Right to work...for LESS

[Liberty]

Who are you talking about with "you guys?" Again, I am not a Republican, I am a Conservative. Boehner is a Republican. Conservatives do not control a political party. They have made inroads into the Republican party at times, but that continues to be an uphill battle. The primary problem being the perception you just articulated, that Republicans and Conservatives are all the same lot.

Here's a little tip for you, understand that Conservatism is opposed to Big Government, while Republicans are not necessarily, and Democrats are the Party OF Big Government.



As opposed to the Party OF Big Government, sure did. If my only viable choices are the party that supports Big Government and the party that might be inclined to support Conservative principles of smaller limited government, I am going with the later. Sorry!

There's a big difference in what I/libertarian call a constitutional limited form of government, and what you/conservative call a constitutional limited form of government. I/libartarian make you/conservative look like a big government tyrant.

Conservatives will never do anything meaningful in cutting government, and there's never enough prisons in their minds.

 

[zappasguitar]

What part of "break unions" don't you understand Dixie Lou? Now you have moved the goalposts because Norquist didn't say "dismantle unions"

Not only are you a pin head, you are a dishonest piece of shit.

Isn't it ironic, when liberals and Democrats propose legislation, it gives people new rights or increases rights they had previously gained. When conservatives and Republicans propose legislation, it takes away people rights or restricts rights they fought for generations to gain.

Conservatism has become a cancer on our society and our people. It is more dangerous than any terrorist organization, because terrorists are honest in stating their hate for America. You right wing scum spit in the face of our ancestors, men and women who fought for labor rights. Some of them even lost their life in that cause.

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

BEHOLD!


Dixie again playing the same petty semantic word games Yurt is so fond of.

"He didn't say 'dismantle'...he said 'crush'."

Typical weasel words from the same guy who sure likes to talk like he's a "conservative".

Then of course the time came to put his money where his big flapping mouth is...and he abandoned his "principles" and let his hate guide his vote..

 

[Phantasmal]

I provided well researched, footnoted and well documented facts. You provided an emote. Your jar has one pea...LOL

Well, he does live in the State of Insanity by his own admission.

 

[Rune]

I still don't see where he says we're going to "dismantle unions" and you can repeat the same shit over and over again, he still did not say what you claimed. Sorry, it's just fucking not there. He said "crush labor as a political entity" and I agree with him on that, the unions should be crushed as political entities, the same as PACs and corporations. Still, the point is made, it is against the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution to "dismantle unions" because we have the right of association. You've simply NOT supported your statement.

As I often say, you MAY not be stupid, but you are batshit crazy.
I suggest you buy a thesaurus. Then maybe you will come to understand that there are often multiple words with similar meanings.

 

[Bfgrn]

BEHOLD!


Dixie again playing the same petty semantic word games Yurt is so fond of.

"He didn't say 'dismantle'...he said 'crush'."

Typical weasel words from the same guy who sure likes to talk like he's a "conservative".

Then of course the time came to put his money where his big flapping mouth is...and he abandoned his "principles" and let his hate guide his vote..

To double the irony, just like in Wisconsin, Dixie Lou and 'conservatives' side WITH government OVER the citizenry.

 

[zappasguitar]

To double the irony, just like in Wisconsin, Dixie Lou and 'conservatives' side WITH government OVER the citizenry.

Want another little dose of irony to go with what we've had so far?

I found this on the Raw Story website:

Republican lawmaker’s proposal exempted husband from Michigan ‘right to work’ law

A Republican state representative in Michigan proposed an amendment to exempt her husband’s job from the so-called “right to work” law which limits the ability of unions to collect dues.

State Rep. Lisa Posthumus Lyons (R) on Monday offered an amendment that would have added corrections officers like her husband, Brad, to the list of types of jobs not covered by the anti-union law. Police and firefighters had already been exempted from the legislation.

“When we talk about the brave women in police and fire we need to remember people in corrections,” Lyon explained earlier this week, according to MLive.com. “These guys work in conditions that we can’t even begin to imagine.”


“It’s not financial. It’s philosophy. I am saying we need to treat our corrections officers that way we treat our police men and women and firefighter men and women.”

Democrats, however, claimed that the proposal was an example of Republican hypocrisy.

