Healthcare hikes... nothing to see here... move along

007 said:
Mine has, as have the co pays of most people I know.
An ER visit used to be $150.
Now it costse $1500.
On top of the $1800 another I pay, which increased from $900 a month a year ago.
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Whatever you do, don't blame the greedy insurance company CEO's who presided over each and every single insrease you experience..
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Once again you are full of shit.

My family's co-pay has not gone up one single penny.

We are never going to be able to have an honest discussion until lying Righties stop with the outlandish bullshit.
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I certainly don't want to be lumped in with the ignorance of the right .. but Obamacare has SERIOUS problems that extend far beyond the rising cost of premiums .. which it also has.

There aren't enough doctors already and Obamacare makes fewer of them, and fewer of them who will even accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Of the 750,000 doctors in America, 250,000 are over the age of 55 and more than half of those are over the age of 65. Medical schools are churning out fewer doctors and even fewer of them are going into family practice.

Half of the states in America won't build the exchanges, which leaves it up to the feds to do .. but there is no money allocated to do administer them.

Obamacare is not reform and is not sustainable.

Single-payer and Medicare-for-All were the only viable options.
 
blackascoal said:
I certainly don't want to be lumped in with the ignorance of the right .. but Obamacare has SERIOUS problems that extend far beyond the rising cost of premiums .. which it also has.

There aren't enough doctors already and Obamacare makes fewer of them, and fewer of them who will even accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Of the 750,000 doctors in America, 250,000 are over the age of 55 and more than half of those are over the age of 65. Medical schools are churning out fewer doctors and even fewer of them are going into family practice.

Half of the states in America won't build the exchanges, which leaves it up to the feds to do .. but there is no money allocated to do administer them.

Obamacare is not reform and is not sustainable.

Single-payer and Medicare-for-All were the only viable options.
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Your definition of "viable" is a lot different from mine.
 
Dungheap said:
Your definition of "viable" is a lot different from mine.
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That may be good brother, but Obamacare is most certainly not viable.

Medicare-for-All was not only viable, capable of working successfully, and feasible .. the infrastructure was already in place. All that remained was proper funding.
 
blackascoal said:
That may be good brother, but Obamacare is most certainly not viable.

Medicare-for-All was not only viable, capable of working successfully, and feasible .. the infrastructure was already in place. All that remained was proper funding.
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Well, proper funding and a Congress that would pass it.
 
007 said:
Mine has, as have the co pays of most people I know.
An ER visit used to be $150.
Now it costse $1500.
On top of the $1800 another I pay, which increased from $900 a month a year ago.
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I find a serious lack of honesty in your post, not that it surprises me. As well as a lack of proper use of the English grammar. Are you saying the copay for an ER visit is $1500 with your insurance company? And what do you pay $1800 for?

Two facts: a. You are misrepresenting your insurance costs; and b. ER's are not meant to be a do-all for medical care. They are for emergencies. What's so hard to understand about that?



blackascoal said:
I certainly don't want to be lumped in with the ignorance of the right .. but Obamacare has SERIOUS problems that extend far beyond the rising cost of premiums .. which it also has.

There aren't enough doctors already and Obamacare makes fewer of them, and fewer of them who will even accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Of the 750,000 doctors in America, 250,000 are over the age of 55 and more than half of those are over the age of 65. Medical schools are churning out fewer doctors and even fewer of them are going into family practice.

Half of the states in America won't build the exchanges, which leaves it up to the feds to do .. but there is no money allocated to do administer them.

Obamacare is not reform and is not sustainable.

Single-payer and Medicare-for-All were the only viable options.
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Didn't we go through all this just a couple of weeks ago, BAC?

Doctor/nurse shortages are addressed in Obamacare. And Obamacare does furnish the money for setting up exchanges, it's built in. The stubborn states that refuse to will suffer. And of course, single payor would be the best choice.
 
1800 is for premiums, apologies, predictive thingy on my phone!
I know what ER visits are for I took my child to the ER in a lethargic state on his Drs advice.
He had a double ear infection and pneumonia.
Is that acceptable use of ER facilities?
Should I check with you first in future!
Where did I say ER was a do all?
You lying liberal fanatic!
 
blackascoal said:
I certainly don't want to be lumped in with the ignorance of the right .. but Obamacare has SERIOUS problems that extend far beyond the rising cost of premiums .. which it also has.

