Reagan budget director...Romney not a businessman

how much of the solondra money went into a caymen island bank account for Obama?


Your candidate is a corporate raider.

That is how he made his vast amount of money.

He could have been anything in the world practically.


He could have gone to school for anything anywhere with the family money.



He CHOSE to be a corporate raider.
 
how much of the solondra money went into a caymen island bank account for Obama?
Your candidate is a corporate raider.
That is how he made his vast amount of money.
He could have been anything in the world practically.
He could have gone to school for anything anywhere with the family money.
He CHOSE to be a corporate raider.

You are a fucking idiot that has no idea what a corporate raider is. Bain took over failing companies and tried to make them successful. That is not a corporate raider Desh. You are simply spouting the left wing nonsense that Obama has spoon fed you in an attempt to make Romney out as some boogeyman. It worked quite well. The lemmings on the left bought into it 100%, which is why they continue to spout the same nonsense you, Tom and Bfgrn are doing on this thread.

But you don't care about the actual FACTS nor do you care about the TRUTH... do you Desh??? You just want to spew forth your ignorant hate.
 
The Facts


1. What was Romney’s involvement?
Romney was the chief executive of Bain Capital, which essentially started out as a venture capitalist (providing seed money for companies such as Staples) and then moved into the more lucrative realm of private equity. In private equity, Bain would take direct ownership of the company, often with current management, in a deal largely financed by debt.
In the case of Ampad, described in a UPI article at the time as having “earned of small profit in 1991,” Bain bought it in 1992 from Mead Corp., which was trying to cut costs at the time, with the intention of combining it with other paper firms. Bain invested $5 million, but the bulk of the purchase was financed by a $35 million loan.
Here’s how Mergers & Acquisitions Report described the deal under the headline, “Bain Capital Kicks Off Office Products Consolidation Play.”

Bain Capital is targeting sales growth for Ampad of 15%-25% a year, roughly 50% of which will be accomplished through acquisitions, [Bain executive Marc] Wolpow said. The acquisitions could range in size from a $10-15 million purchase of a single product line to an acquisition two to three times the size of Ampad, Wolpow said.​
The idea is to capitalize on the shift that is currently occurring in distribution of office supplies, he added. "With the advent of Staples and Office Warehouse, we've seen a dislocation of small distributors," Wolpow explained. "Large distributors are consolidating as we move toward a more efficient distribution of office products."​
Bain Capital runs three equity funds with a total of $200 million in capital. The combined portfolio of the funds includes 40 companies. "We are trying to identify companies where value can be created through increased operating earnings, either by improving operations or increasing revenues," Wolpow explained.​
Note the last part of Wolpow’s comment — “improving operations” means greater efficiencies, which can mean fewer jobs.
Romney never served on the board of Ampad (later renamed American Pad and Paper). Instead, other Bain executives such as Wolpow did. Romney was running Bain at the time the strategy was launched, though he later took off time for the Senate race and left Bain for good in 1999. Romney was regarded as a hands-on manager, but he was in charge of the whole enterprise – some 40 companies.

2. Why did the workers lose their jobs?
One of the plants purchased by Ampad was in Marion, Ind., which had once been owned by Smith Corona. Literally on the day of the takeover, workers were all told they had lost their jobs but could reapply, often at lower wages and poorer health-care benefits. Bain was trying to make this company more efficient, and did so in a brutal fashion.
The transaction took place in July, 1994, when Romney was running for the Senate seat. He first claimed he was not involved in the transaction, but Wolpow was quoted in 2002 as saying that as chief executive, Romney was responsible for decisions made by Bain employees.
To maximize profits at Ampad, Wolpow told the Boston Globe, “we implemented an aggressive plant closing and cost-cutting program.”
“Mitt’s employees executed that transaction. We carried out the business plan. He was CEO of the firm,” Wolpow said. “I reported directly to Mitt Romney ... You can’t be CEO of Bain Capital and say, ‘I really don't know what my guys were doing.’ ”
Wolpow, who left Bain in 1999 when Romney left to help run the Olympics, now runs a private equity firm, Audax Group. He declined to comment on the Ampad transaction this week.
The workers in Marion went on strike and Ampad eventually shut down the plant. Charles Hanson, Ampad’s president, said the Dallas-based firm “regretted” its decision but said it was necessary because the company “has sustained severe economic damage as a result of our inability to manufacture products at our Marion plant,” according to a Boston Globe account.

