What should they pay.

Jarod said:
It would be more difficult, but we are taxing hard work and a desire to move up economically while we are not taxing those who want to rest the accomplishments of there ancestors.
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More difficult? It would be damn near impossible. Are you going to send government agents to all people's homes and make sure they've listed their art collection or jewlerey among numerous other items? And we already have a death (or estate if you prefer) tax.
 
Jarod said:
YES, the poor should pay less and the wealthy should not get away with so many loopholes. When EXXON pays 0 in taxes and these people pay $2,000, that is a HUGE injustice.

I would perfer to tax wealth and do away with income tax. That way those willing to work hard could move up more easily, while those who inherit would have to work to keep it.
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EXXON is the largest oil producer in the world, oil being the life blood of the United States and the world in general.
Employs 10's of thousands of people and is responsible, directly and indirectly, for 10's of billions of tax revenue generated.....

Your green card friends, contribute little to nothing in the grand scheme of things by comparison, and they are probably living better than they
could have ever dreamed of in their native country........and those are the cold hard facts of life.
 
Why are Democrats obsessed with others peoples money and their constant scheming of ways pick their pockets ?

A simple law stating that every person working in the country will pay 10 or 15 % of their total earnings, no ifs, ands, or buts, as their share of the cost of government....then we can start on dismantling the ridiculous perks, pensions, and pay for federal employees and civil servents beginning at the top of the Washington DC food chain.
 
cawacko said:
More difficult? It would be damn near impossible. Are you going to send government agents to all people's homes and make sure they've listed their art collection or jewlerey among numerous other items? And we already have a death (or estate if you prefer) tax.
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going to the moon was considered near impossible in 1955.
 
Jarod said:
It would be more difficult, but we are taxing hard work and a desire to move up economically while we are not taxing those who want to rest the accomplishments of there ancestors.
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One can also argue that taxing wealth punishes thrift. But that's not really my biggest concern. Taxing individual wealth would be invasive and unworkable.
 
NOVA said:
EXXON is the largest oil producer in the world, oil being the life blood of the United States and the world in general.
Employs 10's of thousands of people and is responsible, directly and indirectly, for 10's of billions of tax revenue generated.....

Your green card friends, contribute little to nothing in the grand scheme of things by comparison, and they are probably living better than they
could have ever dreamed of in their native country........and those are the cold hard facts of life.
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No, it is just a bunch of bullshit. The worker, engaging in free trade, contributes to society as well. We owe them no more or less than Exxon.
 
NOVA said:
Why are Democrats obsessed with others peoples money and their constant scheming of ways pick their pockets ?

A simple law stating that every person working in the country will pay 10 or 15 % of their total earnings, no ifs, ands, or buts, as their share of the cost of government....then we can start on dismantling the ridiculous perks, pensions, and pay for federal employees and civil servents beginning at the top of the Washington DC food chain.
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And you are not. Jarod is discussing alternative forms of taxation. It's no different than a discussion of the flat tax. You are just having your usual knee jerk reaction.
 
Jarod said:
going to the moon was considered near impossible in 1955.
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Yeah, that was a one time hurdle. You are talking about taxing 100s of millions of taxpayers every year. It would not work. You could only tax a few big ticket items that can't be hidden, like real estate, stocks and bank accounts. That would discourage those holdings in a way that could do harm.
 
SuperstringTheory said:
Yeah, that was a one time hurdle. You are talking about taxing 100s of millions of taxpayers every year. It would not work. You could only tax a few big ticket items that can't be hidden, like real estate, stocks and bank accounts. That would discourage those holdings in a way that could do harm.
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More estate tax, luxary tax, a fee on stock transactions, tax on bank holdings, tax on realestate holdings, tax on large money transfers, gift tax on large money transfer tax....

Sales tax on large luxary items, international airplane fairs, there are plenty of ways to work it.

None of it is fair, I simply think directly taxing the proceeds of hard work is one of the most unfair ways to do it.
 
