Romney loses, what now for Republicans?

morf13 said:
We have a GOP house, 30 GOP governors, and the popular vote is going to go republican. Somehow, Obama has defied gravity and has gotten 2 terms in a republican country.

I am not trying to play the race card, but am calling it as I see it, Obama was voted for by overwhelming numbers if blacks, again who voted for race instead of on issues. Again, if Obamas black voters voted on issues, they would have voted against 14% unemployment and 50 million people on food stamps. Obama won the youth vote who voted for the hip " rock star". Most of these 18-24 year olds live with mommy & daddy still, and don't know what it means to pay bills, or feed your kids,etc...I personally would love to see minimum voting age be 22.

I just am a little confused about the state of things
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Perhaps I can shed some light on your thinking. We'll start with your comment, "...Obama was voted for by overwhelming numbers if blacks, again who voted for race instead of on issues."

They did vote on issues. Issues like blacks make up the majority of prisoners. Issues like more blacks are unemployed. Issues like more blacks being unemployed and poor means more blacks don't have medical insurance and needlessly suffer.

Then we have the comment, "Most of these 18-24 year olds live with mommy & daddy still, and don't know what it means to pay bills, or feed your kids,etc..."

They do know companies are sitting on huge profits while telling them there isn't any trainee openings. They do know that if they left mommy & daddy they'd probably end up with a part time job with no benefits and the Republicans would like nothing better than to squash Obamacare thereby stripping them of their health coverage under their parent's plan.

Then there's the 18-24 year old females and one party wanting to make laws concerning their reproductive system and defining what is and isn't a "legitimate" rape.

Voting for Obama because he is a "rock star" or voting for Obama because of things so fundamental as health and sex? Rather than look after our youth the Repubs would prefer, on one hand, to dictate their reproductive choices and, one the other hand, not give a damn about their health and welfare.

The 18-24 year olds may be a lot of things but crazy isn't one of them. They may not sit down at the dinner table and have a conversation about world affairs but they know what's going on. They know they live in a country where one party actively supports taking advantage of them. Hell, one prominent member of said party actually advocated the school curriculum include Toilet Bowl Cleaning-101. Sort of a learn and earn program. Rather than have social programs to ensure poor families have the basic necessities their idea was the extra money from child labor could be used to support the family.

What confuses me is what kind of human being would vote for such a party? Do they really find such abhorrent ideas to be good or do they feel that's the way the world works and they have no choice? I'm hoping it's a case of them not believing change is possible. At least they can be shown. My worry is they find the present way quite acceptable. If that's the case I suppose that's what constitutes true conservatism.
 
cawacko said:
So morf I have to ask, what the fuck were you thinking claiming Romney was going to win PA? Was there some data you were going off of or were you literally speaking out of your ass?
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It certainly seemed that the momentum was building for a possible victory there. In the end, Mitt came up short. How much data was there to support Obama winning FL? Very little over the past month. The bottom line is there are surprises in most elections, and I think we were counting on PA being one of those surprises.
 
morf13 said:
We have a GOP house, 30 GOP governors, and the popular vote is going to go republican. Somehow, Obama has defied gravity and has gotten 2 terms in a republican country.
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Sorry, but it is not a republican country. Just because almost half of the voters routinely support the party that works for 1% of the population doesn't make it a republican country. It makes it a stupid country.
I am not trying to play the race card, but am calling it as I see it, Obama was voted for by overwhelming numbers if blacks, again who voted for race instead of on issues. Again, if Obamas black voters voted on issues, they would have voted against 14% unemployment and 50 million people on food stamps.
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They did vote against high black unemployment and record #s of people on food stamps. Do you have any idea what the black unemployment rate was when Obama first took office? Romney's plan to fix the economy was the exact same plan which threw almost 50% of blacks out of work in the first place.


Obama won the youth vote who voted for the hip " rock star". Most of these 18-24 year olds live with mommy & daddy still, and don't know what it means to pay bills, or feed your kids,etc...I personally would love to see minimum voting age be 22.
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Seriously, learn something will you! The brazen attempts to dis-enfranchise voters all across the entire country DID NOT GO UNNOTICED, and certainly played a role in swinging the undecided vote to Obama. Really. Win fair and square or drop the bullshit.

I just am a little confused about the state of things
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Yes, that is very obvious. You are confused about the nature of the party you support, you are confused over which party is fiscally conservative and you are especially confused over why the GOP was soundly rejected.
 
cannabis said:
hopefully they will move away from their far right social positions and get back to being old school republicans
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???....we just went through this election cycle talking about nothing but economic issues and you think the problem is far right social issues?......what exactly do you think "old school republican" means?
 
morf13 said:
The writing is on the wall and Obama will beat Romney. I still think that Romney likely wins the popular vote.

