Lieberal sense of fair play and equality.....

Here we go...

http://www.fldoe.org/board/members.asp

Out of the seven, five were appointed or directly linked to Bush and or Scott. For the other two I cannot find any indication of partisanship.

You should definitely ask for help in understanding more often bravo. FYI, this is not a defense of their position.
 
 
christiefan915 said:
Okay, I'll bite. Where does it say the Florida State Board of Education is made up of liberals?
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Of course I never said the FB of E were liberals...I said their plan demonstrated a liberals sense of fair play....
ZappasGuitar said:
We're just waiting on an intelligent OP to respond to...
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This one is just incoherent....and irrelevant....guess he don't like CBS in Tampa's article or something, glad I didn't write it.
ZappasGuitar said:
Which as anyone can see was IN RESPONSE to bravo's derisive post...

But of course ol "even handed" Yurt had plenty to say about bravo's derisive comments didn't he...oh wait...NO he didn't.

It's just another petty personal attack from the obsessed Yurtard.
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And in this response, Zap at least calls the FB of E plan derisive...then blames the messenger as usual for informing him of it...
then attacking another poster because of...of...of....who the hell knows why
christiefan915 said:
You haven't given me anything to defend yet, that's why I asked the question.

Where does it say the Florida State Board of Education is made up of liberals?
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Then christie seems not to understand the facts presented in the op, so just don't mention anything about its content...
still claiming someone said the FB of E were liberals....it doesn't matter what they are....even if they were cons, their scheme still presents a liberals view of fairplay----Lack of understanding what is stated must her problem....
TheRocketSurgeon said:
Where did you see a defense of it?
Now this is slightly relevant....be stating what is obvious is a waste of everyones time
All I see is a couple knee jerk reactions from you.
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This bs must have been meant for another thread...it makes no sense here
TheRocketSurgeon said:
Well, she is a "eurotrash socialist" isn't she? But there is a new movie out and you can all pretend to actually grasp what she wrote.
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And then we have an attempt to high-jack the thread.... probably because they must see this as an indefensible plan by the FB of E.....
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And not even one intelligent post about the facts of op....not even one...
 
bravo said:
Of course I never said the FB or E was liberals...I said it was the liberals sense of fair play....

This one is just incoherent....and irrelevant

And in this response, Zap at least calls the FB of E plan derisive...blaming the messenger as usual
then attacking another post because of...of...of....who the hell why

Then christie seems not to understand the facts presented in the op, so just don't mention anything about its content...
still claiming someone said the FB of E were liberals....it doesn't matter what they are....even if they were cons, their scheme still presents a liberals view of fairplay----Lack of understanding what is stated must her problem....

This bs must have been meant for another thread...it makes no sense here

And then we have an attempt to high-jack the thread.... probably because they must see this as an indefensible plan by the FB of E.....
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And not even one intelligent post about the facts of op....not even one...
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If you weren't trying to link the school board's action to liberals, you wouldn't have used it in your title.

You could have said "Florida State Board of Education sense of fair play and equality" ... but you didn't, because you just wanted to slam liberals again.
 
christiefan915 said:
If you weren't trying to link the school board's action to liberals, you wouldn't have used it in your title.

You could have said "Florida State Board of Education sense of fair play and equality" ... but you didn't, because you just wanted to slam liberals again.
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But i DID want to link their action to liberals...I just didn't claim they were the liberals....

This scheme is exactly the sort of crap we've be getting from the liberals since they forced Affirm. Action down our throats....lowered standards for
jobs like policeman and firemen and teachers for minorities, college entrance, government contact set asides, etc.....

I figured you of all people would defend this to the hilt.

Its the liberal definition of equality....different standards for each race
 
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bravo said:
Of course I never said the FB of E were liberals...I said their plan demonstrated a liberals sense of fair play....

This one is just incoherent....and irrelevant....guess he don't like CBS in Tampa's article or something, glad I didn't write it.

And in this response, Zap at least calls the FB of E plan derisive...then blames the messenger as usual for informing him of it...
then attacking another poster because of...of...of....who the hell knows why

Then christie seems not to understand the facts presented in the op, so just don't mention anything about its content...
still claiming someone said the FB of E were liberals....it doesn't matter what they are....even if they were cons, their scheme still presents a liberals view of fairplay----Lack of understanding what is stated must her problem....

This bs must have been meant for another thread...it makes no sense here

And then we have an attempt to high-jack the thread.... probably because they must see this as an indefensible plan by the FB of E.....
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And not even one intelligent post about the facts of op....not even one...
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:facepalm:
 
You are full of crap bravo. You read it and thought, "It's government and education. They must be lieberals." Either that or it was fed to you by some other dittohead.

The majority of the board was appointed by Republicans. Florida's schools are failing and they have reduced FCAT standards to try to cover their inability to improve the situation. They probably thought it through about as well as you did your title. Many conservatives USE to oppose the FCAT but, after they saw Bush in jeans and he pushed this same sort of thing from the Federal level they all fell into line.

Get some moral principles YOU can stand up for instead of just taking up a meaningless banner! Think for yourself! Quit being such a pinhead!

I will hijack everyone of your bullshit threads I care to especially when your real point represents nothing more than one sided knee jerk reaction.
 
bravo said:
But i DID want to link their action to liberals...I just didn't claim they were the liberals....

This scheme is exactly the sort of crap we've be getting from the liberals since they forced Affirm. Action down our throats....lowered standards for
jobs like policeman and firemen and teachers for minorities, college entrance, government contact set asides, etc.....

I figured you of all people would defend this to the hilt.

Its the liberal definition of equality....different standards for each race
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We could have avoided all this nonsense if you had just come right out and stated that discrimination doesn't matter to you.
 
bravo said:
Palm Beach, Fla. (CBS TAMPA) – The Florida State Board of Education passed a plan that sets goals for students in math and reading based upon their race.