3. What was Bain’s return on investment?
The Ampad deal turned out to be very lucrative for Bain Capital. Out of that $5 million investment, the firm earned $107 million, according to a Bain prospectus obtained last year by the Los Angeles Times.
The Boston Globe also tracked the deal in a fascinating graphic, showing both Bain’s gains and the company’s increasing debt load. The biggest payday for Bain was when the company sold shares to the public in 1996, which allowed Bain to sell some of its shares and reap about $45 million. (It still owned about one-third of the company even after the public offering.) Bain, year after year, also earned large fees for providing advice — and even for arranging the public offering of shares.
But the debt load was too much for the company, especially as it came under price pressure by companies such as Staples (another Bain company), and it quickly fell into bankruptcy just a few years later.
4. What’s the context of this particular deal?
The overall record of Bain Capital is a pretty good one, at least for investors. The Wall Street Journal found that Bain under Romney produced about $2.5 billion in gains for investors in 77 deals, on about $1.1 billion invested. But about 22 percent of the companies either filed for bankruptcy or liquidated by the end of the eighth year after Bain invested. “Of the 10 businesses on which Bain investors scored their biggest gains, four later landed in bankruptcy court,” the Wall Street Journal said.
The Ampad deal certainly looks like it turned out bad for the workers and very good for Bain. But that is the nature of the private equity business.
As Howard Anderson, a senior lecturer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Entrepreneurship Center told The Washington Post: “Private equity is a little like sex. When it’s good, it’s very, very good. When it’s bad, it’s still pretty good.”
The big question, for us at least, is whether the story of one company — or a few — in some of Bain’s bad deals should negate a largely positive record of building businesses, sometimes in challenging economic climates. Moreover, as we noted in our fact check of the last Obama video, it is not entirely clear if some of these particular plants would have survived in any case — or as long — without Bain’s investment. One cannot look at each individual case in a vacuum, ignoring broad economic trends or competition that had made these jobs already vulnerable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-bain-capital/2012/05/23/gJQAlHHPlU_blog.html
 
So... what was Mead going to do with that division Tom? Oh yeah, they were going to shut it down. But holy crap, because Bain made money (as did the workers who kept their jobs thanks to Bain) you want to pretend it is a high crime.

If that was the only alternative, which I do not believe by the way, then it might have been better for the workers to have taken decent severance pay-offs rather than reapply for their jobs and receive much worse pay and conditions and be laid off later with piss poor severance terms anyway.

Private equity is considered abhorrent by many as it seems that the company being taken over absorbs most, if not all of the risk, whilst companies like Bain win either way. Is that really the model for the 21st century? Ask yourself why German companies don't tend to indulge in these sort of antics?
 
Tell us how well Obama did with the employees of Solyndra... and with the taxpayers $500 million

Squirel! Solyndra does need to be investigated, but the funny thing about the government is that they protect each other. Look at the many crimes of past administrations that never get prosecuted! The Solyndra affair is at least making its way through the courts. There are countless others that haven't and never will.
 
If that was the only alternative, which I do not believe by the way, then it might have been better for the workers to have taken decent severance pay-offs rather than reapply for their jobs and receive much worse pay and conditions and be laid off later with piss poor severance terms anyway.

LMAO... who said they would have received severance?

The plant you mentioned was part of an acquisition. It was shut down because the workers wanted more than what Ampad was willing to pay. They lost their jobs because they demanded above market wages/benes relative to what other Ampad workers were getting.

