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http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?47414-Israel-at-it-again-Dec-3-2012

The above thread, you will see that wiseone interjects a very bold challenge and statement to me, about his supposed knowledge and ability to debate Biblical Scripture. He assures me that he is fully capable of such debate, and has debated many scholars. Having been reassured that he was up for the task, as well as 'warned' by wiseone to avoid such a debate with him, I accepted his challenge with confidence. He has yet to actually begin debating me about Biblical Scriptures and what they actually say. He hasn't even posted a single verse from the Bible. So far, I have been entertained by his "LOLs" and chortling like a school girl, and his opinion of what he believes is in the Bible. I have either explained, or completely debunked everything he believes is in the Bible. I am still waiting to begin our debate on Biblical Scriptures.

I am very disappointed here. As many of you are aware, I am a Spiritualist, and not a Christian. Many members of my personal family are Christians, and Baptist Christians, even Southern Baptist Christians. I am not a Christian. I am a believer in Spiritualism. I think Christians misunderstand the meaning of Christ Jesus, and that he is not actually the living Son of God. It is a symbolic title, to convey an utter importance to his spoken word and teachings, his personal philosophy. While that is great and wonderful, I do not believe he was the product of an immaculate conception and born of a human through the seed of God. I just don't accept that to be true, therefore, I am not a Christian. It doesn't mean that I don't have huge respect for what the Bible teaches, and what Christianity teaches. I believe there is great humanitarian advantage to all mankind, to live by the teachings found in the Bible.

My mother's twin brother, is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, with a pH D in Theology from the largest Baptist seminary in the South, he is 73, and has been a minister for 55 years. I have had long lengthy and extensive discussions with him, on the Bible, and Christianity in general. Me not being a Christian, but a Spiritualist, has certainly created some interesting conversations around the dinner table, but I have learned a great deal about the Christian faith and Baptist teachings. So I feel pretty confident with my skill level and training to debate what the Bible says, if that is the argument we are going to have.

I had Bible.com pulled up and everything! I even had my funny Pope hat on, ready to get down to some serious theological discussion with wiseone, but he let me down! All I got was more incessant ranting and crazy ideas about what he believes is in the Bible. I don't get to wear my funny Pope hat too often, and I was so looking forward to a meaty debate with someone who knew what they were talking about. To learn that I had been spoofed into a foolish debacle of failed arguments and untrue rhetoric, just really disappointed me.

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Dixie said:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?47414-Israel-at-it-again-Dec-3-2012

The above thread, you will see that wiseone interjects a very bold challenge and statement to me, about his supposed knowledge and ability to debate Biblical Scripture. He assures me that he is fully capable of such debate, and has debated many scholars. Having been reassured that he was up for the task, as well as 'warned' by wiseone to avoid such a debate with him, I accepted his challenge with confidence. He has yet to actually begin debating me about Biblical Scriptures and what they actually say. He hasn't even posted a single verse from the Bible. So far, I have been entertained by his "LOLs" and chortling like a school girl, and his opinion of what he believes is in the Bible. I have either explained, or completely debunked everything he believes is in the Bible. I am still waiting to begin our debate on Biblical Scriptures.

I am very disappointed here. As many of you are aware, I am a Spiritualist, and not a Christian. Many members of my personal family are Christians, and Baptist Christians, even Southern Baptist Christians. I am not a Christian. I am a believer in Spiritualism. I think Christians misunderstand the meaning of Christ Jesus, and that he is not actually the living Son of God. It is a symbolic title, to convey an utter importance to his spoken word and teachings, his personal philosophy. While that is great and wonderful, I do not believe he was the product of an immaculate conception and born of a human through the seed of God. I just don't accept that to be true, therefore, I am not a Christian. It doesn't mean that I don't have huge respect for what the Bible teaches, and what Christianity teaches. I believe there is great humanitarian advantage to all mankind, to live by the teachings found in the Bible.

My mother's twin brother, is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, with a pH D in Theology from the largest Baptist seminary in the South, he is 73, and has been a minister for 55 years. I have had long lengthy and extensive discussions with him, on the Bible, and Christianity in general. Me not being a Christian, but a Spiritualist, has certainly created some interesting conversations around the dinner table, but I have learned a great deal about the Christian faith and Baptist teachings. So I feel pretty confident with my skill level and training to debate what the Bible says, if that is the argument we are going to have.

I had Bible.com pulled up and everything! I even had my funny Pope hat on, ready to get down to some serious theological discussion with wiseone, but he let me down! All I got was more incessant ranting and crazy ideas about what he believes is in the Bible. I don't get to wear my funny Pope hat too often, and I was so looking forward to a meaty debate with someone who knew what they were talking about. To learn that I had been spoofed into a foolish debacle of failed arguments and untrue rhetoric, just really disappointed me.

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HUH????Are you kidding me?? You've been getting your ass kicked and haven't explained squat!!! Everyone is well aware that the earth is not 7000 years old you idiot! And most rational thinking people including biblical scholars will tell you that it is historically inaccurate!