“Why would she want to exempt her husband if this is such a great bill?” state House Democratic Caucus spokesperson Katie Carey asked. “We were kind of disgusted with it… We were just kind of disappointed that she would offer this amendment at the same time lauding this legislation.”

On Tuesday, Republicans chose to gavel down the amendment without giving it a vote.


Raw Story (http://s.tt/1wPW5)


So once again we see quite clearly that two-faced Righties want to exempt themselves and their families from the same laws they think are good enough for ordinary folk like you and I.

 

[Bfgrn]

Want another little dose of irony to go with what we've had so far?

I found this on the Raw Story website:

Republican lawmaker’s proposal exempted husband from Michigan ‘right to work’ law

A Republican state representative in Michigan proposed an amendment to exempt her husband’s job from the so-called “right to work” law which limits the ability of unions to collect dues.

State Rep. Lisa Posthumus Lyons (R) on Monday offered an amendment that would have added corrections officers like her husband, Brad, to the list of types of jobs not covered by the anti-union law. Police and firefighters had already been exempted from the legislation.

“When we talk about the brave women in police and fire we need to remember people in corrections,” Lyon explained earlier this week, according to MLive.com. “These guys work in conditions that we can’t even begin to imagine.”


“It’s not financial. It’s philosophy. I am saying we need to treat our corrections officers that way we treat our police men and women and firefighter men and women.”

Democrats, however, claimed that the proposal was an example of Republican hypocrisy.

“Why would she want to exempt her husband if this is such a great bill?” state House Democratic Caucus spokesperson Katie Carey asked. “We were kind of disgusted with it… We were just kind of disappointed that she would offer this amendment at the same time lauding this legislation.”

On Tuesday, Republicans chose to gavel down the amendment without giving it a vote.


Raw Story (http://s.tt/1wPW5)


So once again we see quite clearly that two-faced Righties want to exempt themselves and their families from the same laws they think are good enough for ordinary folk like you and I.

To me it just shows that conservatives have no morals, ethics or honesty. They are becoming a bigger cancer on our society every day.

 

[zappasguitar]

To me it just shows that conservatives have no morals, ethics or honesty. They are becoming a bigger cancer on our society every day.

They want to get theirs and they want to get it cheaply...the rest of us can just go F*CK ourselves.

 

[Bfgrn]

They want to get theirs and they want to get it cheaply...the rest of us can just go F*CK ourselves.

This isn't all the scum bag lame duck Republicans are trying to push through...

Memo to Michigan: Did You Not Hear the Voters on Women's Health?

An alarming set of bills is about to move to Michigan Governor Rick Snyder's desk as soon as today. Pushed through by lame-duck legislators who are about to leave office, these bills would make Michigan one of the most regressive states in the nation on women's health.

If Governor Snyder signs these bills, women in Michigan would lose access to safe and legal abortion -- and a range of other health services.

One bill would likely shut down many health care providers that provide abortion by enacting unnecessary and burdensome licensing rules. Another would ban all insurance coverage for abortion. And one of the bills would allow medical providers to refuse to provide any medical service -- from birth control to blood transfusions.

Just a month ago, voters in Michigan and across the country sent a clear message that they don't want politicians to meddle in women's personal health care decisions.

Candidates who won advocated for broad access to contraception, supported access to safe and legal abortion, and vowed to respect women's personal health care decisions. Candidates who advocated for laws like the ones advancing in Michigan lost.

The message could not have been clearer, but some politicians in Michigan didn't get it.

Indeed, several of the legislators in Michigan who are advocating the hardest for these bills were voted out of office. They're trying to pass these extreme bills on their way out the door -- and they just might succeed.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

This isn't all the scum bag lame duck Republicans are trying to push through...

Memo to Michigan: Did You Not Hear the Voters on Women's Health?

An alarming set of bills is about to move to Michigan Governor Rick Snyder's desk as soon as today. Pushed through by lame-duck legislators who are about to leave office, these bills would make Michigan one of the most regressive states in the nation on women's health.

If Governor Snyder signs these bills, women in Michigan would lose access to safe and legal abortion -- and a range of other health services.

One bill would likely shut down many health care providers that provide abortion by enacting unnecessary and burdensome licensing rules. Another would ban all insurance coverage for abortion. And one of the bills would allow medical providers to refuse to provide any medical service -- from birth control to blood transfusions.

Just a month ago, voters in Michigan and across the country sent a clear message that they don't want politicians to meddle in women's personal health care decisions.

