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Mott the Hoople said:
Not really. He's actually quite right. It's the same thing as deep well injection. You're talking about materials nearly a mile underground and being capped by nearly a mile of impermeable rock. The risk to human exposure is minute to say the least. Hell it's one of the safest forms of land disposal there is, if not the safest. It's certainly superior to a subtitle C landfill which is pretty much the alternative.
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Mott, what of the fluids which return out of the well? You know, the so called produced water?
 
cannabis said:
i like how you're too chicken shit to address mott's posts on the subject.

mott cleaned your clock and you're too timid to address what he has said about fracking.
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He says that fracking is not an exact science yet they often have to drill vertically down between 5-10 thousand feet and then do a 90 degree turn along a seam of shale maybe only 50 foot wide which can twist and turn both vertically and laterally for over a mile. The only one of the myriad objections that I would consider a real worry is water, especially in areas like Colorado, that it is a real issue and concern. The industry is addressing that problem by re-using the water as much as possible and are starting to turn towards the use of compressed air as well.
 
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Ohioans ask: Is there enough water available to support a fracking boom?


Most heavy industries that need water, including power companies, locate their plants and mills next to large lakes and rivers.


That's not an option for the drilling industry.


Companies must get their water from wells or other water sources and either pump it to drilling sites in pipelines or drive it there in tanker trucks.


With the possibility of drilling more than 2,000 wells in the next three years, drilling companies are increasingly signing contracts with counties, cities, townships and regional agencies to draw water from public reservoirs and lakes.



http://www.weather.com/news/is-there-enough-water-fracking-boom-20121127
 
cannabis said:
i like how you're too chicken shit to address mott's posts on the subject.

mott cleaned your clock and you're too timid to address what he has said about fracking.
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Read the whole thread before opening your stinkhole. Better yet, point out where Mott cleaned my clock. Idiot.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
He says that fracking is not an exact science yet they often have to drill vertically down between 5-10 thousand feet and then do a 90 degree turn along a seam of shale maybe only 50 foot wide which can twist and turn both vertically and laterally for over a mile. The only one of the myriad objections that I would consider a real worry is water, especially in areas like Colorado, that it is a real issue and concern. The industry is addressing that problem by re-using the water as much as possible and are starting to turn towards the use of compressed air as well.
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It is true though that there is sometimes unwanted comunication between wells isn't it Tom?
 
I wonder where the water for all this fracking is going to come from.
 
Rune said:
Mott, what of the fluids which return out of the well? You know, the so called produced water?
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They can be managed. VOC's can be stripped or phase seperated the remaining water can preciptated and settled using standard waste treatment methods, the waters that meet waste water definition can be pre-treated and shipped to a POTW (publicly owned treatment works) or an onsite WWTP (Waste Water Treatment Plant) to meet SDWA standards before discharge and the residual waste not meeting waste water definitions can be treated according to the applicable RCRA codes to meet land disposal restrictions before disposal in a subtitle C landfill.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
They can be managed. VOC's can be stripped or phase seperated the remaining water can presiptated and settled using standard waste treatment methods, the waters that meet waste water definition can be pre-treated and shipped to a POTW (publicly owned treatment works) or an onsite WWTP (Waste Water Treatment Plant) and the residual waste not meeting waste water definitions can be treated according to the applicable RCRA codes to meed land disposal restrictions before disposal in a subtitle C landfill.
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Fracking companies are turning to re-use of the water instead of disposal. One useful statistic is that average well uses roughly the same amount of water as a golf course in less than a month. Cuadrilla, the company that is currently drilling in the Bowland Basin uses fracking fluid that consists of 99.75% water and sand, with the remaining 0.25% comprised of three additional ingredients: a friction reducer called polyacrylamide, which also is used in food packaging, adhesives, coatings, and paper manufacturing. a biocide to purify the water and weak hydrochloric acid to help open the perforations to initiate frack fluid injection. Notice that there is no use of aromatic hydrocarbons.

http://www.iom3.org/news/drilling-through-spin-uk-shale-gas-fracking
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
Fracking companies are turning to re-use of the water instead of disposal. One useful statistic though that average well uses roughly the same amount of water as a golf course in less than a month.
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Really?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
They can be managed. VOC's can be stripped or phase seperated the remaining water can prcsiptated and settled using standard waste treatment methods, the waters that meet waste water definition can be pre-treated and shipped to a POTW (publicly owned treatment works) or an onsite WWTP (Waste Water Treatment Plant) and the residual waste not meeting waste water definitions can be treated according to the applicable RCRA codes to meet land disposal restrictions before disposal in a subtitle C landfill.
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But that isn't what is happening now, is it Mott? In fact the so called "producer water" is in fact the water/chemical mix which was injected during the fracturing process isn't it?
And due to the exemptions from enviromental laws, it isn't being treated at all is it? Furthermore (and you should already know this) public water treatment plants are incapable of processing said water, since the contaminents are so far removed from the design parameters of the treatment plants, right?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Fracking companies are turning to re-use of the water instead of disposal. One useful statistic though that average well uses roughly the same amount of water as a golf course in less than a month.
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Cite? Never mind the fact that (according to you at least) the water is locked up thoudands of feet below the surface?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
That's just the public, journalists are almost invariably totally ignorant of scientific issues.
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Yes, that is true. Since they are the ones who communicate these issues to the public they often exagerate or simply don't grasp the facts at issue with the end result they end up alarming the public. I've had training on how to manage journalist and media on incidence response. Basically you escort them to a safe location, explain to them that you're really to busy dealing with the problem at hand to answer their questions, nicely ask they to stay out of the way and tell them that someone from HQ will be there to answer their questions and if they don't comply with request to stay out of the way of first responders to have security personnel remove them from the site.
 
The Environmental Protection Agency said this week that chemicals from "fracking," a controversial method of extracting natural gas from the ground, have polluted groundwater in Wyoming.


The findings represent the first time in the heated debate over fracking that the agency has drawn such a connection, which has long been claimed by environmental activists.



In a statement released on Thursday, the EPA said a study had found that groundwater in an aquifer around Pavillion, Wyoming, contained "compounds likely associated with gas production practices, including hydraulic fracturing."



Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, is a process in which water, sand and chemicals are injected deep into the ground to crack the shale rock and unleash natural gas. The process has sparked concern in part due to worries about its effect on drinking water.


http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/09/news/economy/epa_fracking_wyoming/index.htm?iid=EAL
 
Rune said:
Interesting. It seems that in your zeal to denigrate me, you failed to note that both Mott and Tom left many of my questions or points unaddressed.

It seems you may have spoken too soon, no?
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1. the point you wanted mott to address was posted when he was online. he has not been back online since. yet, you whine about it.

2. you often leave threads when tough questions are posed to you. you will either quietly run away, or claim some sort of variation of - i'm ignoring you - routine that you love so much.

if you really had an IQ in the 99th percentile, you would challenge me, you would accept my challenges.....yet....you always run away.
 
cannabis said:
1. the point you wanted mott to address was posted when he was online. he has not been back online since. yet, you whine about it.

2. you often leave threads when tough questions are posed to you. you will either quietly run away, or claim some sort of variation of - i'm ignoring you - routine that you love so much.

if you really had an IQ in the 99th percentile, you would challenge me, you would accept my challenges.....yet....you always run away.
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I offered you and your butt-buddy DY a challenge when I first came here, that still stands. Take my challenge, or shove off.
 
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