The Left and their bizarre love affair with Islam

Threedee said:
Since 632 the Muslims have been attacking the West without cessation. This isn't about who feels persecuted; this is about the ongoing survival of the West.
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The historian that you are, isn't a more honest assessment is Eastern aggression meets Western aggression?
 
Darla said:
Many say that Muslim women take the veil, or the Hijab, willingly. I don't think I've seen it claimed they take the Burka willingly, but who knows.

I resist this idea, because IMO, they are the product of a culture that tells them this what they must do. I feel the idea of free choice, or willingness, becomes very sketchy at that point. Again, this is a difference I have with certain other feminists of my acquaintance. At times it has become heated.

The problem with all of this is, no matter what, the change has to come from within. So it really doesn't matter much what I believe. There's no doubt that where women are educated, freedom from many things becomes possible though.
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There is a lot of things about religion that I have never understood, especially Islam, but I was raised in the West, there is a lot I do not understand about other cultures, like eating grubs.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
I posted this in another thread that I feel sums it up rather succinctly:
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But the motives of the redneck idiots, as YOU so accurately label, brava, starfishgazer, unfree and, of course, 3d, is to justify their war mongering and repression of Muslim immigrants. The Muslims should be criticized for extremism and pressured to moderate. That won't be accomplished through bombing civilians or demonizing all that practice the faith.

When Christians act extreme we do the same. For instance, WBC. Nobody is saying those social conservatives are representative of all Christians or social conservatives. The response is not to fight wars or to close all churches. Chrsitians hold far more political power here, as well, so it is not just about how they abuse themselves and their children but their demands that others be pressured to do the same. Of course, there are extremists on the left too, who might want violent action against Christians, but you rarely hear of them running for congress (e.g., Fuqua, Mourdock, Akin).

The idea that the left has some bias against Christians and in favor of Muslims is unsupported and the reverse is more likely true.
 
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Doing research last night do you know the most despised and mistrusted group in the USA? Surprising, it wasn't Muslims, they got 38% of the vote, this group garnered 48% of the vote!
 
Stargazer said:
Do you actually believe only Christians find these actions abhorrent? Or is this just another strawdawg to divert from the topic?

I'm going with the latter.........
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Of course I don't believe that ONLY Christians find these actions abhorrent.

My point was THE REASON many Christians find it abhorrent.

NOT because they suddenly care so very much about the abuses of women around the globe...but because they believe they can make Liberals in a bad light by putting forth the lunacy that Liberals CONDONE the actions of a very few sick Muslims.
 
Rana said:
The historian that you are, isn't a more honest assessment is Eastern aggression meets Western aggression?
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At the time, Byzantium and Persia were warring with one another. That is why both fell apart so easily. As for the West, it wasn't really in the position to do anything. The numerous post-Roman kingdoms were just taking form.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Of course I don't believe that ONLY Christians find these actions abhorrent.

My point was THE REASON many Christians find it abhorrent.

NOT because they suddenly care so very much about the abuses of women around the globe...but because they believe they can make Liberals in a bad light by putting forth the lunacy that Liberals CONDONE the actions of a very few sick Muslims.
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Well, you kept mentioning Christians as if they are the only ones who can see the savagery of Islam. Doesn't take a religious nut to see a bunch of backward people acting like savages.
 
Stargazer said:
Well, you kept mentioning Christians as if they are the only ones who can see the savagery of Islam. Doesn't take a religious nut to see a bunch of backward people acting like savages.
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Yeah, if you are an example, I bet your family is often perceived that way by outsiders.
 
Rana said:
Show me where I have done so, i'll wait.
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Uh, you said my relatives are probably perceived as savages because, why again? Because I am pointing out people who act like savages?

That's your back-handed way of defending them, attacking me.
 
Rana said:
I don't despise any religion, just like guns, religions are misused by many humans.

Islam is an example. The poll provided by Melos shows countries where the extremists control the religion, funny, they never include Saudi Arabia, why is that?
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I'm not sure polls are allowed in Saudi Arabia. Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey, Pakistan, and Jordan all have a system with democratic features of varying degrees of functionality. Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, is one of the least free and least democratic countries in the world.

Rana said:
I wonder if a poll taken in the USA, England, Canada or Japan would show Muslims being in favor of these extreme forms of corporal punishment, and remember, the USA is considered barbarous because we still have the death penalty, I bet you would find the USA Muslims have adapted the culture of the West nd do not agree with stoning for breaking the law.
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Japan still has the death penalty as well. In fact, unlike here, where there's at least a debate, it has virtually unanimous support in Japan.

Also, there's some truth to what you said. I once listened to a lecture on comparative religion, and the professor* mentioned that he often found that his Christian students found more in common with American Muslims than Christian Lebanese.

*A southern Baptist minister, BTW.
 
Fluttershy said:
I'm not sure polls are allowed in Saudi Arabia. Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey, Pakistan, and Jordan all have a system with democratic features of varying degrees of functionality. Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, is one of the least free and least democratic countries in the world.



Japan still has the death penalty as well. In fact, unlike here, where there's at least a debate, it has virtually unanimous support in Japan.

Also, there's some truth to what you said. I once listened to a lecture on comparative religion, and the professor* mentioned that he often found that his Christian students found more in common with American Muslims than Christian Lebanese.

*A southern Baptist minister, BTW.
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I'm not sure that Saudi Arabia is a very good example of anything positive, the beheading of a 17 year old girl is a testimony to that.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/saud...untry-odds-international-standards-2013-01-09
 
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