What should they pay.

NOVA said:
Sounds like these guys would ridicule Canada's VAT......... and isn't the VAT pretty common in Europe ?
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Actually, the VAT isn't a horrible tax system if you want equitable treatment. However, piling a VAT on top of our already bloated tax system would be a recipe for disaster. My bet is they have their eyes on everyones 401Ks

It will start insidiously. They started having hearings on it a few years ago.

Soon you will hear stories about how "risky" the stock market is. Of course how it is tilted toward the "rich". Then you will see articles about how little participation there is. Then you will see them offer you a great deal. Turn your 401K over to the gobblement and you will never have to worry about a thing. They will "GUARENTEE" you a 3% investment for LIFE. How can you beat that? Sure the market can have 15% returns a year, but they can go down 20% too. You don't want to have to deal with that do you? Oh no. Too risky. Let the gobblement handle it. What could go wrong? I am sure they will be as frugal as they were with Socialist inSecurity.

Oh, I know, it could never happen right? Tin foil/007 type stuff right?

Just watch
 
NOVA said:
That sounds like good Marxist propaganda bullshit to me....
For an individual you gain wealth by income. how you spend it or dispose it is irrelevant...
For a business wealth or owners equity is increased by income minus distributions...this I can agree with...distribution being the cost of doing business....

The first effect on Income tax on business is lessening what might be used to grow the business, it will stifle expansion to some degree, maybe completely...
There is no such thing as making too much money or having too much profit......
Any and all profit is used somehow....it goes to stockholders, it goes to labor, it goes to capital improvement, it goes to innovation, to goes to R & D.....and in all
of these cases, it leads to a growing economy and that wealth is recirculated throughout the system....

Any of that profit that goes to government is like burning it in a fire....Most of it, not all, but most
is wasted, lost, and pissed away for the most part.....every hand it passes through keeps some of it....and if it passes though enough hands, the crooks whose hands
it passed through get it.....

This is not to say that this happens in every single instance....sometimes the government actually throws a few cents of every dollar back to infrastructure or defence
of the nation, etc.....thats what keeps the pinheads happy and docile....
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You support a way bigger government then I do, welfare recipient.

I was stating facts and nothing more. Many people have high incomes and no wealth. Many have wealth and no income. How you spend is, of course, relevant. If you spend your money on assets that hold their value, appreciate or are income producing then you will either gain or retain wealth. If you just consume then you won't gain any wealth at all.

You do understand that we tax income now, right grandpa?

Resources spent on "defense" are almost entirely a waste.
 
SuperstringTheory said:
You support a way bigger government then I do, welfare recipient.

I was stating facts and nothing more. Many people have high incomes and no wealth. Many have wealth and no income. How you spend is, of course, relevant. If you spend your money on assets that hold their value, appreciate or are income producing then you will either gain or retain wealth. If you just consume then you won't gain any wealth at all.

You do understand that we tax income now, right grandpa?

Resources spent on "defense" are almost entirely a waste.
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The fact is, I never received anything from the government that I didn't pay for....and the rest of you post is just convoluted bullshit doubletalk that it
doesn't deserve a response.
 
NOVA said:
The fact is, I never received anything from the government that I didn't pay for....and the rest of you post is just convoluted bullshit doubletalk that it
doesn't deserve a response.
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You are on welfare and what I was responding to was convoluted as everyone of your senile posts are.

If you blow your money on crap your income will not increase your wealth. There is no arguing that.

For instance, when the government buys bombs and other instruments of death and destruction they do not increase our wealth.
 
Über liberals like Jarod think that no rate is too high!
An uber liberal is left of a turbo-lib.
Europe has much higher wealth tax, the property tax is how they get at your wealth as most people have most of their's in the house.
I believe this is partly why we dominate them economically.
 
The Dude said:
Über liberals like Jarod think that no rate is too high!
An uber liberal is left of a turbo-lib.
Europe has much higher wealth tax, the property tax is how they get at your wealth as most people have most of their's in the house.
I believe this is partly why we dominate them economically.
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Bear in mind that when it comes to libertarian tendencies, Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. The only reason Republicans want to cut taxes is to allocate more power to the private sector.
 
