Capitalism should be called Marketalism

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wiseones2cents

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OK. I have made an argument that most rich people gained their money deceitfully, one way or another. Every rich person I asked, justified this.

Finally I meet a wealthy Christian. I'm thinking surely this guy made his money honestly. Turns out? He told me he worked for the Philipino type CIA. They would bust drug dealers that were not part of their trafficking ring, and then give the drugs to him to push them. Nice hey?

This guy although owns a million dollar home is the cheapest guy you will ever meet. He shops at places like goodwill and Salvation army, basically places that are meant to aid the less fortunate. He buys everything either on line from China or does border shopping in the US.

And the gas to get there? Well he took me and another guy on a fishing trip. With his car. What did he charge us each for gas? $17!!!! Between three people thats $51. There is NO WAY we spent $51 of gas. I go a few days later with a friend of mine? Total gas? $24. $12 each between the two of us. This idiot not only didn't put in his fair share? We paid for his shopping!

Now we had another argument on the other board. We were talking about personal responsibility. I stated that a major problem is that people live beyond thier means(and most agreed). If they only stopped buying things they didn't need and saved, most would be ok(not in todays age since the cost of living is ridiculous).

Now here is the catch. If people did this? Capitalism would be a total failure, as capitalism depends on people to consume. Spend, Spend, Spend. People are being marketted aggressively. Especially dumb people. Do you ever see these infomercials?lol When they say "oh and we are not payed actors" as they read from a cue card?lol You have to be really stupid to beleive them!

Ads will lie to you in order to get you to buy!

Credit allows people to live beyond their means. The banks dont care because the money is made of thin air. The companies dont care because its money in their pocket. But someone has to pay the losses(which are in reality no losses at all), and that is the tax payer/consumer.

This guy even stated. I like to market people, fool them into buying the most expensive thing with the highest markup. I dont want him to buy cheap. But he later explains you have to market people but not be marketted your self.

Here is an example of Marketting.

Canada's Supreme court stripped Pfizer of it's viagara patent. And started selling a generic version for much cheaper. Pfizer claimned it wasn't as effective as their brand. Though studies show that they are exactly the same and this is just a marketting technique by Pfizer to get people to buy their brand. Now Pfizer was forced to lower costs of their brand in Canada.

Here is another example. why does a T-shirt's cost increase by $45 dolalrs because of a $1 Logo? Marketting. These brands are a type of Status in our society, that the wealthy live by. Many youths especially are drawn by these over priced(understatement), aggressively marketted items to be cool and "fit in" usually with the cool crowd that is mostly rich kids......

Here is an example.

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After giving it some thought, it reinforced by belief that the world is all vanity. Why do we buy over priced things and things we dont need? Competition with our neighbours......

Just the other day I went to by a picture frame. $20 I said to myself? Heck that is 2 hours of work for the average person! You can make it your self with alot less time and money. It might not be as fancy(vain) but it will do the job. Then you figure, with the machinery, it probably takes them 20 seconds to make a frame and the wood is dirt cheap. Then why is it $20? Someone is making a ridiculous amount of profit.


I can go on and on with examples but lets start with this.
 
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wiseones2cents said:
OK. I have made an argument that most rich people gained their money deceitfully, one way or another. Every rich person I asked, justified this.

Finally I meet a wealthy Christian. I'm thinking surely this guy made his money honestly. Turns out? He told me he worked for the Philipino type CIA. They would bust drug dealers that were not part of their trafficking ring, and then give the drugs to him to push them. Nice hey?

This guy although owns a million dollar home is the cheapest guy you will ever meet. he shops at places like goodwill and Salvation army, basically places that are meant to aid the less fortunate. He buys everything either on line from China or does border shopping in the US.

And the gas to get there? Well he took me and another guy on a fishing trip. With his car. What did he charge us each for gas? $17!!!! Between three people thats $51. There is NO WAY we spent $51 of gas. I go a few days later with a friend of mine? Total gas? $24. 12 each between the two of us. This idiot not only didn't put in his fair share? We paid for his shopping!

Now we had another argument on the other board. We were talking about perrsonal responsability. I stated that a major problem is that people live beyond thier means(and most agreed). If they only stopped buying things they didn't need and saved, most would be ok(not in todays age since the cost of living is ridiculous).

Now here is the catch. If people did this? Capitalism would be a total failure, as capitalism depends on people to consume. Spend, Spend, Spend. People are being marketted aggressively. Especially dumb people. Do you ever see these infomercials?lol When they say "oh and we are not payed actors" as they read from a cue card?lol You have to be really stupid to beleive them!

Ads will lie to you in order to get you to buy!

