Photo of bloodied, broken nosed George Zimmerman released

[CanceledB]

Says the person who condescendingly pretended to know what they didn't, the answer came with equal condescension, this time deserved, from the post it quoted.

According to the articles, the prosecution (and GZ's attorneys) said they (the prosecution) put the photo into evidence recently. I'll believe them before an ignorant tool of partisan nonsense every single time. The reality is your knee-jerk foolishness is based solely on a partisan idea that he's guilty.

That this is partisan at all boggles the mind, it's a case in the Florida courts. It will be decided by them.

I didn't "pretend" anything. I've done what you and everyone else has done: formed an opinion based on what information, factual and conjecture, is available. Your position is no better-informed than mine or anyone else's ("according the articles"). You make only yourself look foolish; your snark does nothing to decimate my argument, nor my character, only yours.

 

[Damocles]

I didn't "pretend" anything. I've done what you and everyone else has done: formed an opinion based on what information, factual and conjecture, is available. Your position is no better-informed than mine or anyone else's ("according the articles"). You make only yourself look foolish; your snark does nothing to decimate my argument, nor my character, only yours.

You've done what "everybody else" has done? You ignored information and made inaccurate statements based on your own preconceived ideation. The information I posted is what was stated in the articles posted in this thread. The prosecution recently added the color photo of which they had previously only presented a photocopy from a copy machine. This photo is from the prosecution, the police took it that night, and they "substituted" it very recently it isn't 'shopped. That you repeated it after knowing this only shows you have no urge to actually render an educated opinion.

If you don't want condescension, 1. don't come here with it, and 2. especially don't when you are ignorant of simple facts. At this point, if you continue to remain ignorant, it is deliberate.

 

[CanceledB]

You've done what "everybody else" has done? You ignored information and made inaccurate statements. The information I posted is what was stated in the articles posted in this thread. The prosecution recently added the color photo of which they had previously only presented a photocopy from a copy machine. This photo is from the prosecution, the police took it that night, and they "substituted" it very recently.

If you don't want condescension, don't come here with it, and especially don't when you are ignorant of simple facts.

I don't give a shit if you choose to be condescending. It's on you, not me. No one *makes* you behave like an arrogant ass.

 

[Damocles]

I don't give a shit if you choose to be condescending. It's on you, not me. No one *makes* you behave like an arrogant ass.

If you don't want it, don't start it. It is that simple. While I do attempt to remain aloof I am human, when condescended to sometimes I return the favor.

 

[Timshel]

This incident, politics aside is possibly one of the most unfortunate incidents I have come across .
Trayvon was acting like any other teen.
He got pissed when George called the cops.
Overreacted, became violent, and got shot.

Teens don't always have the diplomacy of adults.

There are so many what ifs that could have changed the ending, but it happened, it is tragic .

I still believe that Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin.

I hate that it has been politicized and usually avoid the topic. I don't have the details and I don't believe most of the blowhards who have dehumanized the story and made the import solely political do either. Two young men's lives were lost. It's nothing but a tragedy.

These were two people unfit for the job trying to teach each other a lesson.

I don't believe Zimmerman is malicious. Zimmerman should not have felt empowered to stop or arrest him in anyway.

Trayvon did not just attack Zimmerman spontaneously. If Zimmerman's life was in danger it was due to his own choice of carrying a gun into a situation he was not properly trained or authorized to handle. Stand your ground is an ill advised law and should be repealed or at the very least amended.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I didn't "pretend" anything. I've done what you and everyone else has done: formed an opinion based on what information, factual and conjecture, is available. Your position is no better-informed than mine or anyone else's ("according the articles"). You make only yourself look foolish; your snark does nothing to decimate my argument, nor my character, only yours.

So it was your "opinion" that Zimmerman left his car, "to persue Martin", after the dispatcher told him not to; when it's been proven that he was already out of his car, when the dispatcher told him "You don't have to do that" and he was then returning to his car?
Is that one of your "OPINIONS"?

 

[zappasguitar]

You know, it is fairly easy for the members to search this thread for every single use of the word "innocent" and "deserved", to see just how full of shit you are. ONE person said he got what he "deserved", NOT 15. ZERO people said he was innocent, NOT 15.

Having said that, I will declare his innocense because every man is innocent until proven guilty, EVEN when its a white guy who killed a black.

Really?

Quote Originally Posted by Conservative:
He is a true Hero, thats why the libs slander and lie and cry for his blood

Quote Originally Posted by 007:
Trayvon was acting like any other teen.
He got pissed when George called the cops.
Overreacted, became violent, and got shot.
I still believe that Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin.


