Obama Renews Offer to Cut Social Safety Net in Big Budget Deal

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President Barack Obama raised anew the issue of cutting entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security as a way out of damaging budget cuts, a White House official said on Sunday, as both sides in Washington tried to limit a fiscal crisis that may soon hit millions of Americans.

Signaling he might be ready to explore a compromise to end automatic spending cuts that began late Friday, Obama mentioned reforming these entitlement programs in calls with lawmakers from both parties on Saturday afternoon.

"He's reaching out to Democrats who understand we have to make serious progress on long-term entitlement reform and Republicans who realize that if we had that type of entitlement reform, they'd be willing to have tax reform that raises revenues to lower the deficit," White House senior economic official Gene Sperling said on Sunday on the CNN program "State of the Union."

Republicans have long argued that the only way to tame budget deficits over the long haul is by slowing the cost of sprawling social safety net programs.

These include the Social Security retirement program and Medicare and Medicaid healthcare programs for the elderly, disabled and poor that are becoming more expensive as a large segment of the U.S. population hits retirement age.

While Obama also has proposed some savings on these programs, he has insisted that significant new tax revenues be part of the deficit-reduction formula, an idea Republicans so far reject.

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It isn't like you weren't told that Obama is a corporatist.
 
If Democrats want Republicans to raise taxes and cut defense, they have to cut, restructure or reform programs that are dear to their platform.

That's compromise. That's how gov't works, when it works.
 
If Democrats want Republicans to raise taxes and cut defense, they have to cut, restructure or reform programs that are dear to their platform.

That's compromise. That's how gov't works, when it works.


You're operating under the presumption that it is more important for Republicans to cut entitlements than it is to keep taxes as low as possible on rich people such that they are willing to trade one for the other. There's no evidence to justify that presumption. For Reublicans, cutting entitlements is a means to an end (lower taxes), not an end in and of itself.
 
If Democrats want Republicans to raise taxes and cut defense, they have to cut, restructure or reform programs that are dear to their platform.

That's compromise. That's how gov't works, when it works.

You completely ignore the fact that Obama WANTS to cut SS and Medicare. This has been glaringly transparent since the day he walked into office with Geithner and Summers.

With revenues already done .. and with Obama giving away all his best weapons which gave republicans 98% of what they want .. what do you think Obama has left to force the republican hand with?

Obama gets 'forced' into doing something he's wanted to do all along.

This is how partisan mindfuck works.
 
You completely ignore the fact that Obama WANTS to cut SS and Medicare. This has been glaringly transparent since the day he walked into office with Geithner and Summers.

With revenues already done .. and with Obama giving away all his best weapons which gave republicans 98% of what they want .. what do you think Obama has left to force the republican hand with?

Obama gets 'forced' into doing something he's wanted to do all along.

This is how partisan mindfuck works.

I don't ignore that fact. I agree with it, with certain conditions.

I don't want to see benefits to recipients actually cut. But there is a better way to administer both programs so that we don't eventually go bankrupt.

I don't know how anyone can feel secure about America's economic future - and by extension, about security & healthcare for seniors - with the way those 2 programs are currently set up.
 
I don't ignore that fact. I agree with it, with certain conditions.

I don't want to see benefits to recipients actually cut. But there is a better way to administer both programs so that we don't eventually go bankrupt.

I don't know how anyone can feel secure about America's economic future - and by extension, about security & healthcare for seniors - with the way those 2 programs are currently set up.

I don't know how anyone can feel secure about these programs or America's economic future with a corporatist and liar at the wheel.

Obama has already proven that he doesn't give a damn about healthcare for seniors .. which brings up an even more salient point .. the blindness and hypocrisy of his voters.

He told them that he had the same position as Romney on many of these issues .. yet his voters shouted the meme of 'saving' SS and Medicare by going after Romney.
 
Can We Please Stop Pretending Obama is “Capitulating” on Social Security?

Everywhere you look, the media narrative is that President Obama is “capitulating” to Republicans by agreeing to cuts in Social Security benefits.

And I have to ask, where is this collective political amnesia coming from?

Obama has made a deliberate and concerted effort to cut Social Security benefits since the time he took office. FDL reported on February 12, 2009 that the White House was meeting behind closed doors to consider ways to cut Social Security benefits, and that the framework they were using was the Diamond-Orszag plan, which was co-authored by OMB Director Peter Orszag when he was at the Brookings Institute.