I Love America said:
no, the individual where it belongs
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Then why not enact campaign finance reform? Legalize drugs and SSM? Collectivize corporations? Make retirement plans community driven? Republicans aren't about individual rights. Neither party is and believing otherwise is the pretense of knowledge.
 
Shy Guy said:
Then why not enact campaign finance reform? Legalize drugs and SSM? Collectivize corporations? Make retirement plans community driven? Republicans aren't about individual rights. Neither party is and believing otherwise is the pretense of knowledge.
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Here is my campaign finance reform. Unlimited donations to whomever you please whenever your please. People aren't stupid they can follow the dollar. With all of this campaign finance reform we have they can't.

Why legalize things that have no medical value and are harmful?

Collectivizing anything is antithetical to the individual. It should be self evident that I would oppose it

Again, plan for your own retirement. Don't rely on others to compensate for your laziness

I never claimed republicans are about individual liberty. Lately they are democrat lite
 
Shy Guy said:
Bear in mind that when it comes to libertarian tendencies, Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. The only reason Republicans want to cut taxes is to allocate more power to the private sector.
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I think libertarians are gay'r than Elton John
 
I Love America said:
Here is my campaign finance reform. Unlimited donations to whomever you please whenever your please. People aren't stupid they can follow the dollar. With all of this campaign finance reform we have they can't.

Why legalize things that have no medical value and are harmful?

Collectivizing anything is antithetical to the individual. It should be self evident that I would oppose it

Again, plan for your own retirement. Don't rely on others to compensate for your laziness

I never claimed republicans are about individual liberty. Lately they are democrat lite
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1. Campaign finance reform gives the population as a whole to fund candidates by a reasonable amount, not just the upper income brackets.

2. Because people can make their own choices.

3. It gives workers incentive to make their company succeed. It gives workers control over their own livelihood. It gives workers the ability to better serve themselves and their community by collectively preforming executive functions and preventing outsourcing. How is that against the individual? It's against, subjugation, not the individual.

4. Why leave retirement up to private corporations and/or the government? Community plans are empowerment of the individual.
 
Jarod said:
It would be more difficult, but we are taxing hard work and a desire to move up economically while we are not taxing those who want to rest the accomplishments of there ancestors.
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Do you think that is particulalry common? That people rest on the wealth earned by their ancestors?

Should we make a new law that says the wealthy only get to pass on their money to one generation?
 
NOVA said:
Why are Democrats obsessed with others peoples money and their constant scheming of ways pick their pockets ?

A simple law stating that every person working in the country will pay 10 or 15 % of their total earnings, no ifs, ands, or buts, as their share of the cost of government....then we can start on dismantling the ridiculous perks, pensions, and pay for federal employees and civil servents beginning at the top of the Washington DC food chain.
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Im not obsessed with OPM, I am obsessed with trying to make it so that those who WORK HARD for the money they do have, get to keep as much of it as possable.
 
WinterBorn said:
Do you think that is particulalry common? That people rest on the wealth earned by their ancestors?

Should we make a new law that says the wealthy only get to pass on their money to one generation?
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I do think it is very common, I grew up with quite a few of those people and know many of them today. Most of the so called "Successfull lawyers" I know, dont make any money... they simply spend what there parents gave, or the interest off of what there parents gave, to make it look like they make a tun of money.
 
I grew up with several kids whose fathers "dident work, they simply managed the family money.

I had a great friend, I did not know it until later, who came from Vanderbilt money. He is a "VERY SUCCESSFULL" artist, living in a $2,000,000+ house in Manhattan. He presents the illusion that he made his money from his success as an artist... I only know the truth because I grew up with him and know the family fairly well. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy, I just think he should be honest about his "success" and should pay more in taxes than a guy who slaves away digging ditches or cooking McDonalds burgers.
 
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