Photo of bloodied, broken nosed George Zimmerman released

[USFREEDOM911]

No...I thought he was in his vehicle following the kid when he first called in...have I misremembered...possibly...so what? That makes me suspect in the conspirators mind I suppose...or do I remember correctly? I'll wait for you to prove your point...in any case he was told to not do anything and let the police do their job but of course he was a hot shot police wannabe so he ended up killing a kid for being black.

Way to go big guy.

You are so full of shit.
You've been around when this was discussed before and you just want to completely ignore the fact that Martin is the one who confronted Zimmerman, as Zimmerman was returning to his car.
You're just a liberal racist.

 

[Haiku]

again you are sensationalizing the situation with your own prejudice.

Really? The police didn't even detain him...it took a month for them to even approach the killing with anything other than nepotism but I'm being prejudiced. I am not impressed with Zimmerman's defense in any way.

Zimmerman did not detain him. There is also no law that says you cannot follow someone.

So he says.

At no point did Zimmerman attempt to detain Martin. Asking him a question is not a crime.

So he claims.

If Martin felt threatened, then yes, he certainly had a right to stand his ground. But if Martin approached Zimmerman after Zimmerman began walking away, then that is a different story. Hence, the trial to see what happened.

He certainly will be held accountable.

If, if, if, and I recall a pile on of gun rights nutters all over this from the moment it hit the news.

 

[Haiku]

ends the debate on people needing to worry about their own safety, doesn't it?

Not when so many think Zimmerman had all the rights and a young black man had none....no it does nothing of the kind.

 

[Rocketman]

Yeah the kid used poor judgement because he felt safe to walk around at night, in his own neighborhood, wearing a hoodie while black...in Floriduh....it's his own fault right?

The very minute he left the public sidewalk onto private property it was no longer his neighborhood, he was trespassing. If he had done that in any neighborhood, then started a congfrontation he would have a higher risk of being fatally wounded. There are consequences for bad behavior, it is a shame his parents did not care enough about him when he was alive.

 

[Haiku]

The very minute he left the public sidewalk onto private property it was no longer his neighborhood, he was trespassing. If he had done that in any neighborhood, then started a congfrontation he would have a higher risk of being fatally wounded. There are consequences for bad behavior, it is a shame his parents did not care enough about him when he was alive.

He was in an apt complex...everyone walks between buildings in apt complexes.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Not when so many think Zimmerman had all the rights and a young black man had none....no it does nothing of the kind.

i don't know anyone who thinks that, except you. did martin have the right to assault zimmerman?

 

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Really? The police didn't even detain him...it took a month for them to even approach the killing with anything other than nepotism but I'm being prejudiced. I am not impressed with Zimmerman's defense in any way.

yes, really. What the police did or didn't do doesn't change the fact that you are sensationalizing the events with your own bias.

So he says.

Have you seen ANY sort of evidence that suggests otherwise? No story that I have read has said that Zimmerman detained Martin.

So he claims.

Again, no one has shown anything that would support your assertion. Link us up if I am wrong.

If, if, if, and I recall a pile on of gun rights nutters all over this from the moment it hit the news.

Yes, I use the qualifier 'if' because we don't know exactly what happened. It is comical that you are saying it is the gun rights nutters that were all over it. It was the anti-gun crowd that went ballistic, not to mention other left wingers proclaiming Zimmerman was 'a white guy' and that he was 'racist'.

 

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Not when so many think Zimmerman had all the rights and a young black man had none....no it does nothing of the kind.

more sensationalistic crap on your part.

 

[christiefan915]

The very minute he left the public sidewalk onto private property it was no longer his neighborhood, he was trespassing. If he had done that in any neighborhood, then started a congfrontation he would have a higher risk of being fatally wounded. There are consequences for bad behavior, it is a shame his parents did not care enough about him when he was alive.

He was a legitimate visitor to the property. Nobody questioned that except you.

 

[zappasguitar]

So...according to you it isn't a crime to follow someone.

Zimmerman did not detain him. There is also no law that says you cannot follow someone.

If Martin felt threatened, then yes, he certainly had a right to stand his ground. But if Martin approached Zimmerman after Zimmerman began walking away, then that is a different story.

If Martin "approached" Zimmerman after Zimmerman began walking away then Martin was doing nothing more than FOLLOWING Zimmerman...and as you just said, following someone isn't against the law.