Quote Originally Posted by I Love America:
Well we know where Trayvon the wanna be gangsta is rotting dont we? Live like a gangsta die like a gangsta


Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman:
There would be no trial here, the little bastard got what he deserved end of story.


Quote Originally Posted by Stargazer:
Live like a thug, die like a thug.


You can play your ridiculous word parsing game or you can admit that I've pulled up 5 quotes from Conservatives, each of them a variation on the basic theme of "Trayvon got what he deserved".

 

[zappasguitar]

1. The two who actually called him a hero (before my post noting them) were noted in my post.
2. The rest of these do not say he was innocent, barring additional people who decided to take the "hero" angle after my comment, they mock the evidence that people brought to this thread.
3. Saying that evidence is weak, even in clear terms, is not saying that GZ is "innocent".

Basically, it is through partisan glasses you read into what they say. You forget to read "if" at the beginning of lines, and assume that simple (in my case) correction about the false information presented about the photo was me saying he was "innocent", then simply skipping the argument I am in with one of the people on your list about how DAs don't bring charges if they believe they will lose and pretending I haven't argued the other side.

I have never said he is innocent. What I did do was change my position after I found out that his 911 call was altered to making him sound like a racist. At first I believed a racist attacked a black guy. Now I don't know and am waiting for the trial, but so far the evidence I've seen seems to indicate that the government has a weak case against him.

So far the evidence does not support the assumption of guilt from the left.

I still do not know why this is such a partisan line. Are you so invested that you can't see how weak the evidence you present to "prove" his guilt appears? Your personal view seems to be based on who thinks he may be innocent rather than on any of the actual evidence.

A whole lotta words...

Paragraph after paragraph of condescension and obfuscation, and yet not a peep regarding your now debunked claim that "all but two" conservatives on these boards had taken a wait and see attitude.

 

[zappasguitar]

So it was your "opinion" that Zimmerman left his car, "to persue Martin", after the dispatcher told him not to; when it's been proven that he was already out of his car, when the dispatcher told him "You don't have to do that" and he was then returning to his car?
Is that one of your "OPINIONS"?

Listen to the coward talk about what's been "proven" and what hasn't.

USF is just one of the posters Damo claims is taking a "wait and see" attitude...ROTFLMAO.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Listen to the coward talk about what's been "proven" and what hasn't.

USF is just one of the posters Damo claims is taking a "wait and see" attitude...ROTFLMAO.

has USF claimed that zimmerman is guilty or innocent?

 

[zappasguitar]

I don't give a shit if you choose to be condescending. It's on you, not me. No one *makes* you behave like an arrogant ass.

What a surprise!

Another "personal responsibility" Rightie trying to blame anyone BUT himself for his condescending attitude.

 

[zappasguitar]

has USF claimed that zimmerman is guilty or innocent?

Yes.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yes.

could you please cite the post, thanks.

 

[zappasguitar]

could you please cite the post, thanks.

There have been an untold number of threads started, that either try to defend Martin or demonize Zimmerman.
To me the reason that so many threads have been started, is because the left are afraid that Zimmerman is going to found guilty and the left aren't really interested in the truth and only want a conviction based on feelings.
Now add in that the majority of those theads seem to either want to present some bloggers site as being the truth, or want to ignore what the really occured and would rather rewrite the incident.

For example: "Why did Zimmerman persue Martin, after being told to stay in his car". He wasn't told to stay in his car. When the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he following the suspect and Zimmerman said yes, the dispatcher told him that he didn't have to do that.
Another example: When the report came out that Martin was shot from a range of 1" to 18", a poster immediately started using "foot and a half" as proof of something and when asked why he was ignoring the 1", his reply was "I'm not ignoring it, it's all within the same range". So why didnt he focus on the 1" range?
Another one: Trying to say that Martin was also "Standing his Ground", under the Florida law. How do you run away, return, and then say you were standing your ground. Any self defense course will tell you that you're not standing your ground, when you leave, and then return. Plus this information is going to get some idiot shot or convicted of assault; because once you leave, the IMMENENT THREAT is over and you returning can allow the other person to claim being the victim.

There are plenty more; but I'm not going to waste the time to continue to expose the hypocricy from the left.
From now on; the minute someone tries to discuss this and they use a lie, I'm going to ignore the rest they have to offer or even what they've offered before the lie.
Plus; after reading the discussion between legion and Damo and then legion trying to twist Damo's words around, I've decided to just completely ignore anything that legion says.

The lies aren't worth the time to continually argue about and legion just wants attention.
But the left can continue to try and spead their lies; but all they're doing is showing their desperation to have Zimmerman found guilty, no matter what.

