Will Alabama Uphold Segregation?

WinterBorn said:
I simply add this to my list of question to periodically ask you. As I said, I think I already know the answer but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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How'd your paintball exercise go?

I think I already know the answer, but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.
 
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WinterBorn said:
Yes there is. But then, the quotes you posted in #40 are very different from the post you quoted in your question to me.
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So in order for you to see Dix's issues and flaws, they had to have been quoted in post #40?

Good to know.
 
\\((|))// said:
So in order for you to see Dix's issues and flaws, they had to have been quoted in post #40?

Good to know.
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Is that what I said?

But you asked a question concerning a specific quote, and then posted other quotes in response to my answer. I was simply pointing out the dishonesty in that.
 
WinterBorn said:
Yes, I am actually old enough to remember some of the segregationist policies and laws. But those have been removed. There are no longer separate facilities based on race. This was done quite some time ago.
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And I know how you Alabamians like to stay focused on current stuff, and not dwell on the past.
 
\\((|))// said:
And I know how you Alabamians like to stay focused on current stuff, and not dwell on the past.
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I don't think Alabama is any more racist than most places. I think the idea that the state is full of knuckle-dragging, sheet wearing, bubbas is simply ignorant stereotyping. But I have voiced my opinion on the bashing of the south numerous times. It didn't seem to have any effect, so I decided to leave those who do so to dwell in their ignorance.
 
Back to the subject of the thread...

In 2004, the Democrat-controlled Alabama legislature tried to pass a proposition which basically did two things:

1) Remove segregation-era language from the Constitution.
2) Establish that public education is a Constitutional right. (so they could enact a massive school tax)

In 2012, the (now) Republican-controlled Alabama legislature is trying to pass a proposition which basically does two things:

1) Remove the segregation-era language from the Constitution.
2) Establish that public education is NOT a Constitutional right. (so there can never be a school tax)

In both cases, those who favor the bill, claim opposition is "racist" because they don't want to remove segregation-era language from the Constitution, which has no bearing on anything since it's obsolete.

Then there is the issue of the longest state constitution in the world. (800+ pages) Do we continue adding to it, or is it time to rewrite the mofo entirely? Whether the latest incarnation of the proposition will pass or not, remains to be seen, but we can clearly see this is not really about the segregation-era language at all.
 
Dixie said:
Stringy, I live here, I know what is going on. The Alabama state legislature is predominately Democrat, they have tried to do this before, as you mentioned. Yes, what you posted is what the Constitution does say, but the language is outdated since segregation is unconstitutional. They want to pass a tax increase, and they have tried to attach this to a proposition calling for the removal of this language... it hasn't worked, the people see through it. We're fucking NOT going to pass a tax increase so that antiquated and outdated irrelevant language can be removed from a Constitution that needs to be entirely rewritten anyway... just not going to happen, dude!

Now you can call us "racists" and claim we want to "keep segregation" and make any other wild outlandish claims you please, we're STILL NOT GOING TO PASS A TAX INCREASE! SORRY!
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Are you just repeating whatever lie your daddy told you again or making up your own like a big boy? You are not dealing with the specifics or facts of this case. The language was promoted by the Republicans, has nothing to do with a tax increase and Republicans are in control of Alabama's state legislature.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_House_of_Representatives
Republicans 64
Democrats 40
Independents 1

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_State_Senate
Republicans 22
Democrats 12
Independents 1
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
Are you just repeating whatever lie your daddy told you again or making up your own like a big boy? You are not dealing with the specifics or facts of this case. The language was promoted by the Republicans, has nothing to do with a tax increase and Republicans are in control of Alabama's state legislature.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_House_of_Representatives
Republicans 64
Democrats 40
Independents 1

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_State_Senate
Republicans 22
Democrats 12
Independents 1
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Well, you gotta keep reading, in my next post, I clarified that I had researched this and corrected what I said in this post. Yes, I understand Republicans now control the Alabama legislature. And the very same proposition that came up in 2004, has been proposed again with one change, as I stipulated above. Catch up with the conversation, then you can make an informed response and not look like a goob.
 
Dixie said:
Back to the subject of the thread...Do we continue adding to it, or is it time to rewrite the mofo entirely?
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WinterBorn said:
Our state constitution is one of the largest, most amended constitutions in the world. They should write a new one from scratch. I also believe that the attempt to remove the segregationist language is a waste of time and taxpayer money, since the actual segregation issue has been taken care of decades ago. Changing the language in the state constitution accomplished nothing.
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has nothing to do with a tax increase
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Has EVERYTHING to do with establishing the Constitutional basis for levying or not levying a school tax at the state level. Has NOTHING to do with the language which is now obsolete and irrelevant.
 
