zappasguitar
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He's just another partisan Rightie who absolutely will not discuss anything with any honesty.
Lieberal sense of fair play and equality.....
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He's just another partisan Rightie who absolutely will not discuss anything with any honesty.
So the school boards members were APPOINTED by republicans....
Thats make Christiefan somewhat of a liar, doesn't it....she stated in no uncertain terms that the school boards members were REPUBLICANS...registered, I presume.
Imagine that christiefan is a common ordinary liar....I thought better of her
Maybe to her, thats the same thing, though obviously, its not the same thing....but all that is quite irrelevant to the issue which is the scheme proposed...
and that scheme is totally how the liberal mind works.....different standards for different races.....thats their idea of equal treatment under the law......
You ain't gonna win this one by throwing bullshit like 'diversity' and 'discrimination' into the mix.....
If all people were treated alike, without regard to race, there would be no forced discrimination in college admission standards....and diversity would be earned by deeds and not by skin color......assuming diversity in all aspects of society is a good thing in the first place, but thats for a different thread...
But i DID want to link their action to liberals...I just didn't claim they were the liberals....
This scheme is exactly the sort of crap we've be getting from the liberals since they forced Affirm. Action down our throats....lowered standards for
jobs like policeman and firemen and teachers for minorities, college entrance, government contact set asides, etc.....
What is dishonest about this....don't you understand simple English ?
zappasguitar
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Of course if he put it that way he wouldn't be able to deflect attention away from that nasty little fact.
zappasguitar
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Yeah...you wanted "honesty"...that's why the thread title is misleading instead of being clear and concise.
If "honesty" is what you were aiming for, then your thread title might have read:
"Florida School Board acting like Liberals..."
You keep on telling yourself that others are actually buying your lunacy.
Liberal sense of fair play and equality.....
Just what words seems to give you trouble.....?
It says exactly what I meant to say.......this scheme is what the liberals understand as fairness and equal treatment....
How many different ways can I say the same thing until you comprehend it....?
I don't give a rats ass WHO dreams it up....the issue is the plan that was devised by the school board.....
I don't care what their voter registration is or who appointed them....thats not the point nor is it relevant...nor is the title for that matter.
If that all you can harp on....just bag it....its over your head and you as a fool liberal can't defend their actions on any rational scale of fairness.
Wouldn't a kiddie cite be more appropriate for you ? This one is more for adults....
Slow down and liiiisten.
So you don't have any examples of where lieberals have enforced some different metric based on race?
There is no forced discrimination (I threw that in to the mix??? wtf???) in college admissions that YOU can identify. That is not to say they don't exist, but that you are just complaining to have something to complain about.
Any criteria for admissions chosen is arbitrary. Legacy standards, arbitrary. Extra curriculars, arbitrary. Written essays, arbitrary. Letters written by respected members of the community, arbitrary. Even doing it based on something that can be objectively graded could be arbitrary and many institutions just have too many qualified applicants to do it based on that alone.
It is idiotic and unenforceable to just tell them "don't be racist." Any judgment of "deeds" is bound to be biased by the preferences of the admissions board. The AA standards are there to provide a metric of diversity in the admission standards. Many people who are supportive or tolerant of AA are only tolerant of loose standards and a broad measure of diversity. It's not a conspiracy against the white man or whatever bullshit lie you tell yourself. The ones that MAY be hurt are on the cusp anyway and I am sure you would not care if the roles were reversed and it was a minority who just missed.
As I noted, Kennedy seems to be leaning against because UT's standard seems to be too heavily based on race, alone. He has noted support for programs that promote diversity, but it would have to be about other criteria. There is no reason to believe he's lying. He has never ruled in favor of AA. I seriously doubt they will invalidate ALL AA programs. More likely, they will try to craft a standard that can be applied to all fairly and ignorant intransigent dittoheads, like you, who will not consider any opinion other than that of the ... will still have something to bitch about.
So you don't have any examples of where lieberals have enforced some different metric based on race?
I gave you examples....any and all attempts of Affirmative Action...based on race
This scheme of the FB or E.....different metrics, based on race....
There is no forced discrimination (I threw that in to the mix??? wtf???) in college admissions that YOU can identify.
There are court cases pending right now, today, if you care to look....admissions based on race as a factor of acceptance
Any criteria for admissions chosen is arbitrary. Legacy standards, arbitrary. Extra curriculars, arbitrary. Written essays, arbitrary. Letters written by respected members of the community, arbitrary. Even doing it based on something that can be objectively graded could be arbitrary and many institutions just have too many qualified applicants to do it based on that alone.
Arbitrary, yeah....but not based on race....thats the issue....
Save your 'arbitrary arguements' for another thread.....its not the topic here.
AND...should we assume by your arguement that we agree and condone the FB or E plan to use different standards based on race ?
The simple answer would have saved you a lot of un-necessary tryping....
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Christiefan, ....
In post 42 Rocketman claimed the SB members were APPOINTED by Republicans and your
claim was they WERE Republicans....I choose to believe him at the time and called you out
for lying....
I apologize for that......after a little checking for myself, I would conclude they are indeed Republican....
so you were telling the truth.....
I should have confirmed your claim instead of believing Rocketman....
It doesn't matter to the issue I posed which is the real issue, not the politics of the board....
