If you vote on principles and conviction, you can't vote for Obama

This is false, otherwise the bill would have had some republican support. It had not one vote.
If the bill is "anything but perfect" it's because this was required to get the needed DEMOCRAT support.
It doesn't cost less, it hasn't cost lesss, it won't cost less. Insurance premiums have risen 30%

It will cost less IF Obama has a chance to make it a full government health care plan. Or a proper combination of government and private. Every country that has implemented some type of government plan saves money. There is not ONE exception. If the US implemented a government plan and it cost more then the US would definitely be known for it's exceptionalism. ;)

Again... WHY ARE WE STILL THERE? You're explaining that the war is bad and it's impossible for us to change them, but the reason we haven't left is because we're still trying to change them!

Their army and Police Force were decimated. The West has been trying to train soldiers and security personnel (Police) to take over but one of the questions is, "Which laws do they enforce?" Western laws? Should they arrest the poppy grower? Should they kill the individuals we consider religious wackos even though they believe those people are keeping God's word? As Hamid Karzai, the President of Afghanistan, said last night the only solution is a political one. War is not the answer.

So, rather than just up and leave the country in tatters the forces are trying (so we're told) to put in place some sort of structure before they leave. Again, this is the kind of mess that results when one tries to change a culture. The kind of mess no one thought about before hand. The kind of mess that inevitably results in civil war.

The war is over. Whether one considers it was won or lost is debatable. Some of the Afghans want the West to stay. Others want them to go. Some like the Western ways. Others do not. The bottom line is it's up to the Afghans to sort it out. We're helping but leaving.

Well when unemployment topped 8%, Obama was sitting in the Oval Office. He has had 4 years to implement virtually any plan he wanted, and nothing he has tried has worked. Common sense dictates you can't vote for Obama because of this.

Hello??? The Repubs have stopped any and all proposals put forward by the Dems.

Uhm... NO HE IS NOT! And you are not asking him WHY?

The troop numbers are winding down.

NO HE DID NOT!

Where were you?

AGAIN.... Why aren't you asking OBAMA??? (BTW, we aren't bombing the government of Afghanistan.)

I know. We decided to change their way of life instead and now we have a HUGE mess. If only the government was taken out the people probably would have thanked us. But noooooo. We had to interfere with the general population and now they're all cranky.

Ah, but he just hasn't lived up to any of them!

Sure he has. He got ObamaCare passed. He brought the troops home from Iraq. Just think of the saved lives right there.
 
But before, you said: The West has screwed up things so much that rather than being looked at as a savior it’s viewed as the devil and while the West is trying to change that perception it just keeps making things worse...

Are we changing perception by sending in drones?
With drone attacks?
What is the purpose of the drones?
By ordering more drone strikes?
Do more drone attacks make them happy or sad, I am confused.
INDEED! Why can't you or your president honestly answer this simple question???

As I said before I'm against involvement in other counrtries unless it's a matter of self-defence.

As for drone attacks there are specific targets. It's not the same as troops and occupying the country. It's not the same as interfering with the entire population. It's not good but it's better than sending in troops.
 
As I said before I'm against involvement in other counrtries unless it's a matter of self-defence.

As for drone attacks there are specific targets. It's not the same as troops and occupying the country. It's not the same as interfering with the entire population. It's not good but it's better than sending in troops.

Or unless your Dear Leader OWEbama is doing it
 
As I said before I'm against involvement in other counrtries unless it's a matter of self-defence.

As for drone attacks there are specific targets. It's not the same as troops and occupying the country. It's not the same as interfering with the entire population. It's not good but it's better than sending in troops.

Okay, so you are a fearful Muslim citizen of one of these countries we're now bombing... would you be more afraid of a team of American soldiers coming in to bring you water, food and flags, (and to shoot the bad guys...) OR... more afraid of the whirring sound of a drone missile targeting your village in the middle of the night? Because to me, it seems that attacking indiscriminately with drones, is probably not the best way to advocate a policy of getting out of their business and leaving them alone.

Again, we are currently targeting civilian populations in 3 other countries besides Iraq and Afghanistan, and I'll bet money that most Democrats can't even name them! Can you? Do you KNOW who's citizens we are killing every day with our drones? Give it a shot, Apple, show us how up to date and informed on current events you are!
 