SuperstringTheory said:
No, it is just a bunch of bullshit. The worker, engaging in free trade, contributes to society as well. We owe them no more or less than Exxon.
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Without the Exxons of the world, there would be few workers engaging in free trade, middle class lifestyles....there would only be an over abundance of ditch diggers....Corporations make the world go round, put food on your table and pay for your kids education, plus being responsible for most of the innovations that make our lives better and healthier.......morons take all that for granted .....
 
Jarod said:
More estate tax, luxary tax, a fee on stock transactions, tax on bank holdings, tax on realestate holdings, tax on large money transfers, gift tax on large money transfer tax....

Sales tax on large luxary items, international airplane fairs, there are plenty of ways to work it.

None of it is fair, I simply think directly taxing the proceeds of hard work is one of the most unfair ways to do it.
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Thanks for proving my point....

(Democrats are obsessed with others peoples money and their constant scheming of ways pick their pockets )

You actually believe what others have earned really belongs to everyone via the government.
 
NOVA said:
Thanks for proving my point....

(Democrats are obsessed with others peoples money and their constant scheming of ways pick their pockets )

You actually believe what others have earned really belongs to everyone via the government.
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I believe the profit they made is in part due to the working people who should share in those profits.
 
NOVA said:
Without the Exxons of the world, there would be few workers engaging in free trade, middle class lifestyles....there would only be an over abundance of ditch diggers....Corporations make the world go round, put food on your table and pay for your kids education, plus being responsible for most of the innovations that make our lives better and healthier.......morons take all that for granted .....
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Where would corprations be without the workers? It is just an idea, until you can implement, sell and distribute it, plus oil companies are a bad example, natural resources should be owned by the people!
 
NOVA said:
Without the Exxons of the world, there would be few workers engaging in free trade, middle class lifestyles....there would only be an over abundance of ditch diggers....Corporations make the world go round, put food on your table and pay for your kids education, plus being responsible for most of the innovations that make our lives better and healthier.......morons take all that for granted .....
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And without skilled workers, Exxon wouldn't exist. Oil Rigs don't build themselves.
 
Rana said:
I believe the profit they made is in part due to the working people who should share in those profits.
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They do.....they get paid for the labor they perform, just like investors get paid for the risks they take, and the managers get paid for the decisions they make.

If anyone of these groups don't like the arrangments, they are free to go elsewhere.

As a matter of fact, the laborers get paid even if no profits are made for a time..taking no risk at all so deserving none of the profits....they have best deal of all....

but if they want to share in the profits, they can invest like anyone else.
 
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Jarod said:
$1,826 is what they paid. NOVA is correct about that they were required to pay.

My question is what they should pay. I agree everyone should have skin in the game, but two thousand dollars is a LOT of money for these people.

They do not take foodstamps or any other government assistance. They are legal with green cards, but not citizens.

I dont really know for sure the answer to my question, but my feeling is that $500.00 to $700.00 would be fair for these people to pay. Plenty of very wealthy people pay less than $2000.
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You will need to back up your last statement?

Are you saying that $1800 is too much for them to pay for roads? military? schools? medicine for the poor? cops? teachers? fireman? post office? Obama's vacations?
 
Jarod said:
YES, the poor should pay less and the wealthy should not get away with so many loopholes. When EXXON pays 0 in taxes and these people pay $2,000, that is a HUGE injustice.

I would perfer to tax wealth and do away with income tax. That way those willing to work hard could move up more easily, while those who inherit would have to work to keep it.
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You want to try that again?

http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/Files/news_pub_ir_finstmts2011.pdf

Look at F-15. Exxon paid $31 billion in income taxes for a net effective tax rate of 46%. Your dear friends paid an effective rate of 4.8%. Seems pretty damned progressive to me.

BTW, I didn't even look at all the other taxes they paid in 2011 which totalled over $100 billion

If you tax wealth, you are in effect taxing income. How does one accumulate wealth? One accumulates it through income. What is sad is that you have inadvertently stumbled upon the liberals love with the income tax. It is done precisely to keep people from accumulating wealth and becoming independent, thus needing to be dependent on the gobblement.

It will be interesting to see how you respond to your myth of Exxon paying $0 in taxes being shredded right before your eyes. Spin away my friend. Spin away.
 
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