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I have found you to be one of the more intelligent posters in the past so please don't swear at me, I said that it originated from the DoE website. The original can be found here, on page 63. Please don't be a prick in future.
I have found you to be one of the more intelligent posters in the past so please don't swear at me, I said that it originated from the DoE website. The original can be found here, on page 63. Please don't be a prick in future.
I apologize for swearing, but you are veering sharply into "Completely Full of Shit" territory here. Like I said originally, just looking for a little honesty. You're coming up well, well, well short.
Also, too, page 62 does not have the "original" of that image, unless the term "original" has a far different meaning in the UK than it does in the US..
Oh, the old denying the facts defense eh? Granted that's a hard one to beat. Doesn't make you right though. If you cared enough to research your position yourself, you would quickly realize there is ample evidence of earthquake activity involved with fracking. Should we do the math? I don't have a calculator with me but I can talk you through the formulas.
So, it is your considered opinion that Nature Journal has no specific bias in regard to this type of scientific study regardless of their use of pejoratives such as "denier" and "denial", etc. in regularly published articles, and that their blogs are therefore incapable of also posting leading articles which, within the article itself, tell you that 90% of the wells tested did not produce the predicted result that would be necessary to prove causality?
Okay. I'll pretend that too. It doesn't change one iota of the actual article which states clearly that it "seems", etc. then later that 90% of the wells tested for this supposed causality showed nothing of the sort... Not extremely suggestive of causality in actual plate movement.
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I didn't have to supply any info at all but I did. I know that the greenwash blogs love to say that there are hundreds of nasty chemicals going into fracking water but it's just not true and it kills them when they find out that the ones that are used are harmless. Oh I got the page wrong it is page 63, it looks to me that you want to nitpick on the data now, well I'm not playing that game the details are there. I chose the diagram from America Thinker because it is pretty and simple enough for the dimwitted to understand.
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No, I want you to admit that your source was this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/fracking_fluid_fear-mongering_farce.html
How difficult is that?
Tom, who prepared the document?
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Screw you, I am fed up of this game if you don't believe it then I really couldn't care less. I know you want to believe that there is hydrocyanic acid and plutonium in the water but there isn't. Look you are always claiming to be so clever why don't you stop being so effing lazy and do your own research?
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LMAO This thread is full of awesomeness.
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Yes I know what you wanted, well any fool with a smidgen of computer knowledge could have found the link with just a mouse click, it's not rocket science. I also know that you wanted to be able to say "well he got it from American Thinker so it must be crap", am I wrong?
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Bullshit. You tried to pass that off as a government document.
You were exposed. Again.
And you edited your 4:39 post at 4:47 AFTER DH busted you, to add in the American Thinker comment.
You were hiding it. you were busted.
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Well, yeah. I am here.
Damo it's too late for winky faces. After the last debacle Grind has cemented his place as my favorite mod, ever, and he can do no wrong in my book putting him up there with Cawacko. You are a distant second and Billy doesn't even place, sorry!
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I would also point out that the DoE pdf doesn't allow you to copy and paste!!
Farmers drilling ever deeper wells over decades to water their crops likely contributed to a deadly earthquake in southern Spain last year, a new study suggests.
The findings may add to concerns about the effects of new energy extraction and waste disposal technologies.
Nine people died and nearly 300 were injured when an unusually shallow magnitude-5.1 quake hit the town of Lorca on May 11, 2011.
It was the country's worst quake in more than 50 years, causing millions of euros in damage to a region with an already fragile economy.
http://www.weather.com/news/spain-quake-20121022
i already posted something on this, and yes drilling can and has produced earthquakes in the u s of a and internationally
i posted this on app
[h=2]
groundwater removal by over pumping added enough stress to a fault in spain to cause a deadly earthquake
Groundwater removal triggered the unusually shallow and deadly earthquake that hit Lorca, Spain, in 2011, according to a new study.
