EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-kill-list-doj-memo

BAC... the above is another good piece, you have likely already read it, but if not... more to support your case.

Thank you brother .. I had indeed read it as I've read much of what Greenwald has written on the subject. Thanks for not letting the thought that I'd read it stop you from posting it. The dissemmination of credible information bridges the gaps between political ideologies of sound-minded people.

I think we can all agree that killing innocent children is not a good thing .. and I'm sure that those of us not under Obamahypnosis can agree that no president should be able to murder anyone they want just because they can.
 
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I hope most of you listened carefully to the Brennan testimony today. I am quite satisfied that our Prez does not and would not order any strike against anyone, American or not, without careful and complete oversight by the number of agencies and political entities assigned to do exactly that. Sen. Feinstein testified that she had been involved in each and every order to use drones and that collateral damage was minimal, in the single digits per annum. Folks, WAR IS HELL.

Right now it appears that the black helicopter fools have an upstream swim ahead of them. It is being reported that 83% of Americans support this President on this issue while only 11% oppose him. An old Chief Master Sergeant once told me, "Well, we've always got that 10%." I knew immediately what he was talking about. This is not to say that I, too, have not on occasion been a part of the tiny minority because I certainly have and I imagine I will be again on particular issues. Sometimes I find myself way ahead of the curve. This is not one of those times. This is real and not to be fucking around willy nilly with.
 
I hope most of you listened carefully to the Brennan testimony today. I am quite satisfied that our Prez does not and would not order any strike against anyone, American or not, without careful and complete oversight by the number of agencies and political entities assigned to do exactly that. Sen. Feinstein testified that she had been involved in each and every order to use drones and that collateral damage was minimal, in the single digits per annum.
You believe that the collateral damage is in the single digits per annum? She actually said that?
It is being reported that 83% of Americans support this President on this issue while only 11% oppose him. .

Bullshit.
Are you thinking at all?
 
Your poll is a year old you lying piece of shit.

Here is something much more recent, like yesterday, in fact.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/02/no...oppose-killing-american-al-qaeda-with-drones/

A little from the piece:

Americans seem to recognize that we are at war with al-Qaeda. The Supreme Court has been very clear that Americans citizens who join enemy forces “are enemy belligerents within the meaning of . . . the law of war” and can be killed or captured on foreign battlefields. If you fight for America’s enemies in a time of war, you should have no expectation that your citizenship provides you with some sort of protective bubble on the battlefield. To the contrary, if you are an American who joins al-Qaeda you are not only an enemy combatant, not only a terrorist – you are also a traitor. You deserve no special protection because you were born here in the United States.



Now stick that piece of shit back in your filthy mouth where it came from.
 