I would say from the tone of this post it's pretty obvious USF believes Zimmerman is innocent.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

I would say from the tone of this post it's pretty obvious USF believes Zimmerman is innocent.

while i agree that the tone could be read as USF believing him innocent, i also believe it could be read as a neutral opinion about the entire, with a slant against the left's misconceptions about the matter.

you said he "claimed" zimmerman was innocent. his post "claims" no such thing.

this is just another sorry hateful lie by you. i have such pity for you, that i sometimes want to hook up and just smoke with you. you should smoke MJ, lighten up bro.

 

[Damocles]

I would say from the tone of this post it's pretty obvious USF believes Zimmerman is innocent.

I would say you are reading it through partisan glasses. That post makes no claims of innocence, it simply points out how the left has already come to their conclusion and try to fit the evidence to meet that conclusion. While I agree with that, it doesn't mean that GZ is innocent, it simply means that the evidence that we have, which is far less than the jury will have, doesn't support that assumption of guilt.

Before a trial you generally get more reports of evidence that supports the defense than you get from the prosecution side. This seems to be the case here. There may be more damning evidence that we haven't seen yet, but if this is all they got I'd predict that GZ will be acquitted. This won't change my life, and I have nothing at all invested into this. It won't cement my partisan values either way regardless of the verdict. It is simply a prediction based only on the evidence we have seen.

 

[Crashk]

After trudging thru 20-some pages of this thread I think you all miss the more important aspect of this case and that is the legitimacy and the constitutionality of ALEC laws.

ALEC is a special interest group which has one agenda, and one agenda only - to make money for their members, which includes the founding organization of the NRA, and their gun manufacturer clients. It is clear - if you tune out the rhetoric, the frantic ideology, and just follow the money.

Unless ALEC and other groups like it cease to exist, anti-environmental legislation will only grow more harsh, and the largest corporations will continue to amass more control over the environment (and our govt.) at the expense of ordinary citizens and nature as a whole.

http://www.earthtimes.org/green-blo...rations-craft-environmental-policy-29-Jul-12/


If one is confused about ALEC’s libertarian mission, they can look no further than Koch Industries and the Heritage Foundation’s mission statements. Their stated goal is eliminating the federal government, taxes, regulations, and democracy to reward big business and give them total and complete control of all aspects of governance through privatization and corporate-driven policy decisions at the state level. It is no coincidence that ALEC’s rise coincides with a former anti-government champion, Ronald Reagan, and one can follow the “government is evil” mantra from Reagan’s ascendance as governor of California to his disastrous presidency. Along the way, ALEC has worked tirelessly to accomplish Grover Norquist’s goal of “drowning the government in a bathtub” and turning over the reins of power to wealthy industrialists under the guise of “state’s rights” and Jeffersonian principles. By now it must be obvious that in referring to Jeffersonian principles, ALEC means “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” is reserved for wealthy white males and their corporations.

http://www.politicususa.com/people-vs-alec.html

What side are you on?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

It doesn't matter what your "claim" is in response to. What matters is you stated quite clearly that SF "has never said Zimmerman was innocent."

So that's a NO...you can't back up your claim that SF had NEVER said Zimmerman was innocent.

Just as I thought.

I have NEVER said Zimmerman was innocent.

 

[zappasguitar]

while i agree that the tone could be read as USF believing him innocent, i also believe it could be read as a neutral opinion about the entire, with a slant against the left's misconceptions about the matter.

you said he "claimed" zimmerman was innocent. his post "claims" no such thing.

this is just another sorry hateful lie by you. i have such pity for you, that i sometimes want to hook up and just smoke with you. you should smoke MJ, lighten up bro.

And this is just another example of the same petty semantic word games you like to play.

It's obvious USF thinks Zimmerman is innocent.

I'd ask him for an answer myself, but since his two frigid friends got banned, the coward won't respond to my questions.

 

[zappasguitar]

I would say you are reading it through partisan glasses. That post makes no claims of innocence, it simply points out how the left has already come to their conclusion and try to fit the evidence to meet that conclusion. While I agree with that, it doesn't mean that GZ is innocent, it simply means that the evidence that we have, which is far less than the jury will have, doesn't support that assumption of guilt.

Before a trial you generally get more reports of evidence that supports the defense than you get from the prosecution side. This seems to be the case here. There may be more damning evidence that we haven't seen yet, but if this is all they got I'd predict that GZ will be acquitted. This won't change my life, and I have nothing at all invested into this. It won't cement my partisan values either way regardless of the verdict. It is simply a prediction based only on the evidence we have seen.

Well, that would be your OPINION and you are welcome to it, but I would venture that YOUR opinion is tainted by your own partisan attitude towards certain posters here.

YOU state you think Zimmerman is innocent and it's obvious from his post that USF feels the same way.