The birth of the now-ubiquitous “catfood” meme came on February 18, 2009 with this FDL headline:

Hedge Fund Billionaire Pete Peterson Key Speaker At Obama “Fiscal Responsibility Summit,” Will Tell Us All Why Little Old Ladies Must Eat Cat Food

As I wrote in August of 2010, Peterson’s keynote spot was the worst kept secret in town; I knew about it because I had been on a conference call with about 40 representatives of various DC interest groups, many of whom had received written notice from the White House that Peterson was scheduled to headline the event. But nobody wanted to go on the record for fear of jeopardizing their relationship with the administration in its early days.

After FDL broke the news, Peterson was “disinvited” from the summit. Both he and the White House denied everything, but Robert Kuttner subsequently confirmed in the Washington Post that Peterson had, in fact, been scheduled as the keynote speaker that day.

The administration backed off its immediate plans for reforming Social Security. The New York Times reported that they were “running into opposition from his party’s left” who are “vehement in opposing any reductions in scheduled benefits for future retirees.” But NYT columnist David Brooks reported that shortly after the summit, “four senior members of the administration” called him to say that Obama “is extremely committed to entitlement reform and is plotting politically feasible ways to reduce Social Security.”

Undeterred, the White House began telling journalists off the record that they were interested in “establishing an independent commission (outside the congressional committee structure) to look at creating a specific reform plan.”

In January of 2010, a bill sponsored by committed Social Security slashers Judd Gregg and Kent Conrad which would have created an official commission to make recommendations about the nation’s deficit was defeated by the Senate on a bipartisan vote — 22 Democrats and 24 Republicans voted no.

After the Senate defeat, on February 18, President Obama issued an executive order creating what subsequently became known as the “Catfood Commission” anyway.

Unlike Bill Clinton’s Danforth Commission, which ended in deadlock, Obama set this commission up in such a way that it was stacked with deficit hawks who largely agreed on what needed to be done: 12 of the 18 members were to be appointed by Senate and House leaders in each party, and 6 would be appointed by the President. This virtually guaranteed that Social Security privatization fetishist Paul Ryan would be on the commission, as would Gregg and Conrad.

Among the President’s six appointments:

Chairman Erskine Bowles, described by Business Week as “corporate America’s friend in the White House.” Bowles had negotiated the deal between Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton to create “private social security accounts” where “taxpayers get some choice as to how to invest their contributions.” The deal fell through when the Monica Lewinsky episode jumped into the headlines.
As Bowles’ Republican Co-Chair, the President appointed loose cannon Alan Simpson, the former rich kid GOP Senator from Wyoming once famously said that those who were complaining that Social Security needed protection were “people who live in gated communities and drive their Lexus to the Perkins restaurant to get the AARP discount.”
Alice Rivlin was appointed by Obama to be chief wonk of the Catfood Commission, a Brookings Institute fellow who had been funded by Pete Peterson and a strong supporter of raising the retirement age to 70 — resulting in a 20% benefit cut to Social Security recipients.
David M. Cote, the Republican CEO of defense contractor Honeywell
The composition of the Commission was conveniently stacked with 14 of the 18 members committed deficit hawks looking to start balancing the federal budget on the backs of old people.

And who supplied the staff to the commission? Why, Pete Peterson.

Are we to believe that the President was blissfully ignorant of the agendas of the people he appointed to this commission, created with the goal of bypassing Congressional process?

With the exception of a few public dog and pony shows, the Commission conducted its deliberations in secret. But on June 16 of 2010, Alex Lawson of Social Security Works blew a hole in that secrecy on the front page of FDL when he caught Alan Simpson on live streaming video as he was exiting a meeting of the Catfood Commission. In real time, Alex got Alan Simpson to say what everyone in the room was thinking but wouldn’t say publicly. Simpson told Alex that the commission was “really working on solvency”:

We’re trying to take care of the lesser people in society and do that in a way without getting into all the flash words you love dig up, like cutting Social Security, which is bullshit. We’re not cutting anything, we’re trying to make it solvent.

The Catfood Commission ultimately failed it is mission, due in no small part to the work of people like Alex, Nancy Altman and Eric Kingson of Social Security Works who have consistently been out there informing and uniting interest groups and educating the public to the fact that, yes, the White House has an agenda of cutting Social Security benefits.

I don’t know why Obama wants to cut Social Security benefits. I do know that Obama has been honest about it from the start. In January of 2009, even before he took office, he told the Washington Post that he believed Social Security was a broken system and that “entitlement reform” was something he wanted to achieve during his tenure in office:

Obama said that he has made clear to his advisers that some of the difficult choices–particularly in regards to entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare – should be made on his watch. “We’ve kicked this can down the road and now we are at the end of the road,” he said.

Perhaps Obama wants to do what Bill Clinton couldn’t do. It’s clear the oligarch class has decided that this is what must happen, and that in order to be considered a “serious” person, this is what a President must do. Perhaps Obama simply wants to be considered a “serious person” by those in the ruling class.

