her attacker doesn't go looking for her.

And so much for your "and when he gets out in like... 2 decades or whatever... by the time he's out the child will probably be of legal age" claim...the kid won't even be in school before the rapist is out.

so the solution is to not put the guy in jail at all. good plan

also they are sentenced to 12 years on average. for some reason a lot get out on parole after 6. but that's an average, which mean some can easily serve 10+.

my guess is those short times are based on ones that plead out rather than go to trial

 

[Phantasmal]

no i didn't. i wasn't being facetious. please show me the relevant data. k thanks.

There is no available data on the web that I can find, I have looked and apparently no one keeps track of such things.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

See that?

Another bald faced lie from Yurt. THIS TIME he claims that all Christie has done is cry about Yurt's posts.

Christie did nothing of the sort.

Christie and several others were having a perfectly reasonable discussion until Yurt appeared, dragging the discussion down into the sewer yet again with his standard issue insults.

And all because Yurt's upset that virtually no one here respects him.

did i really claim that about christie? are you sure about that? are you sure you want to stick with your claim i lied?

i did have a good discussion with christie until she lied about what i said. i merely informed her of that and she started insulting me and then bijou jumps on the wagon and lo and behold, so do you.

every single response to or about me from you has been nothing but insults since i came back. i didn't start the insults, bijou did and now of course you carry her torch. so who is the one dragging things into the sewer?

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

There is no available data on the web that I can find, I have looked and apparently no one keeps track of such things.

well then . . .

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

You agreed with me UNTIL Grind dropped in with his comment about rape/no rape, then you went right to a snide comment: "so what is christie's point? geeze..that is what i get for not carefully checking her OP. her OP makes it as if the guy is guilty and couple that with her own OP words...i ASSumed."

ok zappa, you claim i brought this down....is her statement true that i agreed with her until grind made his comment?

yes or no.

 

[Phantasmal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nal-visitation-rights-child-article-1.1169145

 

[zappasguitar]

did i really claim that about christie? are you sure about that? are you sure you want to stick with your claim i lied?

you never engage in debate, all you do is insult, whine and go off on wild tangents. it is truly hilarious how all you've done is cry about my posts.

Yes...yes you did make just that claim about Christie...

i did have a good discussion with christie until she lied about what i said. i merely informed her of that and she started insulting me and then bijou jumps on the wagon and lo and behold, so do you.

every single response to or about me from you has been nothing but insults since i came back. i didn't start the insults, bijou did and now of course you carry her torch. so who is the one dragging things into the sewer?

Gee...so you call Christie a liar and then go all thin-skinned on everyone when you get back what you dish out.

Sucks to be you I guess...

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yes...yes you did make just that claim about Christie...





Gee...so you call Christie a liar and then go all thin-skinned on everyone when you get back what you dish out.

Sucks to be you I guess...

let's see, i ask you if your claim is true and that makes me thin skinned. i'm sure you will hold yourself to the same standard.

unfortunately for you, you have once again shown the board you're nothing but a liar. i gave you a chance and you doubled down on your statement. that makes you a liar. if you follow the link, anyone who is honest, can clearly see i was talking to bijou -- not -- christie.

i notice also you didn't answer whether christie's claim was true. why is that?

 

[Don Quixote]

And men wonder why women get angry. How about because the system is stacked against them?

"Chicago lawyer Shauna Prewitt wrote an opinion article for CNN.com detailing how she was raped in college and went on to not only have the resulting child, but fight laws allowing the fathers in these cases to seek "the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy." The story comes after U.S. Rep. Todd Akin's controversial remarks about "legitimate rape" and abortion.

Shauna Prewitt was raped, and nine months later she gave birth to her rapists child. "You see, nine months after my rape, I gave birth to a beautiful little girl. You could say she was conceived in rape; she was. But she is also so much more than her beginnings. I blissfully believed that after I finally had decided to give birth to and to raise my daughter, life would be all roses and endless days at the playground. I was wrong again."