There aren't enough doctors already and Obamacare makes fewer of them, and fewer of them who will even accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Of the 750,000 doctors in America, 250,000 are over the age of 55 and more than half of those are over the age of 65. Medical schools are churning out fewer doctors and even fewer of them are going into family practice.

Half of the states in America won't build the exchanges, which leaves it up to the feds to do .. but there is no money allocated to do administer them.

Obamacare is not reform and is not sustainable.

Single-payer and Medicare-for-All were the only viable options.
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Do not worry my friend, I would never lump you in with the monosyllabic ignorance of the Right...your responses are far too reasonable.

While I am not ecstatic with portions of Obamacare, I do believe it is an idea whose time has come. While it may not be what we'd wish for right out of the box, it is a good jumping off point and I think as time progresses we will be able to fine tune it and make it sustainable.

So maybe half the states won't build exchanges at first, but the people in those states know people in the states that DO have them and will find out the advantages of HCR...then they can begin voting out greedy pro-business Congressmen and Senators and eventually everyone will be on board.
 
Dungheap said:
Well, proper funding and a Congress that would pass it.
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The health insurance bill that Obama wanted is the health insurance bill that passed. He got the bill he wanted.

Russ Feingold: Obama got the health care bill he wanted
http://www.examiner.com/article/russ-feingold-obama-got-the-health-care-bill-he-wanted

The nonsense that Congress would not have passed a good bill is just that .. nonsense.

When republicans stone-walled .. even though many of their constitueents were also clammoring for healthcare reform, Obama could have taken a good bill to the midterms and made it THE issue. UNQUESTIONABLY, democrats, the left, and independents would have stood up for a good bill .. instead of staying home in utter frustration from Obama's weak leadership as they did.

The wisdom of passing Obamacare resulted in one of the biggest turnovers in the House in history and a bill that was only supported by about 30% of Americans upon poassage .. and has been as low as 19%. Even democrats didn't like it.

Today, the House is still controlled by republicans, and we're left with a bill that hardly addressed any of the critical issues of healthcare in America.

Healthcare without doctors and cost-controls is not reform.

What we got was tweaking that protected the health insurance industry.
 
OBAMADONTCARE mandates that one may be forced to purchase a product under pain of punitive taxation.

One day it might be applied to buying a burger!!
 
007 said:
OBAMADONTCARE mandates that one may be forced to purchase a product under pain of punitive taxation.

One day it might be applied to buying a burger!!
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The bold is really funny considering the article in the OP is about how the weak penalties won't do what is necessary to keep costs down.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Do not worry my friend, I would never lump you in with the monosyllabic ignorance of the Right...your responses are far too reasonable.

While I am not ecstatic with portions of Obamacare, I do believe it is an idea whose time has come. While it may not be what we'd wish for right out of the box, it is a good jumping off point and I think as time progresses we will be able to fine tune it and make it sustainable.

So maybe half the states won't build exchanges at first, but the people in those states know people in the states that DO have them and will find out the advantages of HCR...then they can begin voting out greedy pro-business Congressmen and Senators and eventually everyone will be on board.
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You should know that I went to make a sandwich to think about it before I posted my problems with Obamacare to you. Thanks for not lumping me. :0)

I agree with some of the goals in Obamacare, but it is simply bad law. It was written by the health insurance industry .. which should have alerted people then that the product was going to be bad.

There are not enough doctors for Obamacare, which invites 32 million people into an already broken system. That's a fact.

And of the shrinking pool of family doctors that remain .. who is going to cover Medicaid patients? Medicaid pays peanuts on the dollar. Medicare only pays a few peanuts more.

Wait times will inevitably increase exponentially, and finding a doctor in many rural areas will become a nightmare. Emergency rooms will still be packed and costs will continue to rise.

Democrats should have demanded more from Obama when the country was behind the issue.
 
Dungheap said:
You can believe otherwise if you wish, but Medicare for all was just not going to happen. Period.
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It wasn't going to happen without a president with some balls.

Otherwise, it would have.

You can believe what you wish, but Obamacare is not sustainable.
 
Obamacare was never written to be good law. It was written to fail and when it does, the private insurance industry will be so crippled that the leftists will say "See, we told you, we are the only thing left between you and dying".

Of course the low information voters who thought their taxes wouldn't go up will willingly follow along.
 
blackascoal said:
It wasn't going to happen without a president with some balls.

Otherwise, it would have.

You can believe what you wish, but Obamacare is not sustainable.
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I'd consider the possibility (remote as it is) that a public option was viable. Medicare for all simply would never have happened. Ever. Regardless of what the President wanted, it would not have happened.
 
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