She needs to be 'corrected' by her husband...

They always say they aren't pushing any particular political agenda but they always do...perhaps this 'organizer' can provide some link to a liberal church that is participating in "Pulpit Freedom Sunday"....I doubt it. Liars for Jesus...
 
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Where does it say ?

I don't see it in the original link.

In the second one, it says "When Reuters spoke last week to Erik Stanley senior legal counsel of the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), which has been organizing “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” since it began in 2008, he said the group was not pushing any particular political agenda and participants came from both conservative and liberal churches."

So I should just take his word for it?
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You seem willing to take the word of people that side with your own pretext, but simply reject information from a source that is actually part of the movement. I'm good with that, but accepting hearsay over direct testimony is a bit weak.
 
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Where does it say ?

I don't see it in the original link.

In the second one, it says "When Reuters spoke last week to Erik Stanley senior legal counsel of the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), which has been organizing “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” since it began in 2008, he said the group was not pushing any particular political agenda and participants came from both conservative and liberal churches."

So I should just take his word for it?
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Do you want it notarized?
 
I prefer actual facts...this organization is openly defying the law...Openly Defying The Law...what part of that don't you understand?
 
Damocles said:
You seem willing to take the word of people that side with your own pretext, but simply reject information from a source that is actually part of the movement. I'm good with that, but accepting hearsay over direct testimony is a bit weak.
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I reject unsubstantiated claims made by people who don't provide any reason to trust them - it's called evidence.
 
As far as the tax exempt status, it's not the sermon that could be at issue here but the pamphlet. This site, which is supportive of churches, indicates that crosses the line under current law.

http://aclj.org/churches-organizations-/political-speech-non-profit-tax-issues

I am not so sure the courts would side with the church in this case. If they did you it might pervert them as you could get a tax deduction for your political contributions. That would actually privilege certain speakers. There is nothing to stop the preacher from forming a PAC if political speech is the real interest.
 
Haiku said:
They always say they aren't pushing any particular political agenda but they always do...perhaps this 'organizer' can provide some link to a liberal church that is participating in "Pulpit Freedom Sunday"....I doubt it. Liars for Jesus...
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I posted this last week. This guy seem "liberal" to you?

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Pastor Mark Harris of First Baptist Church stands for a portrait in the sanctuary prior to giving his sermon during the fifth and largest "Pulpit Freedom Sunday" in Charlotte, North Carolina...



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Pacing across the church stage and backed by large screens showing close-ups of his face, Harris argued in his sermon that issues such as the sanctity of life, marriage, religious freedom and the national debt mattered "to the judgment hand of God."



"The American politician must hear you. You, sir and ma'am, are responsible for the governing of this nation today," he declared as his congregation rose in a standing ovation.



"As a follower of Jesus Christ, I will not vote for a candidate that violates the principles of God on the issues I've discussed," he said, before going on to endorse Paul Martin Newby, Republican candidate for the state Supreme Court.



Churchgoer Dixie Martin said some in the congregation were uncomfortable with the overt political talk, but she added: "We needed to hear it."



A registered Democrat, Martin said she would be voting Republican this year...



http://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-pasto...GFnZQ--;_ylv=3
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Basically, they'll have to tax them all or not try to apply this as a punishment for speech, because they'll lose that way.
 
You guys don't seem to be talking about the facts of this case. The woman in question seemed to know what exactly was wrong and that is probably what upset the pastor. It seems he might be the one who gets corrected.
 
Damocles said:
Basically, they'll have to tax them all or not try to apply this as a punishment for speech, because they'll lose that way.
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They are allowed to give sermons touching on political issues. It's the pamphlet specifically opposing a candidate that could get this one church in trouble.
 
They know exactly what they aren't supposed to do. They know exactly what the law is and they are openly defying it yet when called to task they want to 'slap' the woman who informed them. Isn't that special?!
 
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I'm OK with taxing churches and unions.
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I'm not against it. My argument isn't against taxing churches or unions. I think that judging what beliefs make a religion and who to tax is IMO, a huge step in the wrong direction and against the 1st Amendment, or endorsing certain gatherings like unions that are often partisan is also a step in the wrong direction.

The CWA, the union at our work (not in my area, we're not in the union in my area), posts a list of who to vote for, etc. every year. I guess I should take a picture of it this year and send it on to the IRS, eh?
 
Jim Bakker, an infamous televangelist, was imprisoned for the fraudulent use of millions of dollars donated by his faithful followers—innocent of the knowledge that the preacher they admired was pocketing their hard-earned cash rather than turning it back into his ministry.


Bakker told his audience that the money sent to him was going to be used to spread God's word.


Despite the fact that the Bible says that adultery is a sin, and this is the message he spread to his followers, Bakker was also involved in an affair with his secretary, Jessica Hahn.


Oral Roberts, another televangelist, abused his followers with his request for $8 million, which he wanted in the form of donations.


Roberts locked himself in a tower and proclaimed that if he didn't get the money for his ministry by a specific date, God would “call him home.”



http://www.netplaces.com/christianity/christianity-in-the-modern-age/modern-evangelicalism.htm
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
They are allowed to give sermons touching on political issues. It's the pamphlet specifically opposing a candidate that could get this one church in trouble.
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Of the 1586 pastors that took part, the point was to endorse a candidate. Each year they do this and send a tape to the IRS basically daring them to take it to court.
 
In 2007, Sen. Charles Grassley launched an investigation into six televangelists for allegations of abusing their tax-exempt status.

Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, Joyce Meyer and Paula White were required to submit financial records to the Senate Finance Committee.

Congress has the authority to subpoena these televangelists.

Some televangelists might be required to testify before Congress concerning their alleged use of tax-exempt donations to support extravagant lifestyles.



http://thescroogereport.wordpress.c...among-6-televangelists-under-senate-scrutiny/
 
Damocles said:
Of the 1586 pastors that took part, the point was to endorse a candidate. Each year they do this and send a tape to the IRS basically daring them to take it to court.
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Yeah, you should read the link I provided. They are not likely to bother with the sermons. They don't really spend any of the parishioners money on that. If that was all they ever gave sermons on the IRS might act. The pamphlet is different because they are using church funds to print it.
 
I mean, it's not like Jesus ever said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" or anything...
 
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