Obama Offers Boehner Old Ladies' Scalps

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If you're an 85-year-old lady (or man) living on $14,000 a year in Social Security, having your benefits cut by roughly $1,000 a year could mean choosing between paying for food or paying for medicine. In some cases it could mean the difference between life and death.

But that's apparently what President Obama is prepared to offer up in negotiations with Speaker John Boehner and the House Republicans to get a deal which avoids the fiscal bunny slope. (Stop calling it a fiscal "cliff" -- no one dies on January 2nd if taxes initially go up on everyone and a trillion dollars in spending cuts over 10 years initially go into effect. Problems only occur if within a few months Congress doesn't retroactively cut taxes on the middle class and reduce the spending cuts, in which case reduced demand could then trigger a recession.)

The Republicans' condition for letting Bush tax rate cuts on the wealthiest Americans expire is that Obama and the Democrats cut Social Security or Medicare benefits for some of the poorest and most vulnerable Americans. If Republicans are going to violate their "no new taxes ever" pledge to Grover Norquist, then Obama must violate his pledge to voters to protect social insurance. A scalp for a scalp.

Inside the beltway pundits might cheer Obama's "courage" if he abandons his campaign supporters and sells out the most vulnerable Americans.

But if the "chained CPI" is enacted -- which is simply a clever accountant's way to cut Social Security benefits without saying so -- a bunch of old people will hang by that chain from the neck until dead.

A scalp for a scalp. But all scalps aren't equal.

It would be no great sacrifice for couples making between $250,000-$400,000 a year to pay up to $5,000 a year more in taxes.

But losing $1,000 a year is a major sacrifice to an 85-year-old living mostly on Social Security.

Yet this is the "balanced approach" to deficit reduction that Obama is proposing as a "compromise" with Republicans.

It also throws the credibility of Democrats under the bus. Obama and the Democrats just won the election promising to protect Social Security and Medicare and end the Bush tax cuts for everyone making over $250,000. If Obama has a mandate for anything, it's this. Why should voters believe Democrats in the future if Obama, with support from Nancy Pelosi and Congressional Democrats, gives away his mandate? And why should grassroots Democrats work their butts off to elect Democrats again if within weeks of victory they sell out the fundamental principles on which they ran?

For a few weeks after the elections, Obama seemed to have grown a pair. Now it seems they're as tiny as they've always been. Obama negotiates with Republicans by negotiating against himself and pre-maturely caves on principles. (Click here to see the sickly satiric Tumbler on Obama's weak negotiating strategy. Read it and weep.)

The best hope is that Boehner and the House Republicans are dumb enough to reject Obama's too generous offer, Obama develops some cojones and takes benefit cuts off the negotiating table once and for all.

Going over the fiscal bunny slope isn't the end of the world. The stock market would probably tank when it reopens on January 2, much as it did when Congress initially refused to pass TARP in 2008, scaring Congress into passing TARP within a few days. The same is likely to happen if we go over the fiscal bunny slope.

Obama's negotiating hand would become vastly stronger. With the stock market tanking , CEOs screaming, and polls showing overwhelming support for protecting Social Security and Medicare and increasing taxes on the wealthy, it's likely that within a few days Congress would restore the tax cuts on the middle class without cutting Social Security benefits. Obama might have to make some compromises to seal a deal -- particularly if he also wants an extension of unemployment benefits and a little bit of extra infrastructure spending -- but if he's willing to hang tough, he won't have to sell out the basic principles on which he was elected.

So why is Obama prematurely negotiating away Social Security benefits and modest tax increases for the modestly wealthy? Is that just who he is? Does he clamor for the praise of the beltway punditry and Wall Street aristocracy who would cheer his "courage" for making a not very grand bargain that hurts the most vulnerable Americans?

If so, there may be some old ladies whose lives will be sacrificed on the altar of a not-so-grand bargain.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles...ehner-old-_b_2331017.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
 
The Republicans' condition for letting Bush tax rate cuts on the wealthiest Americans expire is that Obama and the Democrats cut Social Security or Medicare benefits for some of the poorest and most vulnerable Americans.

seriously?.....can you give me an example of a single Republican who has suggested we should fix SS or Medicare by cutting benefits for the poorest?......
 
I was opposed to the chained CPI at first but Obama put a clause in there to not have it means tested so the poor will be ok.