[h=2]1. Equating government accusations with guilt[/h]The core distortion of the War on Terror under both Bush and Obama is the Orwellian practice of equating government accusations of terrorism with proof of guilt. One constantly hears US government defenders referring to "terrorists" when what they actually mean is: those accused by the government of terrorism. This entire memo is grounded in this deceit.
Time and again, it emphasizes that the authorized assassinations are carried out "against a senior operational leader of al-Qaida or its associated forces who poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States." Undoubtedly fearing that this document would one day be public, Obama lawyers made certain to incorporate this deceit into the title itself: "Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a US Citizen Who is a Senior Operational Leader of al-Qaida or An Associated Force."
This ensures that huge numbers of citizens - those who spend little time thinking about such things and/or authoritarians who assume all government claims are true - will instinctively justify what is being done here on the ground that we must kill the Terrorists or joining al-Qaida means you should be killed. That's the "reasoning" process that has driven the War on Terror since it commenced: if the US government simply asserts without evidence or trial that someone is a terrorist, then they are assumed to be, and they can then be punished as such - with indefinite imprisonment or death.
But of course, when this memo refers to "a Senior Operational Leader of al-Qaida", what it actually means is this: someone whom the President - in total secrecy and with no due process - has accused of being that. Indeed, the memo itself makes this clear, as it baldly states that presidential assassinations are justified when "an informed, high-level official of the US government has determined that the targeted individual poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the US".
This is the crucial point: the memo isn't justifying the due-process-free execution of senior al-Qaida leaders who pose an imminent threat to the US. It is justifying the due-process-free execution of people secretly accused by the president and his underlings, with no due process, of being that. The distinction between (a) government accusations and (b) proof of guilt is central to every free society, by definition, yet this memo - and those who defend Obama's assassination power - willfully ignore it.
Those who justify all of this by arguing that Obama can and should kill al-Qaida leaders who are trying to kill Americans are engaged in supreme question-begging. Without any due process, transparency or oversight, there is no way to know who is a "senior al-Qaida leader" and who is posing an "imminent threat" to Americans. All that can be known is who Obama, in total secrecy, accuses of this.
(Indeed, membership in al-Qaida is not even required to be assassinated, as one can be a member of a group deemed to be an "associated force" of al-Qaida, whatever that might mean: a formulation so broad and ill-defined that, as Law Professor Kevin Jon Heller argues, it means the memo "authorizes the use of lethal force against individuals whose targeting is, without more, prohibited by international law".)
The definition of an extreme authoritarian is one who is willing blindly to assume that government accusations are true without any evidence presented or opportunity to contest those accusations. This memo - and the entire theory justifying Obama's kill list - centrally relies on this authoritarian conflation of government accusations and valid proof of guilt.

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I hardly equate the babblings of a limey nincompoop commentator with the very serious testimony as delivered yesterday in the chambers of the United States Senate. OK with you? Never mind.
 
Noted that you entirely disregarded the proof I posted of Feinstein's lies.

You are either;

1. A serious idiot.

2. An Obama administration blogger.

If you are talking about your ridiculous list of links, yes, I ignored them. You offer no context, I give no time.
 
I hardly equate the babblings of a limey nincompoop commentator with the very serious testimony as delivered yesterday in the chambers of the United States Senate. OK with you? Never mind.



I am guessing you missed these?

Every single incident proves Feinstein is lying, blatantly. Fool.
 

I think even our President needs more "proof" than any of that to make even the most elementary decision. Don't get me wrong. I use Wiki myself and there is a lot of very good and accurate information there. But we are living in the here and now on these issues and Wiki hasn't had any time to catch up. Check back in a few months when you wash your panties out and come to your senses.
 
I think even our President needs more "proof" than any of that to make even the most elementary decision. Don't get me wrong. I use Wiki myself and there is a lot of very good and accurate information there. But we are living in the here and now on these issues and Wiki hasn't had any time to catch up. Check back in a few months when you wash your panties out and come to your senses.

She lied asshole.
There has been more collateral damage from many individual strikes than she credits"per annum".
It isn't that hard to figure out.
Do some research of your own.

While you are at it, research "double tap drone strikes" and come back here and tell me she approved of each, individually. I am sure her constituents will want to hear all about that.
 
She lied asshole.
There has been more collateral damage from many individual strikes than she credits"per annum".
It isn't that hard to figure out.
Do some research of your own.

While you are at it, research "double tap drone strikes" and come back here and tell me she approved of each, individually. I am sure her constituents will want to hear all about that.

I told you that if you have conflicting information to "spit it out". I've already done all the research I need to make the best and most intelligent decisions I can make on this subject. But, I am open to something new and current that I may not be aware of.

I've heard of people lying deliberately, or lying to cover up something but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone lying asshole. It doesn't make any sense to me.
 
I told you that if you have conflicting information to "spit it out". I've already done all the research I need to make the best and most intelligent decisions I can make on this subject. But, I am open to something new and current that I may not be aware of.

I've heard of people lying deliberately, or lying to cover up something but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone lying asshole. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Noted that you entirely disregarded the proof I posted of Feinstein's lies.

You are either;

1. A serious idiot.

2. An Obama administration blogger.

Your busted. We know you are not an idiot, therefore, you are an Obama Blogger. A propagandist. A regular Jane Fonda. Go die the death you deserve.
 
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