Obama: Modern Day Bush?

Obama Worse Or No Better Than Bush At Protecting Civil Liberties, Poll Finds Amid Drone Debate

A majority of Americans believe that President Barack Obama is either worse or no better at protecting civil liberties than former President George W. Bush, a new poll conducted by The Hill found.

While 44 percent of poll respondents believe Obama has bested Bush in balancing national security and civil liberties, 37 percent said he has done a worse job and 15 percent said he has been "about the same."

The poll also revealed that a majority of likely voters support killing non-Americans whom the government believes to be terrorists or imminent threats. Respondents also voiced strong support for the use of unmanned drones in foreign countries.

Surveying 1,000 likely national voters, the poll showed slightly better feedback for Obama coming from Democratic voters. Responses, however, cannot be solely attributed to party loyalty.

"The results cannot be fully explained as party line responses. More than one in five self-identified Democrats, 21 percent, assert that the Obama administration has not improved upon Bush’s record. So do 23 percent of liberals," the Hill reported.

As Obama faces scrutiny over the sharp increase in drone strikes during his presidency, the issue of protecting Americans against terrorism while maintaing civil liberties has been hotly debated.

The Justice Department promised to provide information on the drone program to Congress after demands arose to see the "classified legal advice providing the government's rationale for drone strikes against American citizens working with al-Qaida abroad," the Associated Press reported.

The demands grew when the unclassified "white paper" revealing information on drone strikes was leaked. The Senate Judiciary Committee also demanded Friday to see the classified papers as members of Congress question whether the drone strikes are constitutional or legal. In the weeks preceding the leak, the Obama administration rejected Freedom of Information Act requests to release the "white paper."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/obama-drones-poll_n_2662133.html
 
Those aren't lies. They're broken promises. From the site you claim to be a left wing shill. lol.



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Ok, I'm an idiot. I'm from Ohio and went to USC and therefore I need more hand holding than most. Since I don't see where on page one could I trouble you to tell me again the lie that Bush said that got us into Afghanistan?
 
Ok, I'm an idiot. I'm from Ohio and went to USC and therefore I need more hand holding than most. Since I don't see where on page one could I trouble you to tell me again the lie that Bush said that got us into Afghanistan?

While I agree with your first two comments completely, please understand that Howey has not answered. Which is why he continues to dance around pretending he did. He has no answer. Which is why he cannot answer.
 
Notice I asked it in the form of a question? You say Bush lied to get us into Afghanistan. It's like pulling teeth to get you to state what that (those) lie(s) was (were). I'm not asking for lies you believe he said once we were already fighting. You said he lied to get us to go to war there. What were they?

howeytroll will never answer
 
Ok, I'm an idiot. I'm from Ohio and went to USC and therefore I need more hand holding than most. Since I don't see where on page one could I trouble you to tell me again the lie that Bush said that got us into Afghanistan?

I was reading an article awhile back that stated Afghan and especially Toro Boro was biggest military blunder in modern military history.

The truth of the real reasons for invading and nation building in Afghanistan continues to be revealed. It always takes historians awhile to get to the truth.

The need to invade when special forces could have cleaned up the Al Queda camps will be a future discussion for historians and military colleges.
 
I was reading an article awhile back that stated Afghan and especially Toro Boro was biggest military blunder in modern military history.

The truth of the real reasons for invading and nation building in Afghanistan continues to be revealed. It always takes historians awhile to get to the truth.

The need to invade when special forces could have cleaned up the Al Queda camps will be a future discussion for historians and military colleges.

Fair enough and you're right with time more information (and the truth) usually comes out. I've heard many arguments/discussions about the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Other than those who believe Bush allowed or participated in 9/11 to use as a cover to go into Afghanistan I have not heard the claim Howey is making that Bush lied us into Afghanistan. I am just curious what that lie is (or lies are). For whatever reason he doesn't want to answer but that is why I am asking the question.
 
Not at all. Although Bush could have, I don't know, acted upon intelligence he received that an attack was impending rather than spend time on vacation golfing?

As far as Afghanistan, Bush lied. a. He said bin Laden was in Afghanistan, he wasn't. He said we'd hunt down and kill bin Laden. He didn't. He said the Afghan people wanted us there. They didn't.

Most of all? 9/11 had nothing to do with it. He planned on invading Iraq and Afghanistan long before 9/11.


So our government allowed 9/11 to occur to use as a cover to attack Afghanistan?

Good god. You even replied.
 
Good god. You even replied.

The taliban has bases in Afghanistan which harbored bin laden. Is that a lie?

If bin laden had been killed while Bush was President instead of Obama it wouldn't be a lie then?

Whether the Afghan people wanted us there was really irrelevent and that wasn't the selling point for going into Afghanistan.

Those are the three lies you claim?
 
Ok, I'm an idiot. I'm from Ohio and went to USC and therefore I need more hand holding than most. Since I don't see where you told me could I trouble you to tell me again the lie that Bush said that got us into Afghanistan?
A Buckeye who went to USC?
Congratulations you have done well to know how to log into a message board.
 
A Buckeye who went to USC?
Congratulations you have done well to know how to log into a message board.

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What lies kept it going?

It should have lasted no more than 6 months.

go in kick ass and take names, leave with the warning to not mess with us again or we will be back.

and we should not have invaded Iraq at all.
That was the was that was started on lies.

That's exactly what should have been done; but starting in the 1960's, we started letting the politicians decide what the Military should or shouldn't do.
 
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