Okay, so you are a fearful Muslim citizen of one of these countries we're now bombing... would you be more afraid of a team of American soldiers coming in to bring you water, food and flags, (and to shoot the bad guys...) OR... more afraid of the whirring sound of a drone missile targeting your village in the middle of the night? Because to me, it seems that attacking indiscriminately with drones, is probably not the best way to advocate a policy of getting out of their business and leaving them alone.

Again, we are currently targeting civilian populations in 3 other countries besides Iraq and Afghanistan, and I'll bet money that most Democrats can't even name them! Can you? Do you KNOW who's citizens we are killing every day with our drones? Give it a shot, Apple, show us how up to date and informed on current events you are!

Do you want the Fox version or CNN? How about MSNBC? Scott Pelley? Brian Williams?

Jon Stewart? Bill Maher?

Or would you prefer a Canadian perspective and the key word here is "perspective"? http://www.nakednews.com/
 
Do you want the Fox version or CNN? How about MSNBC? Scott Pelley? Brian Williams?

Jon Stewart? Bill Maher?

Or would you prefer a Canadian perspective and the key word here is "perspective"? http://www.nakednews.com/

So you don't even know the other three countries whose citizens we're bombing, but you are confident Obama is on the right track with patching things up over there? After all, it's not really about the bombs and who they kill, it's about keeping it on the QT and simply not acknowledging it. As long as we're not "flaunting" our aggression, then it doesn't really bother those people, and we're making things better... is THAT it?
 
So you don't even know the other three countries whose citizens we're bombing, but you are confident Obama is on the right track with patching things up over there? After all, it's not really about the bombs and who they kill, it's about keeping it on the QT and simply not acknowledging it. As long as we're not "flaunting" our aggression, then it doesn't really bother those people, and we're making things better... is THAT it?

You're close. Flaunting does have a lot to do with it. But the main point you keep forgetting is there are fewer troops involved. That is the starting point and the main point. Fewer troops. Fewer casualities and fewer dollars needed for the military. See how that works?
 
You're close. Flaunting does have a lot to do with it. But the main point you keep forgetting is there are fewer troops involved. That is the starting point and the main point. Fewer troops. Fewer casualities and fewer dollars needed for the military. See how that works?

So the Arabs and Muslims who hate us are okay with drones bombing them, they just don't like troops on the ground? If Obama is making things better, then they must actually like being drone-bombed over there, huh? And as long as we don't have protestors on the Mall in DC, demanding our troops come home, then everything is hunky-dory, and we're minding our own business, right?
 
So the Arabs and Muslims who hate us are okay with drones bombing them, they just don't like troops on the ground? If Obama is making things better, then they must actually like being drone-bombed over there, huh? And as long as we don't have protestors on the Mall in DC, demanding our troops come home, then everything is hunky-dory, and we're minding our own business, right?

It all depends on the individual circumstances. We saw the disaster when we tried to change a culture. Also, when the political landscape is changed and power shifts there is the always the possibility of civil war.

As I've said over and over we can't abruptly change our "mission". There are always consequences to change so it has to be done slowly and Obama is getting it done slowly. A little help here, a little interference there. Like when the Israeli leader asked him to get involved with Iran. He didn't jump up and shout "war"! He said the US would be there if needed and left it like that.

It's called toning it down. There's no need to go on and on about what might happen or what he might do. That is Obama's way and it's a good way. State your position and then drop it! Further conversation is not needed. Bring the troops home and if something arises the troops can get there quick enough.

Make sense?
 
It all depends on the individual circumstances. We saw the disaster when we tried to change a culture. Also, when the political landscape is changed and power shifts there is the always the possibility of civil war.

As I've said over and over we can't abruptly change our "mission". There are always consequences to change so it has to be done slowly and Obama is getting it done slowly. A little help here, a little interference there. Like when the Israeli leader asked him to get involved with Iran. He didn't jump up and shout "war"! He said the US would be there if needed and left it like that.

It's called toning it down. There's no need to go on and on about what might happen or what he might do. That is Obama's way and it's a good way. State your position and then drop it! Further conversation is not needed. Bring the troops home and if something arises the troops can get there quick enough.

Make sense?

No it doesn't because we've not "toned down" anything. We're bombing three more countries we supposedly have no business in, if we go by your principles and convictions. I don't understand this "we can't abruptly change" stuff, what do you mean? We can't stop sending drones into sovereign nations to bomb their citizens? What's the matter with us, can we not stop ourselves from doing that? What are we trying to accomplish, if we're supposed to be leaving them alone to live as they please and minding our own business? I sort of think the people being bombed are not liking it too much, so I can't see that we're winning friendships over there. But that is what you keep claiming Obama is doing... I guess we need Joe Biden's intelligence to explain it to us, because yours is lacking here.
 