Of course, now that Boner's crying ass has told his playmates to pick up their marbles and run off, there probably won't be anything done,
 
I was opposed to the chained CPI at first but Obama put a clause in there to not have it means tested so the poor will be ok.

it amazes me when liberals demonstrate the extremes of their idiocy......did you really think that means testing was an effort to stop giving money to the POOREST?.......
 
seriously?.....can you give me an example of a single Republican who has suggested we should fix SS or Medicare by cutting benefits for the poorest?......

Surely you jest.

Of course they aren't going to use the term "poorest" .. but it doesn't take many brain cells to know who gets hit the hardest .. at the same time they are groveling for the rich.

Obama intends to do just what they want .. which is also what he wants.

As I said before the election, no matter who wins, Americans lose.
 
I was opposed to the chained CPI at first but Obama put a clause in there to not have it means tested so the poor will be ok.
Of course, now that Boner's crying ass has told his playmates to pick up their marbles and run off, there probably won't be anything done,

And you believe that?
 
Unacceptable!!!

If you're an 85-year-old lady (or man) living on $14,000 a year in Social Security, having your benefits cut by roughly $1,000 a year could mean choosing between paying for food or paying for medicine. In some cases it could mean the difference between life and death.

But that's apparently what President Obama is prepared to offer up in negotiations with Speaker John Boehner and the House Republicans to get a deal which avoids the fiscal bunny slope. (Stop calling it a fiscal "cliff" -- no one dies on January 2nd if taxes initially go up on everyone and a trillion dollars in spending cuts over 10 years initially go into effect. Problems only occur if within a few months Congress doesn't retroactively cut taxes on the middle class and reduce the spending cuts, in which case reduced demand could then trigger a recession.)

The Republicans' condition for letting Bush tax rate cuts on the wealthiest Americans expire is that Obama and the Democrats cut Social Security or Medicare benefits for some of the poorest and most vulnerable Americans. If Republicans are going to violate their "no new taxes ever" pledge to Grover Norquist, then Obama must violate his pledge to voters to protect social insurance. A scalp for a scalp.

Inside the beltway pundits might cheer Obama's "courage" if he abandons his campaign supporters and sells out the most vulnerable Americans.

But if the "chained CPI" is enacted -- which is simply a clever accountant's way to cut Social Security benefits without saying so -- a bunch of old people will hang by that chain from the neck until dead.

A scalp for a scalp. But all scalps aren't equal.

It would be no great sacrifice for couples making between $250,000-$400,000 a year to pay up to $5,000 a year more in taxes.

But losing $1,000 a year is a major sacrifice to an 85-year-old living mostly on Social Security.

Yet this is the "balanced approach" to deficit reduction that Obama is proposing as a "compromise" with Republicans.

It also throws the credibility of Democrats under the bus. Obama and the Democrats just won the election promising to protect Social Security and Medicare and end the Bush tax cuts for everyone making over $250,000. If Obama has a mandate for anything, it's this. Why should voters believe Democrats in the future if Obama, with support from Nancy Pelosi and Congressional Democrats, gives away his mandate? And why should grassroots Democrats work their butts off to elect Democrats again if within weeks of victory they sell out the fundamental principles on which they ran?

For a few weeks after the elections, Obama seemed to have grown a pair. Now it seems they're as tiny as they've always been. Obama negotiates with Republicans by negotiating against himself and pre-maturely caves on principles. (Click here to see the sickly satiric Tumbler on Obama's weak negotiating strategy. Read it and weep.)

The best hope is that Boehner and the House Republicans are dumb enough to reject Obama's too generous offer, Obama develops some cojones and takes benefit cuts off the negotiating table once and for all.

Going over the fiscal bunny slope isn't the end of the world. The stock market would probably tank when it reopens on January 2, much as it did when Congress initially refused to pass TARP in 2008, scaring Congress into passing TARP within a few days. The same is likely to happen if we go over the fiscal bunny slope.

Obama's negotiating hand would become vastly stronger. With the stock market tanking , CEOs screaming, and polls showing overwhelming support for protecting Social Security and Medicare and increasing taxes on the wealthy, it's likely that within a few days Congress would restore the tax cuts on the middle class without cutting Social Security benefits. Obama might have to make some compromises to seal a deal -- particularly if he also wants an extension of unemployment benefits and a little bit of extra infrastructure spending -- but if he's willing to hang tough, he won't have to sell out the basic principles on which he was elected.