Private equity is considered abhorrent by many as it seems that the company being taken over absorbs most, if not all of the risk, whilst companies like Bain win either way. Is that really the model for the 21st century? Ask yourself why German companies don't tend to indulge in these sort of antics?

Yes, the left wing nuts have painted private equity and LBO firms as boogey men for years. Without private equity and LBO firms startups would have a very hard time getting off the ground and struggling firms would not be as likely to be saved, they would simply go under.

Both private equity and LBO firms are necessary. Not every investment is going to work. Again... ask Obama how his investment of tax payer money has been working. How many workers have lost their jobs in Obama's deals?
 
Again Bfgrn... Congress controls the purse strings... as I mentioned in another post he did it along side Reagan and Tip's House. I know left wing nuts refuse to ever acknowledge Congress's part in the budget process, but at least try to read what is written and comprehend it.

Again Bfgrn... both supply side and Keynesian theory work... IF they are implemented correctly. We have seen failure on the parts of both due to the incompetence of the two parties. Burying your head in the sand and shouting 'it's just the other guys' is just what the two parties want you to do. It is what allows them to continue the status quo.

Reagan drove the bus. It was not Congress dragging Reagan over the debt cliff.
 
You should learn how Congress works.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

You should learn history...

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The Myths of Reaganomics

Mises Daily: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 by Murray N. Rothbard

I come to bury Reaganomics, not to praise it.

Government Spending. How well did Reagan succeed in cutting government spending, surely a critical ingredient in any plan to reduce the role of government in everyone's life? In 1980, the last year of free-spending Jimmy Carter the federal government spent $591 billion. In 1986, the last recorded year of the Reagan administration, the federal government spent $990 billion, an increase of 68%. Whatever this is, it is emphatically not reducing government expenditures.

Sophisticated economists say that these absolute numbers are an unfair comparison, that we should compare federal spending in these two years as percentage of gross national product. But this strikes me as unfair in the opposite direction, because the greater the amount of inflation generated by the federal government, the higher will be the GNP. We might then be complimenting the government on a lower percentage of spending achieved by the government's generating inflation by creating more money. But even taking these percentages of GNP figures, we get federal spending as percent of GNP in 1980 as 21.6%, and after six years of Reagan, 24.3%. A better comparison would be percentage of federal spending to net private product, that is, production of the private sector. That percentage was 31.1% in 1980, and a shocking 34.3% in 1986. So even using percentages, the Reagan administration has brought us a substantial increase in government spending.

Also, the excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget.

Deficits. The next, and admittedly the most embarrassing, failure of Reaganomic goals is the deficit. Jimmy Carter habitually ran deficits of $40-50 billion and, by the end, up to $74 billion; but by 1984, when Reagan had promised to achieve a balanced budget, the deficit had settled down comfortably to about $200 billion, a level that seems to be permanent, despite desperate attempts to cook the figures in one-shot reductions.

This is by far the largest budget deficit in American history. It is true that the $50 billion deficits in World War II were a much higher percentage of the GNP; but the point is that that was a temporary, one-shot situation, the product of war finance. But the war was over in a few years; and the current federal deficits now seem to be a recent, but still permanent part of the American heritage.

One of the most curious, and least edifying, sights in the Reagan era was to see the Reaganites completely change their tune of a lifetime. At the very beginning of the Reagan administration, the conservative Republicans in the House of Representatives, convinced that deficits would disappear immediately, received a terrific shock when they were asked by the Reagan administration to vote for the usual annual increase in the statutory debt limit. These Republicans, some literally with tears in their eyes, protested that never in their lives had they voted for an increase in the national debt limit, but they were doing it just this one time because they "trusted Ronald Reagan" to balance the budget from then on. The rest, alas, is history, and the conservative Republicans never saw fit to cry again. Instead, they found themselves adjusting rather easily to the new era of huge permanent deficits. The Gramm-Rudman law, allegedly designed to eradicate deficits in a few years, has now unsurprisingly bogged down in enduring confusion.