I will also take this opportunity to note, it has been posted for two days, and you haven't answered me, pinheads...
What are the three countries the United States is currently conducting aggressive military operations in, besides Afghanistan and Iraq?

Where are all the peace doves, flower children and hippies? Have you not been keeping up with this? It seems like we should have at least ONE poster in two days, who could bother to Google it, if you weren't aware, or something. Nothing? Does Apple not want to even venture a guess? As I said, I bet if they did a poll, they would find that MOST democrats can't name the three countries we're bombing, not including Iraq and Afghanistan. It's as if you are all completely oblivious to this, and I am shocked.

When Bush was president, you would have known, you'd have been posting about it everyday, along with body counts of innocent civilians and horror stories left and right ... Michael Moore doing a new 'documentary' entitled: "Drones Gone Wild!" But with Obama, you are completely unconcerned and aloof. Not only can you not explain why we are bombing, you don't even know WHO we're bombing, and the amazing thing is, YOU DON'T CARE!
 
No it doesn't because we've not "toned down" anything. We're bombing three more countries we supposedly have no business in, if we go by your principles and convictions. I don't understand this "we can't abruptly change" stuff, what do you mean? We can't stop sending drones into sovereign nations to bomb their citizens? What's the matter with us, can we not stop ourselves from doing that? What are we trying to accomplish, if we're supposed to be leaving them alone to live as they please and minding our own business? I sort of think the people being bombed are not liking it too much, so I can't see that we're winning friendships over there. But that is what you keep claiming Obama is doing... I guess we need Joe Biden's intelligence to explain it to us, because yours is lacking here.

State a specific country and the circumstances. Otherwise, you just throw out anything and I don't have the patience to try and pin you down while you wiggle and squirm your way around. What specific country? Who was droned? (Is "droned" a word?)
 
I will also take this opportunity to note, it has been posted for two days, and you haven't answered me, pinheads...
What are the three countries the United States is currently conducting aggressive military operations in, besides Afghanistan and Iraq?

Where are all the peace doves, flower children and hippies? Have you not been keeping up with this? It seems like we should have at least ONE poster in two days, who could bother to Google it, if you weren't aware, or something. Nothing? Does Apple not want to even venture a guess? As I said, I bet if they did a poll, they would find that MOST democrats can't name the three countries we're bombing, not including Iraq and Afghanistan. It's as if you are all completely oblivious to this, and I am shocked.

When Bush was president, you would have known, you'd have been posting about it everyday, along with body counts of innocent civilians and horror stories left and right ... Michael Moore doing a new 'documentary' entitled: "Drones Gone Wild!" But with Obama, you are completely unconcerned and aloof. Not only can you not explain why we are bombing, you don't even know WHO we're bombing, and the amazing thing is, YOU DON'T CARE!

you not explain why we are bombing.....WRONG

you don't even know WHO we're bombing.....WRONG

YOU DON'T CARE!.....WRONG

Unfortunately, three wrongs don't make a right.

Probably the reason you're not getting any replies is because folks know how the conversation is going to go. So, how about you start with a specific country, state the reason you are against the droning and we can take it from there. As you correctly stated a simple Google would inform anyone so that can't be the reason. Could it be they want you to take a specific position/state your case before they waste key strokes?
 
A bold statement indeed, but let's examine the facts. That is, if you aren't afraid to objectively look at the facts. One thing that seems to have changed over the last 4 years is how we determine what is a fact. It used to be, a "fact" was a cold hard truth we had to accept as such, regardless of our personal sentiments. Lately, it seems to be a malleable detail, which can be distorted and transfixed to whatever the prevailing mindset of the moment dictates. Used to be, you were entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts, now you are apparently entitled to your own facts to support your own opinions. Facts are completely customizable, one size rarely fits all. One man's fact is another man's propaganda. "Fact Checkers" have now replaced the old wordsmiths we used to call "Spin Doctors." It lends more credibility to have a 'fact checker' confirm whatever spin you are advancing, and this has almost entirely replaced the age-old custom of research and investigation of details. It allows things that were once considered rumor and innuendo, to be advanced as credible fact, because some 'fact checker' found a way to frame the argument around hearsay or gossip, and through mass media repetition, forged a "fact" from nothing more than thin air and imagination. It's an amazing time we live in, but I digress.

