Britain should act to bring BP's battering by US authorities to a close

Of all the whining in the article, this snippet is probably one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen:


Indeed, had the company wanted to be difficult it could have probably demonstrated that much of the spill in the Gulf of Mexico vanished, as quickly as it came, into the deep.




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Vanished? Are they really that stupid? Does anyone really think the mixture of oil, and toxic dispersants just 'vanished'?


There are plenty of mutated shrimp/crabs that would beg to differ.






How about we dump 100 million gallons of oil on the British landscape, and see how they feel about pension funds?
 
Althea said:
Of all the whining in the article, this snippet is probably one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen:


Vanished? Are they really that stupid? Does anyone really think the mixture of oil, and toxic dispersants just 'vanished'?


There are plenty of mutated shrimp/crabs that would beg to differ.






How about we dump 100 million gallons of oil on the British landscape, and see how they feel about pension funds?
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How about the 167 men who were murdered by Occidental Petroleum? I bet, being another know nothing Yank, that you never even heard about that? As for the oil, what do you think happened to it? It got disgested by bacteria, that's what. The same thing nearly happened in Nigeria with Chevron in January, are you concerned about that? One thing I have noticed though is that the further somebody is from the Gulf the more vociferous they are about the oil spill, I wonder why that is?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...losion-survivors-finally-able-tell-story.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16592623
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
I agree with Alex Brummer 100% about the way British business is being treated by the US, it is a form of bullying and it is motivated mostly by vindictiveness and malice.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/ne...bring-BPs-battering-US-authorities-close.html
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Well that's your opinion. Face it, BP was guilty of gross negligence with fore thought and malice that contributed significantly to one of the greatest ecological disasters in our nations history. BP knows as well as I do that they are getting off easy. I've worked in the environmental field far to long and have seen far to many scenerios (though obviously not in this scope) as the BP disaster. It's the typical corporate response. First deny any responsibility, then send out the apologist, then negotiate the pound of flesh that's going to be taken from your hide. Then play the vicitim.

Considering that the US is BP's largest source of revenue and that the US military is their single largest customer. BP is damned lucky to still be in business. They should count their blessings, quit pissing and moaning and get on with life.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well that's your opinion. Faenece it, BP was guilty of gross negligence with fore thought and malice that contributed significantly to one of the greatest ecological disasters in our nations history. BP knows as well as I do that they are getting off easy. I've worked in the environmental field far to long and have seen far to many scenerios (though obviously not in this scope) as the BP disaster. It's the typical corporate response. First deny any responsibility, then send out the apologist, then negotiate the pound of flesh that's going to be taken from your hide. Then play the vicitim.

Considering that the US is BP's largest source of revenue and that the US military is their single largest customer. BP is damned lucky to still be in business. They should count their blessings, quit pissing and moaning and get on with life.
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I am sorry but I don't agree, as I said before BP paid up without having to be taken to court, name one US company that has done the same? Have Exxon, Chevron-Toxico, Dow, Union Carbide, Occidental, Monsanto and many more ever done so? US companies have an unenviable record of polluting and then evading punishment, you know that as well as I do. Anyway if they were so cavalier as has been stated so often why did the MMA give that rig a safety award? It isn't just about BP, there seems to be a concerted attack on British banks and companies generally at the moment. This is especially galling when so little has happened to crooks like Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan. The effects of the banking crisis are vastly more than even occurred in the Gulf and I don't see anybody crying over that in the US, people over here see the US as total hypocrites who are totally incapable of seeing the world from other's point of view.
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
How about the 167 men who were murdered by Occidental Petroleum? I bet, being another know nothing Yank, that you never even heard about that? As for the oil, what do you think happened to it? It got disgested by bacteria, that's what. The same thing nearly happened in Nigeria with Chevron in January, are you concerned about that? One thing I have noticed though is that the further somebody is from the Gulf the more vociferous they are about the oil spill, I wonder why that is?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...losion-survivors-finally-able-tell-story.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16592623
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I am not far from the Gulf and I am pretty vociferous about the long term damage done. You think bacteria ate between 17 and 36 million gallons of crude oil? Let me clue you in to where the oil is. The toxic chemicals put out to handle this makes the oil sink. Its still there. There are places where it is STILL washing ashore and causing problems.

The areas effected are some of the most fertile in the region, and home to countless plant & animal life forms that were devastated.

BP's profits fell significantly this year. But they still posted a profit of $5.9 billion in the first quarter. Which means the entire $20billion is less than one year of profit for BP.

In fact, http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/feb/07/bp-announces-25bn-annual-profit lists the profit for 2011 at $25.7 billion.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I am sorry but I don't agree, as I said before BP paid up without having to be taken to court, name one US company that has done the same? Have Exxon, Chevron-Toxico, Dow, Union Carbide, Occidental, Monsanto and many more ever done so? US companies have an unenviable record of polluting and then evading punishment, you know that as well as I do. Anyway if they were so cavalier as has been stated so often why did the MMA give that rig a safety award? It isn't just about BP, there seems to be a concerted attack on British banks and companies generally at the moment. This is especially galling when so little has happened to crooks like Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan. The effects of the banking crisis are vastly more than even occurred in the Gulf and I don't see anybody crying over that in the US, people over here see the US as total hypocrites who are totally incapable of seeing the world from other's point of view.
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"The effects of the banking crisis are vastly more than even occurred in the Gulf..." WTF???