Scientists have known for decades that pumping water into the Earth can set off small earthquakes. But this is the first time that removing water has been identified as an earthquake trigger, researchers said. Both the size and the location of the quake were influenced by groundwater pumping, the study found.
"The fact that the very tiny stress changes due to normal processes, such as the extraction of groundwater, could have an effect on very large systems such as faults, that's very surprising," said Pablo González, lead study author and a postdoctoral scholar at the University of Western Ontario in Canada.
The researchers were also able to precisely calculate the physical changes that generated the quake. The results will help seismologists better understand the physics that control when an earthquake starts and stops — an important step in predicting when and where a quake will occur, and its size.
"We need observations of this sort to calibrate physical models" of faults, said Jean-Philippe Avouac, a geologist at Caltech in Pasadena, Calif., who was not involved in the study. "The initiation and arrest of [fault] ruptures are something we are trying to constrain," he told OurAmazingPlanet.
Small quake, devastating effect
The May 5, 2011, earthquake was a relatively moderate magnitude 5.1. Quakes of this size usually don't cause significant damage in developed countries. A 2006 earthquake of magnitude 4.8 near Lorca did not cause any deaths. [Video: What Does Earthquake 'Magnitude' Mean?]
But the 2011 quake ruptured only 0.6 miles (1 kilometer) below the Earth's surface, which meant the earthquake's energy was concentrated at the surface. Nine people were killed and dozens were injured, and both unreinforced masonry, like medieval churches, and modern buildings were damaged.
http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-spain-e...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
Groundwater removal triggered the unusually shallow and deadly earthquake that hit Lorca, Spain, in 2011, according to a new study.
Scientists have known for decades that pumping water into the Earth can set off small earthquakes. But this is the first time that removing water has been identified as an earthquake trigger, researchers said. Both the size and the location of the quake were influenced by groundwater pumping, the study found.
"The fact that the very tiny stress changes due to normal processes, such as the extraction of groundwater, could have an effect on very large systems such as faults, that's very surprising," said Pablo González, lead study author and a postdoctoral scholar at the University of Western Ontario in Canada.
The researchers were also able to precisely calculate the physical changes that generated the quake. The results will help seismologists better understand the physics that control when an earthquake starts and stops — an important step in predicting when and where a quake will occur, and its size.
"We need observations of this sort to calibrate physical models" of faults, said Jean-Philippe Avouac, a geologist at Caltech in Pasadena, Calif., who was not involved in the study. "The initiation and arrest of [fault] ruptures are something we are trying to constrain," he told OurAmazingPlanet.
Small quake, devastating effect
The May 5, 2011, earthquake was a relatively moderate magnitude 5.1. Quakes of this size usually don't cause significant damage in developed countries. A 2006 earthquake of magnitude 4.8 near Lorca did not cause any deaths. [Video: What Does Earthquake 'Magnitude' Mean?]
But the 2011 quake ruptured only 0.6 miles (1 kilometer) below the Earth's surface, which meant the earthquake's energy was concentrated at the surface. Nine people were killed and dozens were injured, and both unreinforced masonry, like medieval churches, and modern buildings were damaged.
http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-spain-e...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
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i already posted something on this, and yes drilling can and has produced earthquakes in the u s of a and internationally
i posted this on app
[h=2]groundwater removal triggers earthquake in spain[/h]groundwater removal by over pumping added enough stress to a fault in spain to cause a deadly earthquake
Groundwater removal triggered the unusually shallow and deadly earthquake that hit Lorca, Spain, in 2011, according to a new study.
Scientists have known for decades that pumping water into the Earth can set off small earthquakes. But this is the first time that removing water has been identified as an earthquake trigger, researchers said. Both the size and the location of the quake were influenced by groundwater pumping, the study found.
"The fact that the very tiny stress changes due to normal processes, such as the extraction of groundwater, could have an effect on very large systems such as faults, that's very surprising," said Pablo González, lead study author and a postdoctoral scholar at the University of Western Ontario in Canada.
