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The Good, Racist People

By TA-NEHISI COATES
Last month the actor Forest Whitaker was stopped in a Manhattan delicatessen by an employee. Whitaker is one of the pre-eminent actors of his generation, with a diverse and celebrated catalog ranging from “The Great Debaters” to “The Crying Game” to “Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai.” By now it is likely that he has adjusted to random strangers who can’t get his turn as Idi Amin out of their heads. But the man who approached the Oscar winner at the deli last month was in no mood for autographs. The employee stopped Whitaker, accused him of shoplifting and then promptly frisked him. The act of self-deputization was futile. Whitaker had stolen nothing. On the contrary, he’d been robbed.

The deli where Whitaker was harassed happens to be in my neighborhood. Columbia University is up the street. Broadway, the main drag, is dotted with nice restaurants and classy bars that cater to beautiful people. I like my neighborhood. And I’ve patronized the deli with some regularity, often several times in a single day. I’ve sent my son in my stead. My wife would often trade small talk with whoever was working checkout. Last year when my beautiful niece visited, she loved the deli so much that I felt myself a sideshow. But it’s understandable. It’s a good deli.

Since the Whitaker affair, I’ve read and listened to interviews with the owner of the establishment. He is apologetic to a fault and is sincerely mortified. He says that it was a “sincere mistake” made by a “decent man” who was “just doing his job.” I believe him. And yet for weeks now I have walked up Broadway, glancing through its windows with a mood somewhere between Marvin Gaye’s “Distant Lover” and Al Green’s “For the Good Times.”

In modern America we believe racism to be the property of the uniquely villainous and morally deformed, the ideology of trolls, gorgons and orcs. We believe this even when we are actually being racist. In 1957, neighbors in Levittown, Pa., uniting under the flag of segregation, wrote: “As moral, religious and law-abiding citizens, we feel that we are unprejudiced and undiscriminating in our wish to keep our community a closed community.”

A half-century later little had changed. The comedian Michael Richards (Kramer on “Seinfeld”) once yelled at a black heckler from the stage: “He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger!” Confronted about this, Richards apologized and then said, “I’m not a racist,” and called the claim “insane.”

The idea that racism lives in the heart of particularly evil individuals, as opposed to the heart of a democratic society, is reinforcing to anyone who might, from time to time, find their tongue sprinting ahead of their discretion. We can forgive Whitaker’s assailant. Much harder to forgive is all that makes Whitaker stand out in the first place. New York is a city, like most in America, that bears the scars of redlining, blockbusting and urban renewal. The ghost of those policies haunts us in a wealth gap between blacks and whites that has actually gotten worse over the past 20 years.

But much worse, it haunts black people with a kind of invisible violence that is given tell only when the victim happens to be an Oscar winner. The promise of America is that those who play by the rules, who observe the norms of the “middle class,” will be treated as such. But this injunction is only half-enforced when it comes to black people, in large part because we were never meant to be part of the American story. Forest Whitaker fits that bill, and he was addressed as such.

I am trying to imagine a white president forced to show his papers at a national news conference, and coming up blank. I am trying to a imagine a prominent white Harvard professor arrested for breaking into his own home, and coming up with nothing. I am trying to see Sean Penn or Nicolas Cage being frisked at an upscale deli, and I find myself laughing in the dark. It is worth considering the messaging here. It says to black kids: “Don’t leave home. They don’t want you around.” It is messaging propagated by moral people.

The other day I walked past this particular deli. I believe its owners to be good people. I felt ashamed at withholding business for something far beyond the merchant’s reach. I mentioned this to my wife. My wife is not like me. When she was 6, a little white boy called her cousin a nigger, and it has been war ever since. “What if they did that to your son?” she asked.

And right then I knew that I was tired of good people, that I had had all the good people I could take.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-racist-people.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&
 
Stop the presses. A hollywood actor insulted by minimum wage racist.

How will we ever get past this?

And really, what a douchebag the deli owner is for hiring someone racist. He should mindread next time he's hiring.
 
What a great article! Thanks.

I'd like to point out a couple of things.

In modern America we believe racism to be the property of the uniquely villainous and morally deformed, the ideology of trolls, gorgons and orcs. We believe this even when we are actually being racist. In 1957, neighbors in Levittown, Pa., uniting under the flag of segregation, wrote: “As moral, religious and law-abiding citizens, we feel that we are unprejudiced and undiscriminating in our wish to keep our community a closed community.”

A half-century later little had changed. The comedian Michael Richards (Kramer on “Seinfeld”) once yelled at a black heckler from the stage: “He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger!” Confronted about this, Richards apologized and then said, “I’m not a racist,” and called the claim “insane.”

The idea that racism lives in the heart of particularly evil individuals, as opposed to the heart of a democratic society, is reinforcing to anyone who might, from time to time, find their tongue sprinting ahead of their discretion.

True. You normally can't tell a racist from a non-racist (unless he's got a sheet over his head :)). It's only until the words of hatred start spewing out that you know.

I am trying to imagine a white president forced to show his papers at a national news conference, and coming up blank. I am trying to a imagine a prominent white Harvard professor arrested for breaking into his own home, and coming up with nothing.

This is the point that needs to be hammered home. I read yesterday that the number of hate groups in America has risen exponentially over the past four years.