In 10 years the banking crisis may well be forgotten. In 10 years the ecological disastor caused by BP will not even be close to being over. Immeasureable harm has been done to an entire region, and you are whining because people are pissed?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Why do you have such an arsehole? Have you been taking lessons from the Darla Lama?
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Why do you have to be such an inveterate shill?
I live on the atlantic coast. There were many months of trepidation while the uncapped broken well gushes poison towards our shore.
Your dismissal of the devastation is none but yours.
Finally, I find your continued defense of these spoilers tiresome. Hence my response. How many threads on this very subject have you started?

By the way, now that rootbeer is among the missing, Darla is my new best friend. She is a true liberal. You are a liberal poser.
 
WinterBorn said:
"The effects of the banking crisis are vastly more than even occurred in the Gulf..." WTF???

In 10 years the banking crisis may well be forgotten. In 10 years the ecological disastor caused by BP will not even be close to being over. Immeasureable harm has been done to an entire region, and you are whining because people are pissed?
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I have a lot of time for you usually but you are talking arrant bullshit. The banking crisis has caused massive devastation all over the world and the main perpetrators have got off scot free, it will never be forgotten any more than the Depression of the '30s will be forgotten.

Can you tell me about this ecological disaster? Is there any area of the Gulf where fishing has been banned? If you feel so strongly about it why are you not lobbying for all deep water drilling to be banned?

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2012/09/19/gulf-fisheries-returning-to-normal.html
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I have a lot of time for you usually but you are talking arrant bullshit. The banking crisis has caused massive devastation all over the world and the main perpetrators have got off scot free, it will never be forgotten any more than the Depression of the '30s will be forgotten.

Can you tell me about this ecological disaster? Is there any area of the Gulf where fishing has been banned? If you feel so strongly about it why are you not lobbying for all deep water drilling to be banned?

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2012/09/19/gulf-fisheries-returning-to-normal.html
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I can tell you that the oil is still washing up. I can tell you that the number of endangered species on the gulf coast is significant and this nightmare has compounded the problem. I can tell you that there are still many, many animals dying from the spill and that effects the entire food chain.
 
Rune said:
Why do you have to be such an inveterate shill?
I live on the atlantic coast. There were many months of trepidation while the uncapped broken well gushes poison towards our shore.
Your dismissal of the devastation is none but yours.
Finally, I find your continued defense of these spoilers tiresome. Hence my response. How many threads on this very subject have you started?

By the way, now that rootbeer is among the missing, Darla is my new best friend. She is a true liberal. You are a liberal poser.
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I really do not care who your new best friend is, you have a track record of picking lunatics anyway, so that fits the pattern. You have a habit of indulging in hyperbole and to say that the oil was ever likely to reach Cape Cod is just fucking bullshit.
 
WinterBorn said:
I can tell you that the oil is still washing up. I can tell you that the number of endangered species on the gulf coast is significant and this nightmare has compounded the problem. I can tell you that there are still many, many animals dying from the spill and that effects the entire food chain.
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I never said there wasn't damage but maybe I should point you to some other so called "ecological disasters" Have you heard of the Amoco Cadiz, Torrey Canyon or the MT Haven? Seeing as you are so concerned about ecological disasters maybe you could talk about Chevron-Toxico and their devastation of the Ecuadorian jungles and the Niger Delta?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoco_Cadiz
 
WinterBorn said:
I can tell you that the oil is still washing up. I can tell you that the number of endangered species on the gulf coast is significant and this nightmare has compounded the problem. I can tell you that there are still many, many animals dying from the spill and that effects the entire food chain.
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You act as if the Gulf was a pristine envirionment and not one that has been subjected to numerous oil spills over the years, not to mention the spills that occur naturally from underground fissures. As I asked you before, why aren't you for a blanket ban on deep water drilling? There will be another huge accident in the future, it is in the very nature of deep water drilling to be hazardous.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I never said there wasn't damage but maybe I should point you to some other so called "ecological disasters" Have you heard of the Amoco Cadiz, Torrey Canyon or the MT Haven? Seeing as you are so concerned about ecological disasters maybe you could talk about Chevron-Toxico and their devastation of the Ecuadorian jungles and the Niger Delta?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoco_Cadiz
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Indeed I have heard of those disastors. They were all horrible. But perhaps this will help you wil perspective. The combined spillage from those 3 disastors was just under 3.5 million barrels. The estimates for the BP spill in the gulf vary between 17 million barrels and 36 million barrels. For the sake of argument, let's split the difference and call it 26.5 million barrels.

That means the BP spill in the gulf release over 7.5 times as much oil as the three wrecks you listed combined. And to quote Wiki concerning the Mt Haven spill of 1 million barrels "It broke in two and sank after burning for three days, and for the next 12 years the Mediterranean coast of Italy and France was polluted, especially around Genoa and southern France."

So if 1 million barrels caused 12 years of pollution, what do you suppose 26.5 million barrels did?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
You act as if the Gulf was a pristine envirionment and not one that has been subjected to numerous oil spills over the years, not to mention the spills that occur naturally from underground fissures. As I asked you before, why aren't you for a blanket ban on deep water drilling? There will be another huge accident in the future, it is in the very nature of deep water drilling to be hazardous.
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Do you know my stance on offshore drilling? And more to the point, do you know my stance on deep water drilling?

But the main reason for my anger at BP is because of the lack of control over thier drilling and their callous attitude towards safety and environmental issues. The fact that they made a $25.7 billion profit the next year and yet whine about the fines shows this clearly.

Yes, the nature of the work is hazardous. But they should do everything in their power to mitigate those hazards instead of ignoring them.
 
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