 

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So...according to you it isn't a crime to follow someone.

No... it is not.

If Martin "approached" Zimmerman after Zimmerman began walking away then Martin was doing nothing more than FOLLOWING Zimmerman...and as you just said, following someone isn't against the law.

Yes, but at that point Martin would lose the claim of 'standing his ground' as now he is the one following Zimmerman. He would be the one initiating the confrontation at that point. Which is why my statement was "If Martin felt threatened, then yes, he certainly had a right to stand his ground. But if Martin approached Zimmerman after Zimmerman began walking away, then that is a different story." you see... that was discussing the 'stand your ground' argument. I know it is hard for you to actually take things in the context they were being discussed, but damn... do try harder to pay attention.

 

[Haiku]

The entire notion of arguing for 'stand your ground' as a defense for Zimmerman when he initiated the entire encounter is bogus. The law sucks and gives nutters an excuse, an easy excuse to act out.

 

[zappasguitar]

The entire notion of arguing for 'stand your ground' as a defense for Zimmerman when he initiated the entire encounter is bogus. The law sucks and gives nutters an excuse, an easy excuse to act out.

Exactly.

The moment Zimmerman began following Martin, his claim of feeling threatened and fearing for his safety go right out the window.

 

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The entire notion of arguing for 'stand your ground' as a defense for Zimmerman when he initiated the entire encounter is bogus. The law sucks and gives nutters an excuse, an easy excuse to act out.

Again, it depends on what actually happened. If Zimmerman was following Martin and Martin turned and hit him because he feared for his life, then Martin would be in the right. If Zimmerman had turned around and was walking away from Martin and Martin followed him and then initiated the confrontation, then you are incorrect. Zimmerman would have a case.

 

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Exactly.

The moment Zimmerman began following Martin, his claim of feeling threatened and fearing for his safety go right out the window.

Not true. Not if it was Martin in the end following Zimmerman and initiating the confrontation. You simply made up your mind that you are going to believe the above rather than caring about whether it is accurate or not. It may be correct. But it may also turn out to be incorrect.

 

[zappasguitar]

Not true. Not if it was Martin in the end following Zimmerman and initiating the confrontation. You simply made up your mind that you are going to believe the above rather than caring about whether it is accurate or not. It may be correct. But it may also turn out to be incorrect.

But you just said following someone is not a crime.

Zimmerman can't follow a stranger and then claim he was fearful for his life when the stranger he followed felt threatened and turned to confront the person following him..

 

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But you just said following someone is not a crime.

Zimmerman can't follow a stranger and then claim he was fearful for his life when the stranger he followed felt threatened and turned to confront the person following him..

yes he can. the person can only confront with reasonable force. if martin responded with force beyond that necessary to ascertain why he was being followed or to stop the following, then martin becomes the aggressor and zimmerman can in FACT claim he was fearful for his life, especially if his version is true that martin started beating him.

i really fail to see how you can't grasp this simple logic.

 

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Not when so many think Zimmerman had all the rights and a young black man had none....no it does nothing of the kind.

cite one person who said that

 

[zappasguitar]

yes he can. the person can only confront with reasonable force. if martin responded with force beyond that necessary to ascertain why he was being followed or to stop the following, then martin becomes the aggressor and zimmerman can in FACT claim he was fearful for his life, especially if his version is true that martin started beating him.

i really fail to see how you can't grasp this simple logic.

Riiiiiiiight...

So Zimmerman didn't use excessive force when he used a gun to shoot Martin while fearing for his life...

But Martin DID use excessive force when he used his fists to confront Zimmerman while fearing for his life.

The reason no one grasps your "simple logic" is that it isn't logical at all, just simple...minded.

 

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Riiiiiiiight...

So Zimmerman didn't use excessive force when he used a gun to shoot Martin while fearing for his life...

But Martin DID use excessive force when he used his fists to confront Zimmerman while fearing for his life.

The reason no one grasps your "simple logic" is that it isn't logical at all, just simple...minded.

you really can't follow conversations or logic. i never mentioned anything about excessive force when he shot him. the conversation was SOLELY about whether someone following someone can feel threatened if the person they are following confronts them. and the reality is, YES they can.

what a dumbass you are.