Let's get back to Obama and the election. Most people voted for Obama based on their principles and convictions. You based your vote on the things he said he would do as president, things which were inline with your own principles and convictions. Whether it was an administration that promised to be more transparent, or how to deal with a teetering economy, or how to create jobs and boost recovery, how to provide health care for every American, the spending and debt, or even how we deal with foreign affairs and the war on terror, you based your vote for Obama on his message of "hope and change" and believed this was the man to get America back on the right track.

Almost as soon as Obama took office, his administration began to break the promises made in his campaign. The very reasons you voted for him, were completely ignored, timidly walked back, or explained away as to how they couldn't be delivered because of obstructionist republicans. Of course, Obama did not campaign saying that he wouldn't be able to do all the glorious and wonderful things he had in mind because he wouldn't have a super-majority in Congress, did he? He wasn't up there saying, Look... I have the same principles as you, I don't like keeping terrorists at Gitmo, but there's really nothing else we can do at this point, we have to keep them there! Nope... he said he would close Gitmo within the first year in office. He also promised health care for every American, and lower health care insurance premiums, and that didn't happen either. All along the way, through Obama's first term, we see example after example of failure to deliver on his promises. The very principles and convictions behind "hope and change" which was the basis for your vote and support.

The very principles and convictions of "hope and change" spilled over into things that Obama didn't actually ever promise, but strongly implied by his rhetoric, and it would take weeks of writing to detail all of these, as his campaign was literally flying from one campaign stop to another, making bold promises targeted at that particular demographic, even when it contradicted something they had just said at a previous stop. But none of that mattered at the time, here was a man who spoke with true conviction! Who had a clear articulate message for the future, a plan and way to go, to improve our lives and make things better for America! ...And he didn't tell you he would need 8 years and a bullet-proof Congress, did he?

Obama led you to believe, he could somehow bring America together, to find universal solutions which worked for every American, and answered our challenges for the new century. He led you to believe we needed to end the wars and take a more diplomatic role toward our enemies. Our military is currently conducting strategic hostile military operations in 5 countries instead of two, and our enemies in the Middle East are stronger and more defiant than any other time in modern history. Two-thirds of the deaths in Afghanistan have occurred on Obama's watch, and there has been ZERO talk of our mission objectives, a timetable for withdrawal, what constitutes a 'victory' or anything else, it's as if the war simply doesn't exist to Obama & Co. America remains starkly divided and on an aimless path to something not good or healthy for our society. If your principles and convictions told you that Obama would somehow bring greater racial harmony and overcome the stigmas of the past, they lied to you. Obama has caused MORE divisiveness and disunity among, not just races of people, but entire classes as well. Anywhere and everywhere Obama has found to divide us and pit us against each other, he has.

If your principles and convictions made you find support for Obama on the basis of nationalized health care, his 'crowning achievement' as president, again he has failed to deliver. He promised affordable universal health care coverage for every American. What we got, was over 2,000 pages of bureaucracy that no one understands, which only gives a few million more people health care coverage, while dramatically raising premiums across the board for all. In order to do this much, he will have to raid the Medicare funds and mandate liabilities to the states, who will have to pass the expenses on to the state taxpayers. This brings us to his other 'principled conviction' of not increasing the tax on ANY American making under $200k. If it stands, Obamacare will be the largest tax increase in human history by any government on any citizen at any time. It will be a tax legally owed by every American, according to the Supreme Court.

Maybe your principles and convictions were inline with Obama's Keynesian philosophy? You liked the stimulus but didn't think it was enough, and liked the second stimulus too, and the bailouts, and the excessive government spending to 'revive' the economy? Well, did that work? Are we growing and creating jobs at a pace which indicates happy days are here again, or are we languishing and floundering, grappling with credit downgrades and a further devaluing of the dollar? We are currently in debt more than any country has ever been in debt, and it is currently growing at a pace of $1.6 trillion per year. My question would be, when are these Keynesian philosophies supposed to kick in? We've rang up more national debt in 4 years, than all other previous presidents combined, and things are just not a whole lot better. We may have hoped it would be, but hope has failed. And what about the most important principle and conviction of repealing the Bush tax cuts? Two years in, and Obama basically tells you that he can't end the Bush tax cuts as he promised to do, because it would devastate the economy even further. But let's just try to forget that is the exact same thing the republican candidate for president said as well.