The researchers were also able to precisely calculate the physical changes that generated the quake. The results will help seismologists better understand the physics that control when an earthquake starts and stops — an important step in predicting when and where a quake will occur, and its size.
"We need observations of this sort to calibrate physical models" of faults, said Jean-Philippe Avouac, a geologist at Caltech in Pasadena, Calif., who was not involved in the study. "The initiation and arrest of [fault] ruptures are something we are trying to constrain," he told OurAmazingPlanet.
Small quake, devastating effect
The May 5, 2011, earthquake was a relatively moderate magnitude 5.1. Quakes of this size usually don't cause significant damage in developed countries. A 2006 earthquake of magnitude 4.8 near Lorca did not cause any deaths. [Video: What Does Earthquake 'Magnitude' Mean?]
But the 2011 quake ruptured only 0.6 miles (1 kilometer) below the Earth's surface, which meant the earthquake's energy was concentrated at the surface. Nine people were killed and dozens were injured, and both unreinforced masonry, like medieval churches, and modern buildings were damaged.
http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-spain-e...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
And it's more then likely that farmers destroyed all the trees in the Sahara Forest and turned it into a desert
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i already posted something on this, and yes drilling can and has produced earthquakes in the u s of a and internationally
i posted this on app
groundwater removal triggers earthquake in spain
groundwater removal by over pumping added enough stress to a fault in spain to cause a deadly earthquake
Groundwater removal triggered the unusually shallow and deadly earthquake that hit Lorca, Spain, in 2011, according to a new study.
Scientists have known for decades that pumping water into the Earth can set off small earthquakes. But this is the first time that removing water has been identified as an earthquake trigger, researchers said. Both the size and the location of the quake were influenced by groundwater pumping, the study found.
"The fact that the very tiny stress changes due to normal processes, such as the extraction of groundwater, could have an effect on very large systems such as faults, that's very surprising," said Pablo González, lead study author and a postdoctoral scholar at the University of Western Ontario in Canada.
The researchers were also able to precisely calculate the physical changes that generated the quake. The results will help seismologists better understand the physics that control when an earthquake starts and stops — an important step in predicting when and where a quake will occur, and its size.
"We need observations of this sort to calibrate physical models" of faults, said Jean-Philippe Avouac, a geologist at Caltech in Pasadena, Calif., who was not involved in the study. "The initiation and arrest of [fault] ruptures are something we are trying to constrain," he told OurAmazingPlanet.
Small quake, devastating effect
The May 5, 2011, earthquake was a relatively moderate magnitude 5.1. Quakes of this size usually don't cause significant damage in developed countries. A 2006 earthquake of magnitude 4.8 near Lorca did not cause any deaths. [Video: What Does Earthquake 'Magnitude' Mean?]
But the 2011 quake ruptured only 0.6 miles (1 kilometer) below the Earth's surface, which meant the earthquake's energy was concentrated at the surface. Nine people were killed and dozens were injured, and both unreinforced masonry, like medieval churches, and modern buildings were damaged.
http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-spain-e...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
So basically you are saying that drilling artesian wells for water is more dangerous than fracking.
i never said that
fracking goes deep and can cause not only earthquakes, but also causes ground water pollution and air pollution unless done under tight constraints and even then, if sufficient subsurface strata are displaced or disturbed fracking can generate earthquakes
however, draining sufficient liquids from substrates can also generate earthquakes
the quest for energy products and potable water and its removal from substrates is only going to increase as the world population increases
there will be over 8 billion people on our planet by 2030 and the demand for food water and energy is only going to increase
and global climate change is happening, changing where we can grow food and get water
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Well you said that water being removed by artesian wells caused a magnitude 5 earthquake in Spain, I haven't seen an earthquake of anywhere near that size blamed on fracking.