Obama was running under 50% approval. The unemployment rate has run at 8% for almost 4 years, 50 million people on food stamps. Exit polls showed that stopping Obamacare is favored by voters. Romney was favored as far as who can help the economy more. So with all these unfavorables for Obama what carried Obama to a win?

I have my own opinion, and my opinions may sound harsh, but they are true. What put Obama over was the black vote and the young 18-22 year old vote. Personally, I am bothered greatly because I will bet 90% of these black voters never voted before Obama was a candidate, and most voted based on skin color and not on issues. I will use the 14% unemployment rate among blacks to back me up. The young voters, I fear vote for the "rock star", and don't really vote on the issues.

This question is mainly for fellow republicans? What do we do as a party? If the democrats keep putting hip rock star black candidates, they will lock up the young & black vote.

What do we do to be competitive, as a party? For me, it's clear, we have to fight fire with fire. We need to develop young republicans, and go after young vote. We need to develop black strong candidates to take part of the black vote.

Obama will now have a dem controlled senate, so if he fails he has no excuses. Here is my fear, and I hope I am wrong-


1- I fear Obamacare is going to be a crippling and devastating blow to our country. We will not have enough to pay for it. I don't even want to think about it.

2- our natl debt is going to bury us, and we will not be able to dig out

3- energy costs will continue to climb

4- a recession or depression is coming

5- untold threats around the world and Iran nuclear dilemma

I predict that by the end of Obamas next term, this country will deeply regret reelecting him. Again, I hope I am wrong but many republicans agree with me. Again, Romney will likely win the popular vote, which brings up the entire electoral college argument, which is a whole separate thread. But bottom line, more people will have voted against Obama than voted for him. That's a very divided country.

I am putting country before party, and again, I bet the country will regret electing Obama. I don't want to be right if it means the country is going to drop into an abyss.

So back to plans for the future, what does the Republican Party do for the future? We need to start the planning & process now. Please share your thoughts and ideas
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The reality is, Republicans can hang on to the the old, tired, 19th century Jim Crow values of the south that you represent, or they can move forward and awy from people like you. If they don't, they risk becoming a permanent minority.
 
Practice this phrase dummies: Rape is rape.

Learn it. Repeat it until it's second nature and you stop wanting to say "if the bitches kept their legs closed" and "some bitches rape easy" etc etc.

Rape is rape.

The Senate would look very different today if only you bastards could learn that one thing.

But you won't. Slapping the bitches is just way too much fun. Enjoy.

But remember; it's 2012.

The bitches slap back.

How did you like that wallop? We got more.
 
The issues I brought up are valid issues, and with such a very close popular vote, others are thinking the same thing. The dem party is supported by the likes of Springsteen, Clooney, Madonna and Jay z. These people are hypocritical, they rally against the "rich and powerful" republicans for being out of touch, yet the biggest choices these people have is which Bentley to drive or which mansion to go to.

Bottom line, this guy now has his Senatorial majority, and Obamacare. My projection, is he runs this country into the ground, and 4 years from now, Republicans cruise to victory, but at the expense of the good of our country. That being said, we need to go to the middle more. We need to get minority votes since there are less and less white voters every year.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh yea! How bout this address. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!! Hows that work for you? LOL
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ah, you mistake gloating for debating?......the only thing new there is that for a brief moment you have something to gloat about......Obama now has 60 days to come up with a solution for the budget crisis he's been putting off for the last four years......how's that looking for you.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???....we just went through this election cycle talking about nothing but economic issues and you think the problem is far right social issues?......what exactly do you think "old school republican" means?
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???, are you completely unaware? Your party focused almost entirely on abortion! In fact, NO PLAN whatsoever to deal with the economy was put forth by Mitt, with the exception of one proven not only to not work, but to actually increase the deficit, while gutting social services. :palm: Why do you think you were so soundly trounced? Idiot.
 
morf13 said:
The issues I brought up are valid issues, and with such a very close popular vote, others are thinking the same thing. The dem party is supported by the likes of Springsteen, Clooney, Madonna and Jay z. These people are hypocritical, they rally against the "rich and powerful" republicans for being out of touch, yet the biggest choices these people have is which Bentley to drive or which mansion to go to.