So why is Obama prematurely negotiating away Social Security benefits and modest tax increases for the modestly wealthy? Is that just who he is? Does he clamor for the praise of the beltway punditry and Wall Street aristocracy who would cheer his "courage" for making a not very grand bargain that hurts the most vulnerable Americans?

If so, there may be some old ladies whose lives will be sacrificed on the altar of a not-so-grand bargain.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles...ehner-old-_b_2331017.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

I can't believe Obama is offering some sh*t like this? I hope the democratic senators and congressmen, reject any deal with cuts to these much needed social programs!

Obama made an asinine deal on the last extension Bush tax cuts too, he got nothing but a 13 month extension of unemployment benefits?!! Obama is not a very good negotiator!

obama-negotiator-121220.jpg
 
I can't believe Obama is offering some sh*t like this? I hope the democratic senators and congressmen, reject any deal with cuts to these much needed social programs!

Obama made an asinine deal on the last extension Bush tax cuts too, he got nothing but a 13 month extension of unemployment benefits?!! Obama is not a very good negotiator!

obama-negotiator-121220.jpg

He isn't negotitating for the American people. He never was.

All he has to do is appear that he's on your side, when in fact, he never was.

The first thing he did in the healthcare debate was to take single-payer off the table, then slide into the backroom with Big Pharma to cut his own deals.
 
Jill Stein on Social Security

OBAMA: Social Security is structurally sound. It's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neill.

STEIN: Both Obama and Romney-Ryan are both aiming for essentially for the same targets. They're both aiming for Social Security to be about 5% of GDP some years down the line whether it's four or eight years. Obama is already calling for some cuts, basically to the cost of living reimbursements. So, heads up about what is going to happen after the election. You will see the walk differ from the talk. We can fix this. For Social Security, we simply need to raise the cap on Social Security. It will be perfectly solvent when the rich are paying their fair share.

Social Security needs to be protected. People have put into Social Security--it is not an entitlement program in that sense. It is not a free lunch, not a government handout--it's a return on what people have put into it. It's critical to elders--their resources are being drained. Debt among elders is skyrocketing--we can hardly afford to trim back Social Security as would happen in a privatized system. We would challenge the very notion that Social Security is in crisis mode warranting messing with its foundations. It's not in crisis at all.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Jill_Stein_Social_Security.htm
 
Jill Stein on Social Security

OBAMA: Social Security is structurally sound. It's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neill.

STEIN: Both Obama and Romney-Ryan are both aiming for essentially for the same targets. They're both aiming for Social Security to be about 5% of GDP some years down the line whether it's four or eight years. Obama is already calling for some cuts, basically to the cost of living reimbursements. So, heads up about what is going to happen after the election. You will see the walk differ from the talk. We can fix this. For Social Security, we simply need to raise the cap on Social Security. It will be perfectly solvent when the rich are paying their fair share.

Social Security needs to be protected. People have put into Social Security--it is not an entitlement program in that sense. It is not a free lunch, not a government handout--it's a return on what people have put into it. It's critical to elders--their resources are being drained. Debt among elders is skyrocketing--we can hardly afford to trim back Social Security as would happen in a privatized system. We would challenge the very notion that Social Security is in crisis mode warranting messing with its foundations. It's not in crisis at all.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Jill_Stein_Social_Security.htm

Just lay down and take it in the ass. You aren't owed Social Security. The Supreme Court has ruled numerous times.

This is what happens when dupes put their faith in elected politicians. Why won't you learn?

You are worse than Charlie Brown thinking Lucy will finally let him kick the football.
 
Just lay down and take it in the ass. You aren't owed Social Security. The Supreme Court has ruled numerous times.

This is what happens when dupes put their faith in elected politicians. Why won't you learn?

You are worse than Charlie Brown thinking Lucy will finally let him kick the football.

Why would an ignorant backwoods ass trailer-trash motherfucker like you be posting to me about anything?

Very confusing.
 
BTW, I accidentally hit the 'groan' button instead of 'reply' before I wrote this, so that was not intentional. I never use that feature, only thanks.
 
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