Credit allows people to live beyond their means. The banks dont care because the money is made of thin air. The companies dont care because its money in their pocket. But someone has to pay the losses(which are in reality no losses at all), and that is the tax payer/consumer.

This guy even stated. I like to market people, fool them into buying the most expensive thing with the highest markup. I dont want him to buy cheap. But he later explains you have to market people but not be marketted your self.

Here is an example of Marketting.

Canada's Supreme court stripped Pfizer of it's viagara patent. And started selling a generic version for much cheaper. Pfizer claimned it wasn't as effective as their brand. Though studies show that they are exactly the same and this is just a marketting technique by Pfizer to get people to buy their brand. Now Pfizer was forced to lower costs of their brand in Canada.

here is another example. why does a T-shirt's cost increase by $45 dolalrs because of a $1 Logo? Marketting. These brands are a type of Status in our society, that the wealthy live by. Many youths especially are drawn by these over priced(understatement), aggressively marketted items.

Here is an example.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530995_392016777548939_713345007_n.jpg


After giving it some thought, it reinforced by belief that the world is all vanity. Why do we buy over priced things and things we dont need? Competition with our neighbours......

Just the other day I went to by a picture frame. $20 I said to myself? Heck that is 2 hours of work for the average person! You can make it your self with alot less time and money. It might not be as fancy(vain) but it will do the job. Then you figure, with the machinery, it probably takes them 20 seconds to make a frame and the wood is dirt cheap. Then why is it $20? Someone is making a ridiculous amount of profit.


I can go on and on with examples but lets start with this.
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There was Socrates. Then there was you, one of the worlds greatest thinkers. It is obvious you have committed all of your mental faculties to this endeavor
 
I Love America said:
There was Socrates. Then there was you, one of the worlds greatest thinkers. It is obvious you have committed all of your mental faculties to this endeavor
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Actually Socrates(The Greek) was most likely an agnostic religious person, just like I am. And yes, I was influenced greatly by his debating style/technique.

Yes I have devoted much time to socially advance the human race. We seem to be in a backslide and caterring to our primitive nature.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Actually Socrates(The Greek) was most likely an agnostic religious person, just like I am. And yes, I was influenced greatly by his debating style/technique.

Yes I have devoted much time to socially advance the human race. We seem to be in a backslide and caterring to our primitive nature.
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Never fear, OWEbama's here. All will be well. Wait.....

All is well. Birds are chirping. We are at full employment. No gobblement dependency. ZERO gobblement debt. Peace in the Middle East. And all due to the wonderment of great thinkers like you and OWEbama.
 
I Love America said:
Never fear, OWEbama's here. All will be well. Wait.....

All is well. Birds are chirping. We are at full employment. No gobblement dependency. ZERO gobblement debt. Peace in the Middle East. And all due to the wonderment of great thinkers like you and OWEbama.
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Even though I do not support any party and I beleive they are both controlled by the super rich? I'd take Obama over Romney ANY DAY! That idiot Romney would have led America into another unwanted, uneccessary war. That is the only thing to explain this idiot wanting to give the Military 2 trillion dollars at a time of economic turmoil. Also considering America spend almost 8X more on it's military then any other country. I guess he wanted to bomb his way out of the recession like the other idiot. GWB! Wars are a great stimulus for a stagnant economy. Though remember. It's blood money......
 
wiseones2cents said:
Even though I do not support any party and I beleive they are both controlled by the super rich? I'd take Obama over Romney ANY DAY! That idiot Romney would have led America into another unwanted, uneccessary war. That is the only thing to explain this idiot wanting to give the Military 2 trillion dollars at a time of economic turmoil. Also considering America spend almost 8X more on it's military then any other country. I guess he wanted to bomb his way out of the recession like the other idiot. GWB! Wars are a great stimulus for a stagnant economy. Though remember. It's blood money......
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Hey puddin, can you take the tinfoil off of your head long enough to learn that OWEdummy got re-elected? Who are you trying to kid? You are an OWEbama dicksucker from way back.

I don't know what you are complaining about, according to OWEbama supporters the last four years have been the best four years in the history of nations. You should be living it up.

Just one last thing, why aren't you giving up your high speed internet and your computer? They obviously aren't "NEEDED" as you say. Aren't you being a little hypocritical?

WOW me with your great thinking Aristotle ;)
 
I Love America said:
Hey puddin, can you take the tinfoil off of your head long enough to learn that OWEdummy got re-elected? Who are you trying to kid? You are an OWEbama dicksucker from way back.

I don't know what you are complaining about, according to OWEbama supporters the last four years have been the best four years in the history of nations. You should be living it up.

Just one last thing, why aren't you giving up your high speed internet and your computer? They obviously aren't "NEEDED" as you say. Aren't you being a little hypocritical?