The scheme is wrong no matter who come up with it....
and I still contend its indicative of typical liberal thinking.....not Dem. or Rep.....liberal....
In post 42 Rocketman claimed the SB members were APPOINTED by Republicans and your
claim was they WERE Republicans....I choose to believe him at the time and called you out
for lying....
I apologize for that......after a little checking for myself, I would conclude they are indeed Republican....
so you were telling the truth.....
I should have confirmed your claim instead of believing Rocketman....
It doesn't matter to the issue I posed which is the real issue, not the politics of the board....
The scheme is wrong no matter who come up with it....
and I still contend its indicative of typical liberal thinking.....not Dem. or Rep.....liberal....
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What are you talking about? How does my claim conflict with christiefan? Nice try.
You are grasping at straws. Where are they using numbers comparable to what this Republican dominated board used?
Again, I am not saying it does not exist. I am asking you to cite a real world example.
Any highly arbitrary and non objective standards like legacy, extra curriculars, who wrote letters for you etc., are prone to racial bias and discrimination. That is why they use different metrics to track/tune their affirmative action plans. You don't know what you are talking about.
From wikipedia....
President Lyndon B. Johnson enacted Executive Order 11246 which required government employers to take "affirmative action" to hire without regard to race, religion and national origin. In 1968, gender was added to the anti-discrimination list.
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You are not going to get an argument from me that every plan is perfect. I am just trying to figure out what tree you are barking up. It appears you don't really know.
Did I claim somewhere they were using FBof E numbers in other places....I don't think so...so why is that relevant to anything...
Legacy, extra activities etc. have absolutely nothing to do with race......they aren't race sensitive......
I know exactly what I'm saying, its you're to stupid to comprehend the written word....
LBJ's EO?
The Executive Order also required contractors with 51 or more employees and contracts of $50,000 or more to implement affirmative action plans to increase the participation of minorities and women in the workplace if a workforce analysis demonstrates their under-representation, meaning that there are fewer minorities and women than would be expected given the numbers of minorities and women qualified to hold the positions available. Federal regulations require affirmative action plans to include an equal opportunity policy statement, an analysis of the current work force, identification of under-represented areas, the establishment of reasonable, flexible goals and timetables for increasing employment opportunities, specific action-oriented programs to address problem areas, support for community action programs, and the establishment of an internal audit and reporting system.
Affirmative action is by definition, discrimination based on race....
In the U.S., the effort to improve the employment and educational opportunities of women and members of minority groups through preferential treatment in job hiring, college admissions, the awarding of government contracts, and the allocation of other social benefits.---Merriam-Webster
and now the FB of E is setting student standards BASED OM RACE.....and that is the issue and topic of my thread, not LBJ's Exe. Order.
I only mention AA to demonstrate the similarities and nothing else....
I can only imagine the self worth and self esteem and pride an African American kid must feel when he's told
he don't have to measure up to the rest of his class because he's black or Hispanic....
Its no different than telling him he's inferior and that is disgusting......
Yes.
These non objective and highly arbitrary standards can be easily influenced by discrimination or can be used to mask discrimination.
LBJ's EO?
The Executive Order also required contractors with 51 or more employees and contracts of $50,000 or more to implement affirmative action plans to increase the participation of minorities and women in the workplace if a workforce analysis demonstrates their under-representation, meaning that there are fewer minorities and women than would be expected given the numbers of minorities and women qualified to hold the positions available. Federal regulations require affirmative action plans to include an equal opportunity policy statement, an analysis of the current work force, identification of under-represented areas, the establishment of reasonable, flexible goals and timetables for increasing employment opportunities, specific action-oriented programs to address problem areas, support for community action programs, and the establishment of an internal audit and reporting system.
The STATED goal is to develop an affirmative action plan to avoid discrimination.
This is not relevant to any specific act of the government. I have been asking for specifics. Do you have any?
You said you wanted to connect it to the lieberal positions on affirmative action. I have been trying to help you articulate your point or figure out wtf it is.
Now you are even mangling what this dumbass Republican FBOE did. They did not say that an individual member of a minority group could perform at a lower standard. They lowered the standards by which they would judge their own success.
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Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. Have you completely lost your mind? No one replied to your thread because they probably knew it was nonsense but you insisted someone do so with your cricket comment so Christie appropriately exposed it to be the crazy nonsense that it is. Now you have others joining in and......well, I'm sure there's a little S&M in you as you appear to enjoy a good ass-smacking every so often.
To quote \\((\))//, "Poor Bravo".
To quote \\((\))//, "Poor Bravo".
That is exactly what they did.....to meet their goals, 92% of Asians must read at or above grade level, while only 74% of blacks are required to do so....
IS the Asian brain superior to white, black and Hispanic brains.....thats the implication and its bogus, no matter the reason for their action....
Its insulting and degrading to those held to the lower standards....
And you know as well as I....it will not stand, already its causing an uproar in their community.
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The fact that this bs plan by the school board will not stand with the community is proof enough I'm on the right side of this issue.....
No one could or would defend the SB's plan and now its evolved into a debate on AA....but I'm now done with that side issue
though it is similar.....its really irrelevant to my op....
And heres to the troll....
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What grade level are you supposed to be reading at?