Candidates who won advocated for broad access to contraception, supported access to safe and legal abortion, and vowed to respect women's personal health care decisions. Candidates who advocated for laws like the ones advancing in Michigan lost.

The message could not have been clearer, but some politicians in Michigan didn't get it.

Indeed, several of the legislators in Michigan who are advocating the hardest for these bills were voted out of office. They're trying to pass these extreme bills on their way out the door -- and they just might succeed.

Listen, none of this will stand in Michigan, and they are going to decimate their party at the state level. There's going to be a bloodbath at the polls. I just really don't get the whole kamikaze mission they are on, but this only ends one way.

 

[Rune]

Listen, none of this will stand in Michigan, and they are going to decimate their party at the state level. There's going to be a bloodbath at the polls. I just really don't get the whole kamikaze mission they are on, but this only ends one way.

The whole thing (GOP insanity) does have a kamikaze feel to it.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

remember guys, if the takers get on your nerves, just let them know again that they lost, and what they think doesn't matter... the people voted against their taking tendencies.

Sorry Takers

 

[Banned]

Such dishonest posting!!
Unions protect union members and often violently assault non union workers.

Union workers do less work, often substandard work, and get paid more.

After the union has rifled their paycheck to maintain the lifestyles of the rich and famous union bosses, are they better off?

You know, the bottom line?
What comes home?

When I was expelled from local 223 for being English( 223 apparently is an Irish union), I was hired into a management role by the Irish company I used to work for( owned by real Irish, not a bunch of plastic paddies who have never visited Ireland)!
This move doubled my income!!

A slightly lower income however is better than no income isn't it?

wow. I have never known anyone who has been expelled from a union.
I have worked in a few union jobs too.
and unions are known for protecting deadbeats and such too.....

 

[Disillusioned]

wow. I have never known anyone who has been expelled from a union.
I have worked in a few union jobs too.
and unions are know for protecting deadbeats and such too.....

Protecting deadbeats, yes that's completely something we want to encourage, "you're a little shmuck? That's ok, you're not gonna get fired because you're all paid up to the other shmucks. No matter how little work you do or how much you fail, the man has to keep paying you."

Wonderful.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Protecting deadbeats, yes that's completely something we want to encourage, "you're a little shmuck? That's ok, you're not gonna get fired because you're all paid up to the other shmucks. No matter how little work you do or how much you fail, the man has to keep paying you."

Wonderful.

police unions, perfect example of covering up for bad cops.

 

[Banned]

Well, first we'll have to determine exactly what unions fought for, and what was that Dung? Over a period of time I believe that we'd have stopped child labor without unions, but overtime laws? The 40 hour week? Do you think that one might have been suggested first by unions? How about vacation time? If you have a certain number of employees you have to give health insurance? Minimum wage? Safety laws? Discrimination laws? These are laws, protections unions fought for that over time became codified.


The better argument would be that, if that was what happened. However, laws were passed, they give me many of the same protections that unions used to fight for... Nowadays unions are largely a branch of one of the parties that you are forced to partake in without regard to your right to assemble. Force to assemble is not the same thing as exercising a right.

Yes and unions played a very large part in getting those labor laws passed.

 

[Althea]

Yes and unions played a very large part in getting those labor laws passed.

Very true. And that's why the argument that unions are no longer necessary is a tad flawed. I'm as anti union as they come. I can tell you stories of gross incompetence on union jobs. But, ridding the country of unions will start a tidal wave of regression into the darkest days of labor having no defense against mgmt.

This is going to be an interesting fight to watch.

 

[Damocles]

Yes and unions played a very large part in getting those labor laws passed.

Which, IMO, wound up also making them, according to those young folk entering the market now, a bit superfluous. It isn't mean right wingers that brought them down, it is the fact that people entering the market for a very long time haven't believed that they offered a product worth paying for.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Listen, none of this will stand in Michigan

don't worry.....the bills don't actually do what Bfrn claims they do....which you ought to have expected in the first place.......

 

[Disillusioned]

police unions, perfect example of covering up for bad cops.

Wow, your mind has it's own personal gravity doesn't it? No matter where somebody throws the conversation, it always spins back the same way.

Never have gotten an answer to the question, how many tickets did the cops have to give you before you were eternally hating them because you can't drive within limits?