WOW me with your great thinking Aristotle ;)
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I am well aware that Obama got re-elected. The better man won! You can smell the stench of the love of money coming from Romney. He would have destroyed the American economy and then headed for China! You know? Where guys like him have been sending those American jobs?

Also considering the mess Obama was left? Even though he didn't create the jobs he said he would? He created more then a significant amount of jobs, given the economic situation(basically you cannot compete with China). Unfortunately he produced those jobs via Stimulus money and this is why he gets a bad grade, but this is nothing compared to what another republican would have done in office.

It is sad that I am not able to access my other debates on another board. Though I basically asked. What would you have done if you were in Obama's place with the mess Bush left you?

Raise taxes?? The Republicans would have been up in arms.

Cut social programs(Like Greece type austerity measures). More rioting in the streets.

He chose to do what all the pigs at the trough(who got him elected) were demanding he do. Feed their fat bellies. Keep spending his way(a la bush) out of the recession.
 
wiseones2cents said:
After giving it some thought, it reinforced by belief that the world is all vanity. Why do we buy over priced things and things we dont need? Competition with our neighbours......

Just the other day I went to by a picture frame. $20 I said to myself? Heck that is 2 hours of work for the average person! You can make it your self with alot less time and money. It might not be as fancy(vain) but it will do the job. Then you figure, with the machinery, it probably takes them 20 seconds to make a frame and the wood is dirt cheap. Then why is it $20? Someone is making a ridiculous amount of profit.


I can go on and on with examples but lets start with this.
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A lot less time and money? Well yes, you might be able to make one for less, but lets see you make 1,000 for less in the same time frame. Can you do that? No, you cannot. Cost of machinery, upkeep, facility, workers, taxes, etc. all factor into price. At the end of the day that $20 picture frame might make $1 for the owner to pocket, and that's a 5% profit margin (pretty damned high), so it's more likely he makes less than $1 per frame sold.
 
Demon Swordsman Crona said:
A lot less time and money? Well yes, you might be able to make one for less, but lets see you make 1,000 for less in the same time frame. Can you do that? No, you cannot. Cost of machinery, upkeep, facility, workers, taxes, etc. all factor into price. At the end of the day that $20 picture frame might make $1 for the owner to pocket, and that's a 5% profit margin (pretty damned high), so it's more likely he makes less than $1 per frame sold.
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Ummmm I dont need 1000. I need ONE! And it is clear that you didn't pay attention to anything I said. Considering they are making volume they should be able to make it MUCH cheaper. There is something DEFINITELY wrong with the capitalist system. You expect the consumer to pay for his fucking machines?
 
The Dude said:
20 percent of millionaires inherit, the other 80 percent earned it like I did.
Dumb2cents!
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I highly doubt 80% earned it ethically. I'd say maybe 5%(MAX)! Earned it honestly. And how did a dumb fuck like you become a millionaire? Selling pot?lol Why dont you tell us!
 
wiseones2cents said:
Ummmm I dont need 1000. I need ONE! And it is clear that you didn't pay attention to anything I said. Considering they are making volume they should be able to make it MUCH cheaper. There is something DEFINITELY wrong with the capitalist system. You expect the consumer to pay for his fucking machines?
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The only thing wrong is your lack of understanding of basic economics and business
 
wiseones2cents said:
Ummmm I dont need 1000. I need ONE! And it is clear that you didn't pay attention to anything I said. Considering they are making volume they should be able to make it MUCH cheaper. There is something DEFINITELY wrong with the capitalist system. You expect the consumer to pay for his fucking machines?
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So you have the required skills to make a picture frame? I doubt that highly, but even in this instance if you do, most do not. Those that do most likely don't have the tools, and even among those that have the skills and the tools, most don't want to. That's how businesses work. You don't want to do something, someone else does. You then pay them to do something for you. Just like someone pays you to do something for them.

Yes the customer pays for the machines, because those machines are made by people who wants others stuff for money. Cost of a good is determined by scarcity of materials, time, tooling (machines), skill required, and availability of all those things. It's why I make more money than welder in a body shop. I can do things he cannot, and therefore the price for my skills is higher. In return for my preforming a service, I must pay for all the shit required to perform it, which means YES the customer has to pay for the machines, the electricity to run the machines, the repair man to fix the machines, the insurance on the machines and the building, the time it takes me to stop whatever else I'm doing and set the machines up for their shit, the accountant I hired to figure all this out, the lawyer to keep me from being sued by dumbasses who hurt themselves, and the time it took for all those employed by me to acquire the skills required for employment.
 