Dixie said:
Reading further on this, I have discovered this version is a revamp of the 2004 version without the tax increase language, and THAT is why Democrats now oppose the very same proposition they supported in 2004. It's a matter of "turn about is fair play." In 2004, the added provision was to declare that public education was a right, thereby paving the way for a massive school tax increase... that was why it was strongly opposed and rejected. So now, they have taken that provision and reversed it, and the same people who supported it in 2004, are now opposed to it. This PROVES the proposition has nothing to do with removing the offensive language, and everything to do with installing language which will enable a massive school tax. The voters will decide.
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Yes, as was pointed out in the original post, the article and in my response, in response to desegregation the racists in Alabama sought to eliminate public education and put language in their Constitution to segregate their schools. Both are artifacts of the segregation era.

No tax would be increased by removing the language. That is a lie or just another innacuracy.

So you are only 8 years behind in knowing what's going on there or is this the first time you turned on that decaying piece of crap you call a brain in that time? No matter, once again you have shown everyone your capacity for quickly shoving your foot in your mouth. At least this time you corrected PART of your inaccurate nonsense.
 
Dixie said:
Well there is nothing anyone can do about their history. Sorry, we're not going to crawl in a hole and die because of our past. Wish we could make that happen for ya, but it's not gonna. So what we can do, is move forward and stop looking back at the past, and realize the mistakes we made, with the resolve to not make the same mistakes again. No one has to "pay the price" for past mistakes. The fact that you seem to think that is the case, reveals a level of bigoted hatred in your own heart, and that's something I can't ever fix, so I won't worry about it much.

As much as I am tempted to support the proposition this time, I still can't support it on principle. I want the State of Alabama to hold a constitutional convention and rewrite the whole damn thing, and adding 30 more amendments is not the direction I want to take at this time. As I said, if they want to give me a proposition to simply remove the offensive language and nothing more, I'll support that, as will about 90% of the state, but that hasn't been proposed.
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But right now the sons of Alabama are dishonest, lying, racist tards. That was a key part of 3d's point.
 
\\((|))// said:
A wise decision, since you don't seem to have any evidence of Alabama's progressive nature.
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I have lived in the south most of my life. I have travelled all over the country, but prefer the southeast. That I have not offered any evidence of Alabama's progressive side does not mean it does not exist. I simply learned not to try and argue with those so ignorant as to believe the stereotypes of southern culture.

If you choose to believe the stereotypes that will be your own problem.
 
Dixie said:
Back to the subject of the thread...

In 2004, the Democrat-controlled Alabama legislature tried to pass a proposition which basically did two things:

1) Remove segregation-era language from the Constitution.
2) Establish that public education is a Constitutional right. (so they could enact a massive school tax)

In 2012, the (now) Republican-controlled Alabama legislature is trying to pass a proposition which basically does two things:

1) Remove the segregation-era language from the Constitution.
2) Establish that public education is NOT a Constitutional right. (so there can never be a school tax)

In both cases, those who favor the bill, claim opposition is "racist" because they don't want to remove segregation-era language from the Constitution, which has no bearing on anything since it's obsolete.

Then there is the issue of the longest state constitution in the world. (800+ pages) Do we continue adding to it, or is it time to rewrite the mofo entirely? Whether the latest incarnation of the proposition will pass or not, remains to be seen, but we can clearly see this is not really about the segregation-era language at all.
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The entirety of the language was part of your state's racist past and put in to thwart the segregation ruling of the court. You would know this by now if you were capable of reading and thinking clearly.

I don't care where you got your degree. You do not understand basic math (1/3), have little understanding of history (argued that Florida was not part of Confederacy) and you routinely show an inability to comprehend simple news items. You can't think on your feet or do your own thinking. You either stopped using that lump long ago or you have pickled it.
 
Dixie said:
Well, you gotta keep reading, in my next post, I clarified that I had researched this and corrected what I said in this post. Yes, I understand Republicans now control the Alabama legislature. And the very same proposition that came up in 2004, has been proposed again with one change, as I stipulated above. Catch up with the conversation, then you can make an informed response and not look like a goob.
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It was in the original post and article. You were the one that was behind from the start.
 
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