Were your principles about government transparency? Were they about CIA/FBI encroachments on privacy? Were they about the rendition programs and counter-terrorism measures adopted in the wake of 9-11? Whatever you look at, you can see that Obama has simply failed to deliver on principles and convictions. He talks a good game, you lap up every syllable and cling to every catch phrase, and he looks so good doing it! But at the end of the day, what does all of it mean? Well what we are finding out, it means that you often get a proverbial egging in the face, like the case of the Pot Heads for Obama, who just KNEW that Obama was an ally! Obama has sent his US Attorneys and Attorney General out there to wage war on legally established medical marijuana dispensaries. There goes another principle and conviction up in smoke, eh?

Across the board, this president has failed to deliver on his promises. And the totally ironic thing is, he is now trying to blame his failures on republicans. Was he not aware that there would still be republicans if he won the presidency? Was he so inept and dumb that he believed republicans were going to gleefully support his policies without compromise or review? He promised a new era of bipartisanship, working together, getting the jobs done that Bush was unable to do. Did he deliver?


I would rather vote for a flawed canidate who works toward my goals, than an effecient canidate who works against my goals. I belive that the President has done what he could to close Gitmo, but was faced with a reality that was harder than his expectations. I was harsh on President Bush for not having closed Gitmo, but now that a president who wanted to do it was unable, I have to go back and give Bush the bene of the doubt and say he was likely correct on that issue. Gitmo cannot be closed at this time even though I wish it could, and I belive the President wishes it could be closed.

As far as adding jobs, the numbers have changed from virtual free-fall to climbing under the President's watch. I am happy with the turn around.

As far as the debt, it was a necessary evil to correct the economic free-fall we were in. Now its time to work toward reigning in spending, and the President agrees.

As far as healthcare... we are on track to have everyone the oppertunity to be insured within two years. I was uninsurable without a group policy then... I am insured without a group policy NOW, thanks to the ACA. That is a great achievement that I personally have benefited from.

The President is not perfect, far from it. But if my choice is to vote for a president that will inch us along the current path, or one who will turn us around and lead us back to where we were.. Ill vote for the President.
 
State a specific country and the circumstances. Otherwise, you just throw out anything and I don't have the patience to try and pin you down while you wiggle and squirm your way around. What specific country? Who was droned? (Is "droned" a word?)

you not explain why we are bombing.....WRONG

you don't even know WHO we're bombing.....WRONG

YOU DON'T CARE!.....WRONG

Unfortunately, three wrongs don't make a right.

Probably the reason you're not getting any replies is because folks know how the conversation is going to go. So, how about you start with a specific country, state the reason you are against the droning and we can take it from there. As you correctly stated a simple Google would inform anyone so that can't be the reason. Could it be they want you to take a specific position/state your case before they waste key strokes?

You should know why your president is bombing the countries, shouldn't you? You should know who they are and why we're there, and be able to explain it to me, I shouldn't have to educate you on this. I am merely taking you at your word that you think President Obama has us on the right track and moving in the right direction with regard to foreign affairs, I just want you to explain how the drone attacks are making them like us more and following the policy of getting out of their business, like you said you wanted us to do? I understand it was your principled conviction that we untangle ourselves from the mess in the Middle East, and you supported Obama because you thought he could do that better than the Republican choice, but I need for you to explain how bombing three more countries is accomplishing that? Before you can even do that, you first have to know what countries we're bombing, and you apparently don't.

I can remember quite a few Democrats and Liberals, talking about the blood on Bush's hands in Iraq, and how we didn't need to be there... you even reverted to your old habits in this thread and emotively bleated "how many of our sons and daughters have to die?" But then, you realized Obama is the one sending them to die, and suddenly you don't want to talk about the fact that 2/3rds of the deaths in Afghanistan are on his watch, and we still have no exit strategy or timeline for withdrawal, no mission objective or apparently, no curiosity about it.
 
I would rather vote for a flawed canidate who works toward my goals, than an effecient canidate who works against my goals.

So you believe Obama is a flawed candidate who is working toward your goals? Okay... let's examine it further:

I belive that the President has done what he could to close Gitmo, but was faced with a reality that was harder than his expectations. I was harsh on President Bush for not having closed Gitmo, but now that a president who wanted to do it was unable, I have to go back and give Bush the bene of the doubt and say he was likely correct on that issue. Gitmo cannot be closed at this time even though I wish it could, and I belive the President wishes it could be closed.