Demon Swordsman Crona said:
So you have the required skills to make a picture frame? I doubt that highly, but even in this instance if you do, most do not. Those that do most likely don't have the tools, and even among those that have the skills and the tools, most don't want to. That's how businesses work. You don't want to do something, someone else does. You then pay them to do something for you. Just like someone pays you to do something for them.
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Aquired skill to make a picture frame??ROTFLOL! What a garbage argument. A 10 year old can make a picture frame if shown how!!Tools to make a picture frame???LOL What do you need? A saw, a tape measure, some sand paper, some nails?LOL

OHHHHH So your saying in order for capitalism to work? People have to be lazy!!!! Capitalists prey on the lazy people. Correct??? If everyone just bothered to fix things themselves, the middle man wouldn't be needed!

Now I can understand if the economy was thriving and people were making so much money they didn't know how to spend it and payed people to do their work(and eventually forgot or didn't teach their kids how to fix things themselves), but in hard times, only an idiot would go to a middleman, unless absolutely necessary.

Yes the customer pays for the machines, because those machines are made by people who wants others stuff for money. Cost of a good is determined by scarcity of materials, time, tooling (machines), skill required, and availability of all those things. It's why I make more money than welder in a body shop. I can do things he cannot, and therefore the price for my skills is higher. In return for my preforming a service, I must pay for all the shit required to perform it, which means YES the customer has to pay for the machines, the electricity to run the machines, the repair man to fix the machines, the insurance on the machines and the building, the time it takes me to stop whatever else I'm doing and set the machines up for their shit, the accountant I hired to figure all this out, the lawyer to keep me from being sued by dumbasses who hurt themselves, and the time it took for all those employed by me to acquire the skills required for employment.
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More garbage argument. Back in the day when businessmen opened up a business, they actually HAD the money to buy the machinery. Therefore all you would be paying for is whatever profit the owner thought he could get away(depending on the competition).

Today business men open up businesses with no money and all loans! Then in order to pay for the loan they have to put the cost(of the machine + interest) in the price of their product! How they compete with someone that buys it full out? They cant, unless they are doing something illegal on the side. And when it is said and done? It doesn't belong to the people that payed for it, it belongs to the businessman! That's not right!

Now when you factor in technology? They said that thanks to technology, our work weeks would be reduced to 4 and then 3 because everything would be so cheap and no one would have to work so much. Boy were they wrong! It seems that technology has enslaved us rather then make life easier on the common man.

You have a machine that can spit out 1000's of frames in an hour, you'd think he'd be able to afford to sell it for cheaper then what it would take someone to do it manually. But NOOOOOOOO!!!!Thanks to something called human greed! Think about how much that business man is saving on labour, and since he is buying volume, probably getting wood cheaper then the average man.

I believe that everyone should take a mechanics, electricians, carpentry course, etc...in school. That is what socialism is all about! Teaching you how to do it yourself! Helping each other out, but not for profit!!!

Sharing information! Capitalism makes you pay for information(higher education)!

Though thanks to the internet? You can find anything on line. Want to know how to install breaks in your car or change your water pump? Go to the net and its there! More and more people will be eliminating the middleman. Mechanics, Electricians, ect....and there goes capitalism, UNLESS they greatly reduce their fees. Heck I know a mechanic that owns 4 homes payed off!!!!

Plus there are so many do it your self kits!!!!

All the bad things you mentioned about running a business are part of the Capitalist system.lol Say bye, bye to capitalism. :)
 
Demon Swordsman Crona said:
Can you back up anything you spout with evidence? Who defines what is ethical and what is not? Isn't that a subjective standard?
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Well you'd have get them to admit it in public. Over charging, out right lying to the customer, cheating the customer, etc... Heck most businessmen I know are ex drug dealers. Where do you think they got their inital payment to invest??Maybe you want me to get them to come here and testify and get themselves thrown in jail?lol
 
I Love America said:
The only thing wrong is your lack of understanding of basic economics and business
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I can dance circles around you with my knowledge of economics. The system is clearly corrupt. Too many pigs eating at the pig troughs(getting paid) for doing absolutely nothing. Just living off the sweat, tears and backs of the working class.

Even though economists work to perpetuate the misconception that capitalism is great(because they profit from this system). It doesn't take an Economics major to see there is something wrong with the American economy.

Speaking of an economics major?


“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.”
John Maynard Keynes quote
 
wiseones2cents said:
I can dance circles around you with my knowledge of economics. The system is clearly corrupt. Too many pigs eating at the pig troughs(getting paid) for doing absolutely nothing. Just living off the sweat, tears and backs of the working class.

Even though economists work to perpetuate the misconception that capitalism is great(because they profit from this system). It doesn't take an Economics major to see there is something wrong with the American economy.

Speaking of an economics major?


“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.”
John Maynard Keynes quote
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Don't confuse capitalism with the free market. What we have in the US today is not the free market. It is crony capitalism at its worst and liberals like you live it.
 
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