But it’s clear that he did not arrive at the decision to “reform” Social Security and cut benefits because he is a poor negotiator, or because of Republican arm twisting. It defies all logic and reason to look at his actions over the years and think that the President is now “capitulating” on Social Security.

The President has been very forthcoming about the fact that cutting Social Security benefits is something he wants to do. When he said during the debate that he didn’t differ from Mitt Romney on entitlement reform, he meant it. It’s time for people to remove the rose-colored glasses and stop projecting their own feelings on to the man. It’s time to take him at his word.
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You're operating under the presumption that it is more important for Republicans to cut entitlements than it is to keep taxes as low as possible on rich people such that they are willing to trade one for the other. There's no evidence to justify that presumption. For Reublicans, cutting entitlements is a means to an end (lower taxes), not an end in and of itself.

You should just run around chirping 'tax the rich! tax the rich! tax the rich!'... oh wait... that is what you already do. Good parrot.
 
President Barack Obama raised anew the issue of cutting entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security as a way out of damaging budget cuts, a White House official said on Sunday, as both sides in Washington tried to limit a fiscal crisis that may soon hit millions of Americans.

Signaling he might be ready to explore a compromise to end automatic spending cuts that began late Friday, Obama mentioned reforming these entitlement programs in calls with lawmakers from both parties on Saturday afternoon.

"He's reaching out to Democrats who understand we have to make serious progress on long-term entitlement reform and Republicans who realize that if we had that type of entitlement reform, they'd be willing to have tax reform that raises revenues to lower the deficit," White House senior economic official Gene Sperling said on Sunday on the CNN program "State of the Union."

Republicans have long argued that the only way to tame budget deficits over the long haul is by slowing the cost of sprawling social safety net programs.

These include the Social Security retirement program and Medicare and Medicaid healthcare programs for the elderly, disabled and poor that are becoming more expensive as a large segment of the U.S. population hits retirement age.

While Obama also has proposed some savings on these programs, he has insisted that significant new tax revenues be part of the deficit-reduction formula, an idea Republicans so far reject.

more
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100515721

It isn't like you weren't told that Obama is a corporatist.

Cool, just give me everything I have paid in, and I will fend for myself for good, or bad. That is better than paying, and not getting it when I retire!!! Cut welfare spending, investigate fraud, put limits on number of dependents for those on welfare, it will change.
 
Only the people that actually understand macroeconomics.

Lots of those people think we spend too much, because we do - because we have to borrow to keep spending it, and because spending outpaces the rate of revenue generation.

It's a tough one. I definitely wish more people got it, but on threads like this, people still talk like it's the '50's & America is still a wealthy nation.
 
If Democrats want Republicans to raise taxes and cut defense, they have to cut, restructure or reform programs that are dear to their platform.

That's compromise. That's how gov't works, when it works.
I'm willing to do that with Medicare/Medicaid. It and defense spending are the major drivers of our national debt. I am unwilling to compromise on Social Security as it does not contribute to the problem.
 
I'm willing to do that with Medicare/Medicaid. It and defense spending are the major drivers of our national debt. I am unwilling to compromise on Social Security as it does not contribute to the problem.

SS does contribute to the problem, and it will contribute the problem more & more as the years go on. The fact that it's "paid for" not with bugetary dollars but with our own contributions to the system is basically a myth.
 
eliminate the top income cap on SS withholdings....
eliminate SS benefits for people earning more money in dividends, interest and pensions than most working people earn today.....
require people with high retirement incomes to pay for their Medicare insurance coverage regardless of age....
increase Medicare coverage for low income persons.....
Make the first $25k exempt from employee withholding for SS and Medicare (retaining employer contributions the same)
Eliminate EIC (which is intended to compensate for the SS and Medicare withholding just eliminated)....
 
eliminate the top income cap on SS withholdings....
eliminate SS benefits for people earning more money in dividends, interest and pensions than most working people earn today.....
require people with high retirement incomes to pay for their Medicare insurance coverage regardless of age....
increase Medicare coverage for low income persons.....
Make the first $25k exempt from employee withholding for SS and Medicare (retaining employer contributions the same)
Eliminate EIC (which is intended to compensate for the SS and Medicare withholding just eliminated)....

Libruls will never, ever support these measures because once they do, they effectively turn Socialist inSecurity into a welfare program. Now it is a defacto welfare program today, it isn't really seen as one. Doing what you propose would cause it to be seen as the welfare program it is.

Libruls will do whatever they can to keep Socialist inSecurity and Mediscare from being seen as welfare.

I am not sure what they are worried about, it is very clear that the country has been effectively socialized. Even the most die hard of so called conservatives balk when it comes to their own Socialist inSecurity.
 
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