Ahh... So whenever McCain and Republicans were telling you it was insane to try and close Gitmo, and you hooted them down and rallied support for Obama on the promise he would close it, you liked having smoke blown up your ass and being told what you wanted to hear, rather than being told the truth from the start? It doesn't matter what Obama said he would do, it's that he had the best of intentions?

As far as adding jobs, the numbers have changed from virtual free-fall to climbing under the President's watch. I am happy with the turn around.

The job numbers are not climbing. We are producing about half as many jobs as new workers entering the workforce. What does Obama plan to do to create more jobs his second term? We know the shovel-ready jobs didn't exist now, but again, it was his intentions that count, right? You'll support whoever tells you what you want to hear, over someone who tells you the truth, because at least you feel like someone is working toward your goals, right?

As far as the debt, it was a necessary evil to correct the economic free-fall we were in. Now its time to work toward reigning in spending, and the President agrees.

The economic freefall has not been corrected, we're pretty much still in it. To date, Obama has spent over $4 trillion trying to spend our way out of the mess, and we're really no better off. We can't spend our way to prosperity, but again, you'd rather have Obama blowing smoke up your ass than to face the truth, because at least you feel like someone is working toward your goals, right?

Obama doesn't want to cut spending, Obama wants to cut MILITARY spending, or that's what he is saying because, again, that's what you want to hear! The thing is, when it comes down to actually doing this, it's going to be like Gitmo, harder than expected. But that's okay, because Obama meant well, he had the best of intentions and was working toward your goals, right?

As far as healthcare... we are on track to have everyone the oppertunity to be insured within two years. I was uninsurable without a group policy then... I am insured without a group policy NOW, thanks to the ACA. That is a great achievement that I personally have benefited from.

No, we're on track to see massive increases in premiums over the next 5-10 years, a stark decline in the number of medical professionals, and employers actually dropping health care insurance coverage when they can. We're on track for the largest tax increase ever enacted on a citizenry, and one the Supreme Court has now ruled can be mandated to every American. Oh but again, it was Obama's INTENTIONS that matter!

The President is not perfect, far from it. But if my choice is to vote for a president that will inch us along the current path, or one who will turn us around and lead us back to where we were.. Ill vote for the President.

And if your president were actually DOING what he promised, even "inching along" ...then it might be understandable. He's not! He IS far from perfect, he is a FAILURE! In every aspect, from every perspective, if we go by actual principles and conviction, he has FAILED as president. He didn't do much of what he promised, and what little he did accomplish is riddled with unworkable problems. But hey... it's all okay because he's got the best of intentions, he means well!
 
You should know why your president is bombing the countries, shouldn't you? You should know who they are and why we're there, and be able to explain it to me, I shouldn't have to educate you on this. I am merely taking you at your word that you think President Obama has us on the right track and moving in the right direction with regard to foreign affairs, I just want you to explain how the drone attacks are making them like us more and following the policy of getting out of their business, like you said you wanted us to do? I understand it was your principled conviction that we untangle ourselves from the mess in the Middle East, and you supported Obama because you thought he could do that better than the Republican choice, but I need for you to explain how bombing three more countries is accomplishing that? Before you can even do that, you first have to know what countries we're bombing, and you apparently don't.

I can remember quite a few Democrats and Liberals, talking about the blood on Bush's hands in Iraq, and how we didn't need to be there... you even reverted to your old habits in this thread and emotively bleated "how many of our sons and daughters have to die?" But then, you realized Obama is the one sending them to die, and suddenly you don't want to talk about the fact that 2/3rds of the deaths in Afghanistan are on his watch, and we still have no exit strategy or timeline for withdrawal, no mission objective or apparently, no curiosity about it.

As I said pick a country. Be specific. Narrow it down. As can be seen here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neta-crawford/drones-civilian-casualties_b_1907597.html it talks about drone attacks in Yemen. It is better to take out terrorists with drones than have troops there if for no other reason fewer US troops die. Surely that's easy enough to understand.