The Myths of Reaganomics - Murray N. Rothbard - Mises Daily

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How Congress works, especially lately, is based on the party of Congress and the President.

While Polarization has certainly increased in the last decade, the above has always been the case. Though I certainly grant you it is more extreme. Which leads me to reiterate the need for we the people to rise up again. We need to demand that our respective states draw the House districts in squares/rectangles based on population. All these safe seats that have been created on the left and right are consequently providing us with more and more extreme House members. This has increased the polarization.
 
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

You should learn history...

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The Myths of Reaganomics

Mises Daily: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 by Murray N. Rothbard

I come to bury Reaganomics, not to praise it.

Government Spending. How well did Reagan succeed in cutting government spending, surely a critical ingredient in any plan to reduce the role of government in everyone's life? In 1980, the last year of free-spending Jimmy Carter the federal government spent $591 billion. In 1986, the last recorded year of the Reagan administration, the federal government spent $990 billion, an increase of 68%. Whatever this is, it is emphatically not reducing government expenditures.

Sophisticated economists say that these absolute numbers are an unfair comparison, that we should compare federal spending in these two years as percentage of gross national product. But this strikes me as unfair in the opposite direction, because the greater the amount of inflation generated by the federal government, the higher will be the GNP. We might then be complimenting the government on a lower percentage of spending achieved by the government's generating inflation by creating more money. But even taking these percentages of GNP figures, we get federal spending as percent of GNP in 1980 as 21.6%, and after six years of Reagan, 24.3%. A better comparison would be percentage of federal spending to net private product, that is, production of the private sector. That percentage was 31.1% in 1980, and a shocking 34.3% in 1986. So even using percentages, the Reagan administration has brought us a substantial increase in government spending.

Also, the excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget.

Deficits. The next, and admittedly the most embarrassing, failure of Reaganomic goals is the deficit. Jimmy Carter habitually ran deficits of $40-50 billion and, by the end, up to $74 billion; but by 1984, when Reagan had promised to achieve a balanced budget, the deficit had settled down comfortably to about $200 billion, a level that seems to be permanent, despite desperate attempts to cook the figures in one-shot reductions.

This is by far the largest budget deficit in American history. It is true that the $50 billion deficits in World War II were a much higher percentage of the GNP; but the point is that that was a temporary, one-shot situation, the product of war finance. But the war was over in a few years; and the current federal deficits now seem to be a recent, but still permanent part of the American heritage.

One of the most curious, and least edifying, sights in the Reagan era was to see the Reaganites completely change their tune of a lifetime. At the very beginning of the Reagan administration, the conservative Republicans in the House of Representatives, convinced that deficits would disappear immediately, received a terrific shock when they were asked by the Reagan administration to vote for the usual annual increase in the statutory debt limit. These Republicans, some literally with tears in their eyes, protested that never in their lives had they voted for an increase in the national debt limit, but they were doing it just this one time because they "trusted Ronald Reagan" to balance the budget from then on. The rest, alas, is history, and the conservative Republicans never saw fit to cry again. Instead, they found themselves adjusting rather easily to the new era of huge permanent deficits. The Gramm-Rudman law, allegedly designed to eradicate deficits in a few years, has now unsurprisingly bogged down in enduring confusion.


LMAO...

1) Yes, Reagan and Tip worked together to get proposals that were close together. So the end result was indeed going to be close when looking at their proposals. Now show us the budget proposal of Reagan vs. the ACTUAL spending of Congress.

2) The national debt under Reagan went up about $1.6T, the same for Clinton, Bush Sr. raised it $1.4T in four years, W raised it about $5T and Obama has added about another $5T (in four years)

3) Why does he stop his analysis in 1986???
 