Bottom line, this guy now has his Senatorial majority, and Obamacare. My projection, is he runs this country into the ground, and 4 years from now, Republicans cruise to victory, but at the expense of the good of our country. That being said, we need to go to the middle more. We need to get minority votes since there are less and less white voters every year.
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Hey shithead! I tried being nice.
Listen up.
The GOP is dying, and you are a big part of the reason. Wake the fuck up. Every "valid" point you made has been thoroughly refuted in your own thread!
Go back and read your thread again, only this time, when your eyes start glazing over, read the sentence causing the glazing again, and understand the truth.
 
morf13 said:
We have a GOP house, 30 GOP governors, and the popular vote is going to go republican. Somehow, Obama has defied gravity and has gotten 2 terms in a republican country.

I am not trying to play the race card, but am calling it as I see it, Obama was voted for by overwhelming numbers if blacks, again who voted for race instead of on issues. Again, if Obamas black voters voted on issues, they would have voted against 14% unemployment and 50 million people on food stamps. Obama won the youth vote who voted for the hip " rock star". Most of these 18-24 year olds live with mommy & daddy still, and don't know what it means to pay bills, or feed your kids,etc...I personally would love to see minimum voting age be 22.

I just am a little confused about the state of things
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the minimum age was lowered to 18 because of the draft, what was said was, that if someone was old enough to be killed for their country, they should be able to vote
 
PostmodernProphet said:
??....have you seen a dem come up with an address?......
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Yes, I have. The idea that kids who came to America when they were young and grew up here should have a chance to obtain citizenship. It's complete lunacy to deport them after having been educated here. Deportation is just one example of the Conservative mindset which is, "it's always been done that way so keep doing it."
 
the gop needs to expand its base because its current base is shrinking

currently, it has two groups that make most of its base, older white males and the religious right

it needs to learn to appeal to the growing non-white voters

it needs to learn to appeal more to women

those two voting blocks gave obama his victory

the other thing that helped defeat them was the rich and powerful trying to buy the election, it turned off more people than it attracted

another thing that motivated some voters was the gop attempts to disenfranchise the young, minorities and the elderly

also, it did not help that mittens advisers were mainly former bush advisers and offered the same failed policies that bush used that led the nation in to the worst economic times since the great depression

and last but not least, the unprecedented use of the filibuster in the senate

i used to be a rep until the party was hijacked by the religious right, that happened in calif and just about destroyed the rep party in ca
 
morf13 said:
The issues I brought up are valid issues, and with such a very close popular vote, others are thinking the same thing.
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Yes, others are thinking the same thing because others have listened to the lies for far too long. Take ObamaCare. For anyone to say, to even suggest or hint at the idea improving the health and, consequently, the lifespan of the citizens is in some way detrimental to a country is first class lunacy. The idea is so bizarre it's beyond comprehension not to mention every statistic, without exception, shows that every country with some form of government intervention in medical care results in huge savings. Furthermore, the citizens in said countries, without exception, support their individual plans. Saving money and happy citizens. What more does one seek?

The dem party is supported by the likes of Springsteen, Clooney, Madonna and Jay z. These people are hypocritical, they rally against the "rich and powerful" republicans for being out of touch, yet the biggest choices these people have is which Bentley to drive or which mansion to go to.
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They rally against the wealthy not contributing more. As for people quipping, "If they feel that way why don't they give all their money away" the Repubs would like nothing better than to have those folks poor and unable to attend events.

Bottom line, this guy now has his Senatorial majority, and Obamacare. My projection, is he runs this country into the ground, and 4 years from now, Republicans cruise to victory, but at the expense of the good of our country. That being said, we need to go to the middle more. We need to get minority votes since there are less and less white voters every year.
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The bottom line is let Obama get on with his agenda. ObamaCare needs some tweaking. Let him deal with international affairs and stop all this war mongering talk and as to the huge deficit close loopholes and raise taxes as necessary. Every advanced country has some form of medical care. Imagine the money that would be freed up if no one had to save for a major illness. How can anyone say they have sufficient money when they don't know if or when an illness will strike? One hundred thousand? Five hundred thousand? A couple of million? Imagine all the money the average middle aged person has put away for "medical emergencies". How many sons and daughters could use that money to buy their first home or get an education? What increase in tax would be acceptable if one was assured that no matter what happened they would receive medical care without paying anything out of pocket? From a broken leg to full time living in a care facility there would be no out of pocket expenses. The sick, the injured, the poor are looked after.

Other countries do it and they save over 1/3 the current US cost AND life expectancy is equal to or greater than in the US.

Let Obama do his job. That's all that's required.
 
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