The Rich/Poor Disparity Myth

Dixie said:
But the point of my story was to illustrate how a perfectly "equal" society in terms of who has wealth, will quickly revert back to a society where there is a disparity between rich and poor. There is no way to "fix" this problem in a free capitalist society. There will always be some people who are motivated to succeed, have the ideas and entrepreneurial spirit to achieve, and there will always be those who lack these attributes. The only way to prevent growing disparity and keep it all equal, is by totalitarian force, or punishing success to the point it is stifled. When that happens, society collapses into poverty and people become slaves to the totalitarian force.
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No one is suggesting that you can or should eliminate economic inequity but Christ Dixie, you want to throw the baby out with the bath water. I still reserve the right to fight for the fair share of what I've produced. Somehow according to your twisted logic that makes me a communist. Just because the top 1% has been goobling up all the pie doesn't mean I have to lay down and take it cause it's "always been that way."

I used to hear the same stupid shit when I worked quality control in production. People would fight tooth claw and nail on needed process changes using the flawed argument of "We've always done it this way."
 
Mott the Hoople said:
In the eyes of the law all people are equal. We all have equal value and worth before the law. That does not imply that all people are equal in skill, talent or productive abilities.
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Do you believe skill, talent or productive abilities make others more valuable?

I believe value placed upon human life in regards to skill, talent and ability are what poisons societies. It is when we feel that people who make more money are of more value is very disturbing to me.
 
Rana said:
Do you believe skill, talent or productive abilities make others more valuable?

I believe value placed upon human life in regards to skill, talent and ability are what poisons societies. It is when we feel that people who make more money are of more value is very disturbing to me.
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It has been carefully taught for over 30 years that money makes value...the more you're worth the more value you have. You see the results and I agree with you it's disgusting.
 
Rana said:
Do you believe skill, talent or productive abilities make others more valuable?

I believe value placed upon human life in regards to skill, talent and ability are what poisons societies. It is when we feel that people who make more money are of more value is very disturbing to me.
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That's to much the kind of question a lawyer would ask. It depends on the context. I believe that in the context of the law and basic human worth and dignity we are all equal.

As for people who produce more being of greater value than people who produce less those people are more valauble but only in the context of productivity.

Skilled people who can peform extremely difficult tasks are of more value than people who can't but only in the context of being skilled.

Since these traits are valuable to society than these people would be of greater value to society but only from the standpoint of those narrow context. However, having greater value to society in those context does not mean anything in other context, such as, the law and our systems of morals and ethics.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's to much the kind of question a lawyer would ask. It depends on the context. I believe that in the context of the law and basic human worth and dignity we are all equal.

As for people who produce more being of greater value than people who view less than those people are more valauble but only in the context of productivity. Skilled people who can peform extremely difficult tasks are of more value than people who can't but in the context of being skilled. Since these traits are valuable to society than these people would be of greater value to society but only from the standpoint of that narrow context. However, having greater value to society in those context does not mean anything in other context, such as, the law and our systems of morals and ethics.
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Yeah, society is screwed up. It is sad that we not realize it is a web, one strand is as valuable as the other in order to keep the web as strong as it can be.
 
Rocketman said:
Yeah they were all forced to work for him a gun point, are you saying he was a slave owner?
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Are you saying that those people who took jobs at the mine knew in advance about all the safety violations? What, exactly, was Blankenship's responsibility in running a safe operation?
 
Rana said:
It is a discussion of the topic. Do you see yourself as having less value than others? Do you see yourself as not being as important or necessary as a neurosurgeon?

Do you see yourself as being less valuable than others by your standards?
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And I have already answered it. There are plenty of people more valuable than me in terms of skills and accomplishments. No doubt about it.

What I can't understand is how anyone gets so brainwashed to the point they believe everyone is 'equal'. That is whacked.
 
Stargazer said:
And I have already answered it. There are plenty of people more valuable than me in terms of skills and accomplishments. No doubt about it.

What I can't understand is how anyone gets so brainwashed to the point they believe everyone is 'equal'. That is whacked.
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I feel sorry that your believe you are not equal to others, that is low self esteem.
 
Rana said:
I feel sorry that your believe you are not equal to others, that is low self esteem.
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No, it's just having a grip on reality. Only a deluded fool tells themselves they are equal in intelligence and skills to a rocket scientist or an equally daunting skills set.

I prefer reality over political correctness, i.e., the new Shariah law.
 
Stargazer said:
No, it's just having a grip on reality. Only a deluded fool tells themselves they are equal in intelligence and skills to a rocket scientist or an equally daunting skills set.

I prefer reality over political correctness, i.e., the new Shariah law.
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I have friends of all different skill levels, and income levels, I am still equal to them in my value, and importance as a human. I do not feel they are superior to me because they can they can prescribe me my cholesterol medication, and they do not feel they have more value as a person than I, but I guess I am fortunate to hang out with socially evolved people who see my value as the person I am.
 
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Stargazer said:
No, it's just having a grip on reality. Only a deluded fool tells themselves they are equal in intelligence and skills to a rocket scientist or an equally daunting skills set.

I prefer reality over political correctness, i.e., the new Shariah law.
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"Shariah law", oh brother. :rolleyes:

You must be Pamela Geller IRL.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Just because the top 1% has been goobling up all the pie doesn't mean I have to lay down and take it cause it's "always been that way."
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I just want to make sure I understand your line of reasoning. Are you saying that there is a fixed pile of money and that the "1%" is taking some that rightfully belongs to you?
 
Rana said:
I have friends of all different skill levels, and income kevels, I am still equal to them in my value, and importance as a human. I do not feel they are superior to me because they can they can prescribe me my cholesterol medication, and they do not feel they have more value as a person than I, but I guess I am fortunate to hang out with socially evolved people who see my value as the person I am.
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I don't feel anyone is superior to me personally, but some are superior on other levels.

The claim everyone is 'equal' is PC garbage not grounded in reality. You seem like an insecure person who takes everything personally.

It is what it is.
 
Stargazer said:
I don't feel anyone is superior to me personally, but some are superior on other levels.

The claim everyone is 'equal' is PC garbage not grounded in reality. You seem like an insecure person who takes everything personally.

It is what it is.
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If not the 'personal' level, then what 'levels' are you talking about? Should these levels have any relevance in terms of how the laws are applied?
 
Bijou said:
:rofl2: Is that Limbaugh's latest talking point?

Dayum, Repubs are wicked-sore losers. :D
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And ignorant...tell the woman in Ireland that was murdered by the church inspired hospital about shariah law...she's laughing from the grave. Political correctness is what the baggers fling...their own version. That's all it means, nothing more.
 
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