Also... you might want to not use someone who hates free-market capitalism as the source for your charts... it tends to discredit him to a large degree.
 
LMAO...

1) Yes, Reagan and Tip worked together to get proposals that were close together. So the end result was indeed going to be close when looking at their proposals. Now show us the budget proposal of Reagan vs. the ACTUAL spending of Congress.

2) The national debt under Reagan went up about $1.6T, the same for Clinton, Bush Sr. raised it $1.4T in four years, W raised it about $5T and Obama has added about another $5T (in four years)

3) Why does he stop his analysis in 1986???

I just DID...

Conservatives are embarrassed by the way Reagan and the Bushes ran the debt up and out of control. So they have invented a cover story: The Democratic Congress did it. I have run into this lie dozens of times. So, I dug deep to set the record straight.

As the figure shows, Reagan and Bush senior got almost exactly the budgets they requested in each of their 12 budget years.

Reagan:
The first budget — passed by all Republicans and a few conservative Southern Democrats.
This increased the debt by $144 Billion.
The next 5 budgets — passed by the Republican Senate and signed by Reagan.
The last 2 budgets — passed by a Democratic Congress
Totaled slightly less than Reagan requested.
G. H. W. Bush:
Democratic Congresses under Bush passed smaller budgets than he requested in 3 out of 4 years.
These four Democratic budgets totaled $14.6 Billion less than Bush requested.
G. W. Bush:
The first two budgets — Senate was split 50/50 and the House was Democratic.
Bipartisan and totaled $20 Billion less than Bush requested.
The biggest cause of deficits was Bush's enormous tax cut, mainly for the rich.
The next 4 budgets — the Congress was solid Republican.
The last 2 budgets — Bush vetoed modest Democratic attempts at spending.

In summary: Democrats controlled Congress during 8 out the 20 years. During 4 of those years, Democrats decreased the budgets proposed by the Republican presidents. Their total effect during those 8 years was to reduce Republican budgets by $17 Billion (which is only 0.2%).

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HOW federal budgets work...

The Budget of the United States Government is the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it. A vetoed bill is sent back to Congress, which can pass it into law with a two-thirds majority in each chamber. Congress may also combine all or some appropriations bills into an omnibus reconciliation bill. In addition, the president may request and the Congress may pass supplemental appropriations bills or emergency supplemental appropriations bills. - wiki
 
I just DID...

No you did not. You posted some quotes by a guy who has a dislike for free market capitalism. You are not showing the actual data. Why is that?

There is no cover story... Congress controls the budget. That is a fact. The President can veto it, but it is Congress that passes it. The point is not that Reagan didn't run up debt, he did, just that the left proclaiming it was Reagan while ignoring the part of Tip and the Dems in Congress is laughable.

Especially when they try to use the Reagan budget director as some sort of expert against Romney.
 
LMAO... who said they would have received severance?

The plant you mentioned was part of an acquisition. It was shut down because the workers wanted more than what Ampad was willing to pay. They lost their jobs because they demanded above market wages/benes relative to what other Ampad workers were getting.



Yes, the left wing nuts have painted private equity and LBO firms as boogey men for years. Without private equity and LBO firms startups would have a very hard time getting off the ground and struggling firms would not be as likely to be saved, they would simply go under.

Both private equity and LBO firms are necessary. Not every investment is going to work. Again... ask Obama how his investment of tax payer money has been working. How many workers have lost their jobs in Obama's deals?

I think you are confusing venture capitalism with private equity, nobody is against a company that puts significant amounts of its own capital into a venture or startup. I wonder why Germany which is so successful doesn't feel the need to play casino capitalism like Americans and to a lesser extent Brits?
 
I think you are confusing venture capitalism with private equity, nobody is against a company that puts significant amounts of its own capital into a venture or startup. I wonder why Germany which is so successful doesn't feel the need to play casino capitalism like Americans and to a lesser extent Brits?

after reading this post, i don't think you know the difference.
 
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