Prewitt's rapist then took her to court and she had to fight him in a custody battle. She learned while researching her case that 31 states do not have laws that prohibit racists from asserting custodial and visitation rights over a child he fathered through rape.

In other words, the rapist exerts control over his victim once again, using the baby produced from the attack as a bargaining chip. His offer, “I’ll leave you alone and let go of the custody thing as long as you don’t try to prosecute me for what I did,” is grotesque, but no doubt very effective. Prewitt says of this dynamic, “it is not surprising that a man who cruelly degrades a woman would also seek to torture her in an even more agonizing way, by seeking access to her child.”



http://www.nowpublic.com/world/men-who-father-through-rape-are-able-have-rights-child-2972549.html


Shawna's article in the Georgetown Law Journal: http://georgetownlawjournal.org/files/pdf/98-3/Prewitt.PDF

this is just wromg, however, rape laws are slowly being changed in the favor of the rapee...too slowly

 

[Don Quixote]

With the decision to have the child the woman should have determined to keep it to herself for the childs sake in my opinion. That isn't something I'd want to saddle a kid with. Maybe an abortion wasn't available to her because I can't imagine anything worse.

there is always the problem of the birth certificate

the state wants to know the name of the father so that if the mother requires state aid, they can go after the father for support

also, if she wants the rapist prosecuted, she has to provide law enforcement officials information about the rapist

 

[USFREEDOM911]

9/27 @ 03:47 PM

this needs to be fixed ASAP.

she shouldn't have to 'fight' anything. the rapist should have zero claim to his issue, just as an heir has zero claim to an inheritance if he is found guilty of murdering the person he was to inherit from. this is really a no brainer.

and really christie...do you think it helps the cause by starting off by saying: and men wonder why women get angry? you know that is about relationship issues, not issues like this.

09/27 @ 05:06 PM

Really, yurt. We've spent many days and threads arguing about how women are still treated like second class citizens in this country. And there's nothing in Prewitt's account where she states she was in a relationship with her attacker.

09/27 @ 05:50 PM

so what is christie's point? geeze..that is what i get for not carefully checking her OP. her OP makes it as if the guy is guilty and couple that with her own OP words...i ASSumed.

09/27 06:00 PM

his post is not off topic.

you made a claim and if your claim, the rape, is not true, your OP has very little merit.

09/27 @ 06:34 PM

Why don't you take it up with Prewitt? Ask her to send her records for your perusal. She says she was raped and I have no reason not to believe her. But not you guys, apparently your knee-jerk reaction is that if a woman says she was raped, she's lying. My claim, as you put it, is that over 30 states have laws in effect that a rapist can ask for custodial rights if a child is born from the assault. My comment about this fact is that nothing could be more hurtful and damaging to a rape victim than to have the courts give custody rights to her attacker. If you think this is fair, just say so. Otherwise stop trying to imply Prewitt is a liar because of the choice she made. Stop missing the forest for the trees.

09/27 @ 06:44

what the fuck is your problem?

i took your OP at face value. and said this needs to stop. SEE my first post in this thread. but do you recognize that? no, you just bitch because i posted something. you need read what people actually say before you make shitty accusations. you can't even see the fact i agreed with you.

you're part of the problem christie. you don't see the content, you see the poster.

09/27 @ 06:50 PM

You agreed with me UNTIL Grind dropped in with his comment about rape/no rape, then you went right to a snide comment: "so what is christie's point? geeze..that is what i get for not carefully checking her OP. her OP makes it as if the guy is guilty and couple that with her own OP words...i ASSumed."

So you're saying that when you responded to him yesterday, at 05:06 PM, that he was going to agree with grind at 05:50 PM and that's why you responded the way you did, after his initial agreement with you.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It's really annoying try to have a debate with someone who's responses are regularly filled with name-calling and hair-splitting. That's why I'm done with this.

So you have finally stopped talking to yourself.