Then we come to the every day guy/gal on the street. They don't want to be interferred with by foreign troops and that inevitably happens. Then there's the "spreading of democracy". There is no "spreading" with drones. They eliminate terrorists and that's it. They aren't telling people how their daughters can dress or how parents have no say whether or not their daughters dress like sluts and hang out with boys which is what happened in Afghanistan. 'The Afghans don't want their daughters wearing short shirts, going around with their head uncovered, listening to western music, being mixed in with boys in school.....the list goes on. Drones don't do that.

Fight terrorism? No problem. Change the culture? Big problem. It's as simple as that.
 
So you believe Obama is a flawed candidate who is working toward your goals? Okay... let's examine it further:



Ahh... So whenever McCain and Republicans were telling you it was insane to try and close Gitmo, and you hooted them down and rallied support for Obama on the promise he would close it, you liked having smoke blown up your ass and being told what you wanted to hear, rather than being told the truth from the start? It doesn't matter what Obama said he would do, it's that he had the best of intentions?



The job numbers are not climbing. We are producing about half as many jobs as new workers entering the workforce. What does Obama plan to do to create more jobs his second term? We know the shovel-ready jobs didn't exist now, but again, it was his intentions that count, right? You'll support whoever tells you what you want to hear, over someone who tells you the truth, because at least you feel like someone is working toward your goals, right?



The economic freefall has not been corrected, we're pretty much still in it. To date, Obama has spent over $4 trillion trying to spend our way out of the mess, and we're really no better off. We can't spend our way to prosperity, but again, you'd rather have Obama blowing smoke up your ass than to face the truth, because at least you feel like someone is working toward your goals, right?

Obama doesn't want to cut spending, Obama wants to cut MILITARY spending, or that's what he is saying because, again, that's what you want to hear! The thing is, when it comes down to actually doing this, it's going to be like Gitmo, harder than expected. But that's okay, because Obama meant well, he had the best of intentions and was working toward your goals, right?



No, we're on track to see massive increases in premiums over the next 5-10 years, a stark decline in the number of medical professionals, and employers actually dropping health care insurance coverage when they can. We're on track for the largest tax increase ever enacted on a citizenry, and one the Supreme Court has now ruled can be mandated to every American. Oh but again, it was Obama's INTENTIONS that matter!



And if your president were actually DOING what he promised, even "inching along" ...then it might be understandable. He's not! He IS far from perfect, he is a FAILURE! In every aspect, from every perspective, if we go by actual principles and conviction, he has FAILED as president. He didn't do much of what he promised, and what little he did accomplish is riddled with unworkable problems. But hey... it's all okay because he's got the best of intentions, he means well!

He started the ball rolling on government health care which has been discussed for the last one hundred years. Goes back to 1912. Use your fingers if you have to and count how many generations and Presidents have come and gone since then so don't say Obama hasn't accomplished anything.

As for employers dropping health insurance, great! It's insane to have ones health insurance tied to their job when statistics show people change jobs over a dozen times during their life. Every time they change jobs there's usually a 3 month waiting period for benefits to kick in. That's a total of 36 months, three years, the average person will go without health insurance. That, Dix, is insanity. And then there's the idea of people getting a medical before employment. You don't suppose an employer may be concerned about someone requiring/using medical benefits. Noooo, that would never happen. I'm sure these struggling small business Saints would never refuse a person because the group insurance may increase.

Have you noticed Romney always brings up jobs when he talks about Obamacare. The purpose of health insurance is to look after the ill. It is not a make work program. His thinking is twisted. Jobs have absolutely nothing to do with health care. It's as logical as saying we won't feed the hungry because such a program won't produce jobs. Maybe he should suggest removing seat belt laws and speeding laws. After all, the more injured the more jobs, right?

If Bloomburg outlawed snow removal equipment just think of all the winter jobs for New Yorkers. Hundreds, thousands of people shovelling snow.

Let's outlaw tractors and other farm equipment. Lots of summer jobs then, also. It's obvious the goal isn't to improve life. It's all about getting people working even if its not necessary. Even if there is plenty of food and the technology to build sufficient homes, as we saw during the housing boom when hundreds of thousands of brand new homes were left to rot, let's keep spreading the lie we can't feed and shelter everyone.

People have to work even if it means doing things like putting little rocks in boxes and selling them as "Pet Rocks". It employs the wood cutter, the box maker, the transport driver.....regardless how asinine the product produced from work the primary goal is to have people working. Otherwise, they have neither food nor shelter. Can things be any more ludicrous or nonsensical? Talk about going down the rabbit hole.
 
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