Then your testimony was more garbage!!!!! You claim you dont believe in supernatural aspects of Christ yet defended the book of Genesis tooth and nail? There is only one idiotic condition for this. An idiotic atheist jew. When the Bible supports their delusions it is accepted. When it does not(The Gospel)? It is rejected.

I think you let me down. You kept asking the same question over and over and over and I keep answering, over and over!!! How could we proceed, which such ignorance and denial?LOL

You got owned in the debate so far and anyone that has eyes will witness this. I will check for your latest reply tomorrow morning and further make you look like an idiot!

The Book of Genesis DOES clearly state that the earth was created and brought to life in 6 days!!!! Idiot! And the Scripture is right here.

Genesis 2:1-3

New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Creation of Man and Woman

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created [a]and made.


Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.”


Are you going to make your self look stupid again and say the Bible doesn't mention a timeline?LOL
 
Wise1,

I used to be a Christian, and in the latter part of my Christian career, I didn't believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old. I accepted that it is 4.54 billion years old. The Hebrew word for day (yom) does not necessarily refer to a literal, 24-hour period.
 
Melos said:
Wise1,

I used to be a Christian, and in the latter part of my Christian career, I didn't believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old. I accepted that it is 4.54 billion years old. The Hebrew word for day (yom) does not necessarily refer to a literal, 24-hour period.
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Many religious fanatics will swear by it!! The Bible(Genesis) clearly describes the day as one sun cycle and the darkness as the night. The religious fanatics will twist words and everything to make a square fit in the triangle hole but it doesn't fit.lol

I think these religious fanatics are a threat to world peace as the elites use prophecy fulfillment to justify wars which is nothing more then war profiteering!!! These elites would not hesitate to kill every Israeli if they could make money off of it. Who do you think is the major financier of Israel? The Rothschilds! And they aren't religious!

Look at the Idiot Evangelicals! They thought attacking Iraq was prophecy being fulfilled via Babylon.lol All it was, was a resource war for oil!
 
wiseones2cents said:
Many religious fanatics will swear by it!! The Bible(Genesis) clearly describes the day as one sun cycle and the darkness as the night. The religious fanatics will twist words and everything to make a square fit in the triangle hole but it doesn't fit.lol

I think these religious fanatics are a threat to world peace as the elites use prophecy fulfillment to justify wars which is nothing more then war profiteering!!! These elites would not hesitate to kill every Israeli if they could make money off of it. Who do you think is the major financier of Israel? The Rothschilds! And they aren't religious!

Look at the Idiot Evangelicals! They thought attacking Iraq was prophecy being fulfilled via Babylon.lol All it was, was a resource war for oil!
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Show me in Genesis where it says a day is one sun cycle.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Many religious fanatics will swear by it!! The Bible(Genesis) clearly describes the day as one sun cycle and the darkness as the night. The religious fanatics will twist words and everything to make a square fit in the triangle hole but it doesn't fit.lol

I think these religious fanatics are a threat to world peace as the elites use prophecy fulfillment to justify wars which is nothing more then war profiteering!!! These elites would not hesitate to kill every Israeli if they could make money off of it. Who do you think is the major financier of Israel? The Rothschilds! And they aren't religious!

Look at the Idiot Evangelicals! They thought attacking Iraq was prophecy being fulfilled via Babylon.lol All it was, was a resource war for oil!
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So how come we don't have Iraq's oil?
 
Wise Old Man said:
Show me in Genesis where it says a day is one sun cycle.
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Genesis clearly defines the meaning of one day.

Genesis 1:3-5

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Now stay out of the debate. Dixie is gonna take a major beating in this debate.lol
 
Dixie said:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?47414-Israel-at-it-again-Dec-3-2012

The above thread, you will see that wiseone interjects a very bold challenge and statement to me, about his supposed knowledge and ability to debate Biblical Scripture. He assures me that he is fully capable of such debate, and has debated many scholars. Having been reassured that he was up for the task, as well as 'warned' by wiseone to avoid such a debate with him, I accepted his challenge with confidence. He has yet to actually begin debating me about Biblical Scriptures and what they actually say. He hasn't even posted a single verse from the Bible. So far, I have been entertained by his "LOLs" and chortling like a school girl, and his opinion of what he believes is in the Bible. I have either explained, or completely debunked everything he believes is in the Bible. I am still waiting to begin our debate on Biblical Scriptures.

I am very disappointed here. As many of you are aware, I am a Spiritualist, and not a Christian. Many members of my personal family are Christians, and Baptist Christians, even Southern Baptist Christians. I am not a Christian. I am a believer in Spiritualism. I think Christians misunderstand the meaning of Christ Jesus, and that he is not actually the living Son of God. It is a symbolic title, to convey an utter importance to his spoken word and teachings, his personal philosophy. While that is great and wonderful, I do not believe he was the product of an immaculate conception and born of a human through the seed of God. I just don't accept that to be true, therefore, I am not a Christian. It doesn't mean that I don't have huge respect for what the Bible teaches, and what Christianity teaches. I believe there is great humanitarian advantage to all mankind, to live by the teachings found in the Bible.