On Tuesday, the board passed a revised strategic plan that says that by 2018, it wants 90 percent of Asian students, 88 percent of white students, 81 percent of Hispanics and 74 percent of black students to be reading at or above grade level. For math, the goals are 92 percent of Asian kids to be proficient, whites at 86 percent, Hispanics at 80 percent and blacks at 74 percent. It also measures by other groupings, such as poverty and disabilities, reported the Palm Beach Post.

The plan has infuriated many community activists in Palm Beach County and across the state.

“To expect less from one demographic and more from another is just a little off-base,” Juan Lopez, magnet coordinator at John F. Kennedy Middle School in Riviera Beach, told the Palm Beach Post.

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/10/12/florida-passes-plan-for-racially-based-academic-goals/
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They shouldnt be discriminating at all. we are all individuals,and we all have the right to be what ever kind of individual we choose to be.
 
christiefan915 said:
We could have avoided all this nonsense if you had just come right out and stated that discrimination doesn't matter to you.
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Ahhh....and now a riddle........

I say to you "I figured you (you being christgiefan)of all people would defend this to the hilt.

Its the liberal definition of equality....different standards for each race"

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And you conclude discrimination doesn't matter to ME......?

OK...you really got me....I give up....how do you figure 1+1=3.....?

Set the Koolade down before you answer.
 
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wanderingbear said:
They shouldnt be discriminating at all. we are all individuals,and we all have the right to be what ever kind of individual we choose to be.
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Now heres a new one christiefan.....a self described 'liberal radical' that thinks this kind of discrimination is wrong.....

You might to have a talk with him about how wonderful affirmative action is before he strays off the liberal farm any further...
 
bravo said:
Now heres a new one christiefan.....a self described 'liberal radical' that thinks this kind of discrimination is wrong.....

You might to have a talk with him about how wonderful affirmative action is before he strays off the liberal farm any further...
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I think all forms of discrimination are wrong.
 
bravo said:
Ahhh....and now a riddle........

I say to you "I figured you (you being christgiefan)of all people would defend this to the hilt.

Its the liberal definition of equality....different standards for each race"

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And you conclude discrimination doesn't matter to ME......?

OK...you really got me....I give up....how do you figure 1+1=3.....?

Set the Koolade down before you answer.
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So you are saying there should be one standard? This week?

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ericans-has-no-religion&p=1090211#post1090211

bravo said:
We live under OUR Constitution, not some universal sets of standards that YOU find acceptable....

Get used to it....sometimes life just isn't fair....especially with the orthodoxy and traditions we have
established as a country.....their are limits.

This is the real world, not some fictitious Shangri-la or Utopia........not a game for amateur philosophers...
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So, apparently, you are trying to juxtapose this against some other lieberal standard related to affirmative action? Are we allowed to ask for specifics or are we just suppose to guess at your point based on the "principles" you have presented in previous discussions?
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
So you are saying there should be one standard? This week?

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ericans-has-no-religion&p=1090211#post1090211



So, apparently, you are trying to juxtapose this against some other lieberal standard related to affirmative action? Are we allowed to ask for specifics or are we just suppose to guess at your point based on the "principles" you have presented in previous discussions?
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Race and religious freedom are not even remotely alike.....

As race goes, there must be but one standard....total equality.....
As with religious beliefs, the same is true.....but that is, concerning beliefs.....and that freedom to believe is what is guaranteed by the Constitution....

That does not mean that our freedoms are without limits or without restrictions....these are rights agreed to by men.....voted on by men....negotiated between men....
freedoms to be practiced by men in a society with recognition that others, with different religious beliefs enjoy these same freedoms to believe.....


Equality is not a freedom given by the Constitution.....

We hold these truths to be self-evident,

that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
--------that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

This quotation is almost religious in its phrasing....not a right, but a profound belief .........a condition bestowed on us by Nature/God/Creator, however you choose to word it....of equality of human worth.....
 
bravo said:
Race and religious freedom are not even remotely alike.....

As race goes, there must be but one standard....total equality.....
As with religious beliefs, the same is true.....but that is, concerning beliefs.....and that freedom to believe is what is guaranteed by the Constitution....

That does not mean that our freedoms are without limits or without restrictions....these are rights agreed to by men.....voted on by men....negotiated between men....
freedoms to be practiced by men in a society with recognition that others, with different religious beliefs enjoy these same freedoms to believe.....


Equality is not a freedom given by the Constitution.....

We hold these truths to be self-evident,

that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
--------that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

This quotation is almost religious in its phrasing....not a right, but a profound belief .........a condition bestowed on us by Nature/God/Creator, however you choose to word it....of equality of human worth.....
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You argued one sect should have special exemptions from the law. It had nothing to do with freedom of belief. One could argue these two issues are connected through the 14 th and the very concept of equality before the law you mention.

I was giving you grief more about your comments about standards. They are always necessary and without them the Constitution is a dead letter. You cant just use it as a club.

We can drop that but what specific instance of AA are you trying to relate this too. You claimed there was some sort of separate metrics for various races. Do you have a specific example?

BTW, it looks like Kennedy is leaning against the University of Texas. He has indicated support of programs that promote diversity but not if they are ONLY about race. The problem though is then that the courts will be tasked with approving admission standards and that is NOT something many of the justices are going to think is all that ideal. Many so called AA programs are just trying to provide a metric to ensure their compliance with Federal law and hoping to prevent discrimination. You guys are not really listening, though, or considering any of the difficulties involved. Nobody really favors discrimination but you cannot avoid it by pretending it does not exist. That, in fact, ensures it will return.
 
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