My mother's twin brother, is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, with a pH D in Theology from the largest Baptist seminary in the South, he is 73, and has been a minister for 55 years. I have had long lengthy and extensive discussions with him, on the Bible, and Christianity in general. Me not being a Christian, but a Spiritualist, has certainly created some interesting conversations around the dinner table, but I have learned a great deal about the Christian faith and Baptist teachings. So I feel pretty confident with my skill level and training to debate what the Bible says, if that is the argument we are going to have.

I had Bible.com pulled up and everything! I even had my funny Pope hat on, ready to get down to some serious theological discussion with wiseone, but he let me down! All I got was more incessant ranting and crazy ideas about what he believes is in the Bible. I don't get to wear my funny Pope hat too often, and I was so looking forward to a meaty debate with someone who knew what they were talking about. To learn that I had been spoofed into a foolish debacle of failed arguments and untrue rhetoric, just really disappointed me.

:king:
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This NEO-NAZI lunatic Jew hater can rant and rave;....... I'd guess all Neo-Nazis are psycho......
Why indulge his madness in debate at all, Dix ?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Genesis clearly defines the meaning of one day.

Genesis 1:3-5

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Now stay out of the debate. Dixie is gonna take a major beating in this debate.lol
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Who gives a shit what the Bible says. Its a book of fairy tales.
 
From KJV Genesis 1; [Dixie's comments in blue]

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [Point A - Creation.] 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. [Do you see where it says for how long this was the case?] And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. [For how many millions or billions of years? Does it say?]

3 Then [When?] God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. [For how many years or millions of years? Does it say?] 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; [How long did God marvel at the good light? Does it say? A billion years maybe?] and God divided the light from the darkness. [Over how long a period of time? Remember, we don't have "days" yet, he hasn't created those.] 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [How long does it claim God achieved night and day, before he declared it anything?] So the evening and the morning were the first day. [When did it say that God determined this? After how many years or millions of years?]

6 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” [Does it state how long of a time period this required in human years, or is God still omnipotent in his control of time?] 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; [Over how long a period of human-understood time?] and it was so. [When?] 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. [After how long did he call it this?] So the evening and the morning were the second day. [How can the "evening and morning" be the second day? What about the afternoon and night? What's afoot here? Does God have control of time, or is man in control of time? Does the Bible say?]

9 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. [Did he do this in the 24hrs following the 2nd Day, or did he slow Earth down for billions of years? Does the Bible say?] 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good. [How long did God marvel at the "good" and simply not allow "days" to pass by? Billions of years, ten seconds? Does the Bible say?]

11 Then [WHEN?] God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. [But how long of a period of human-defined time did this take?] 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. [We should be able to clearly see at this point, that we are not talking about the human concept of "days" because this kind of stuff doesn't happen in a few hours of a single day.] And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day. [Again, no afternoon or night as of yet. No mention of human-defined time, just the delineation of "days" which can be whatever length an omnipotent God wants them to be, he is not constrained by time.]


14 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; [Okay, so we just now have night, seasons, and years. But plants are already bearing fruit.] 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. [Over how much human time?] 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. [WTF? He's just now creating the Sun and the Moon? How did we already have 3 days with no Sun or Moon?] He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. [Any mention of time passing yet?] And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [Again, it is obvious that God can speed time up or slow time down, or make time stand still as he works. Something one might expect from an omnipotent God.]

20 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” [Does it state how many millions of years, or by what process these creatures were generated?] 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. [Does it say he did not use "evolution" to do this?] 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [Perhaps we are now into billions of years of evolution, the dinosaurs have come and gone, we don't really know because the Bible doesn't tell us this.]

24 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. [For how many years?] And God saw that it was good. [Once it was created to its kind, does it say God didn't utilize evolution techniques to tweak the efficiency of the various kinds?]

26 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” [For how many years?] 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. [For how many years?]28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. [Point B. -Six days, in GOD'S TIME!]
 
wiseones2cents said:
Many religious fanatics will swear by it!! The Bible(Genesis) clearly describes the day as one sun cycle and the darkness as the night. The religious fanatics will twist words and everything to make a square fit in the triangle hole but it doesn't fit.lol

I think these religious fanatics are a threat to world peace as the elites use prophecy fulfillment to justify wars which is nothing more then war profiteering!!! These elites would not hesitate to kill every Israeli if they could make money off of it. Who do you think is the major financier of Israel? The Rothschilds! And they aren't religious!

Look at the Idiot Evangelicals! They thought attacking Iraq was prophecy being fulfilled via Babylon.lol All it was, was a resource war for oil!
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You attack Christian fanatics, but conveniently turn a blind eye to Palestinian fanatics. Interesting.

Well, technically, according to the Bible, there was a day/night cycle before the Sun and Moon were created. So it's obviously not intended to be taken literally to begin with.
 
Melos said:
You attack Christian fanatics, but conveniently turn a blind eye to Palestinian fanatics. Interesting.

Well, technically, according to the Bible, there was a day/night cycle before the Sun and Moon were created. So it's obviously not intended to be taken literally to begin with.
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I also criticize Muslim fanatics that cut peoples hands off and such. The point is that it is NOT historically accurate, no mater which way you spin it!
 
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