Why? Because a black man was elected President. You can holler foul! all you want, but it's obvious. The reason there's so much hatred for Obama isn't his policies, it's his color.
 
What a great article! Thanks.

I'd like to point out a couple of things.

In modern America we believe racism to be the property of the uniquely villainous and morally deformed, the ideology of trolls, gorgons and orcs. We believe this even when we are actually being racist. In 1957, neighbors in Levittown, Pa., uniting under the flag of segregation, wrote: “As moral, religious and law-abiding citizens, we feel that we are unprejudiced and undiscriminating in our wish to keep our community a closed community.”

A half-century later little had changed. The comedian Michael Richards (Kramer on “Seinfeld”) once yelled at a black heckler from the stage: “He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger!” Confronted about this, Richards apologized and then said, “I’m not a racist,” and called the claim “insane.”



True. You normally can't tell a racist from a non-racist (unless he's got a sheet over his head :)). It's only until the words of hatred start spewing out that you know.



This is the point that needs to be hammered home. I read yesterday that the number of hate groups in America has risen exponentially over the past four years.

Why? Because a black man was elected President. You can holler foul! all you want, but it's obvious. The reason there's so much hatred for Obama isn't his policies, it's his color.

Great points. I agree about the President, and it can be painfully annoying to discuss because people who disagree with Obama will jump in with "So if you don't agree with him you're racist?" Which, no.

However, only a real willfully ignorant person, or, a liar, would deny that much of the opposition to Obama has been racially motivated. Certainly, the early criticism of him, and the claims of his not being American, and he's a thug, and all that other shit...yeah that's coming from racism.


Some people don't like, and even hate, the President, because he is black and they are racist.

Some people don't like the President because they strongly disagree with his policies.

This is not rocket science, and only the willfully ignorant and the deceitful pretend otherwise.
 
You can holler foul! all you want, but it's obvious. The reason there's so much hatred for Obama isn't his policies, it's his color.

This is one of the things I think is both ignorant and dangerous.

There are plenty of reasons people would disagree with plenty of Obama's policies. To claim that it is all about racism, is dismissive of the issues. It also harms the people who are actually effected by actual racism.

I get that there are people who hate people of color. Yes, they exist. But to try an say everyone who disagrees or dislikes Obama falls into that group is simply willful ignorance or a blatant lie.
 
This is one of the things I think is both ignorant and dangerous.

There are plenty of reasons people would disagree with plenty of Obama's policies. To claim that it is all about racism, is dismissive of the issues. It also harms the people who are actually effected by actual racism.

I get that there are people who hate people of color. Yes, they exist. But to try an say everyone who disagrees or dislikes Obama falls into that group is simply willful ignorance or a blatant lie.

Please explain the rise in hate groups since his election.
 
Great points. I agree about the President, and it can be painfully annoying to discuss because people who disagree with Obama will jump in with "So if you don't agree with him you're racist?" Which, no.

However, only a real willfully ignorant person, or, a liar, would deny that much of the opposition to Obama has been racially motivated. Certainly, the early criticism of him, and the claims of his not being American, and he's a thug, and all that other shit...yeah that's coming from racism.

LOL... do you not see the contradiction in the two above?

Saying that much of the opposition is due to race is simply nonsense. But because you WANT to see the opposition as a bunch of racists, you can't accept the fact that the bulk of the opposition is due to his positions (or in many cases his refusal to give one)
 
Please explain the rise in hate groups since his election.

How about you link us up to the rise in hate groups to start with so we know where you are getting your data. Especially the 'exponentially' portion.

I ask because if you had 10 people in a hate group and it rose to 50, that would be a 400% increase. When you say it rose 400% it sounds like a lot. Now if that same 400% was because the size went from 10mm to 50mm, it is an entirely different story. Obviously I am using extreme numbers to further my point, but the numbers do matter. So if you would, please link us up to the data you are using.
 
You know I'm really pissed that this has turned into a bunch of fucking foot stamping bullshit about the President. I'm sorry I answered Howey's post.

That's not what this thread is about. Try reading the fucking article Superfreak, and the rest of you too. It's not the kind of thing you usually get to read. I found the last two sentences took my breath away. Try opening your little pea minds to something other than : Obama good. Obama bad.

Or get off my thread. I'll ban you guys from the next one.
 
Wow.

The Good, Racist People

By TA-NEHISI COATES
Last month the actor Forest Whitaker was stopped in a Manhattan delicatessen by an employee. Whitaker is one of the pre-eminent actors of his generation, with a diverse and celebrated catalog ranging from “The Great Debaters” to “The Crying Game” to “Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai.” By now it is likely that he has adjusted to random strangers who can’t get his turn as Idi Amin out of their heads. But the man who approached the Oscar winner at the deli last month was in no mood for autographs. The employee stopped Whitaker, accused him of shoplifting and then promptly frisked him. The act of self-deputization was futile. Whitaker had stolen nothing. On the contrary, he’d been robbed.

The deli where Whitaker was harassed happens to be in my neighborhood. Columbia University is up the street. Broadway, the main drag, is dotted with nice restaurants and classy bars that cater to beautiful people. I like my neighborhood. And I’ve patronized the deli with some regularity, often several times in a single day. I’ve sent my son in my stead. My wife would often trade small talk with whoever was working checkout. Last year when my beautiful niece visited, she loved the deli so much that I felt myself a sideshow. But it’s understandable. It’s a good deli.

Since the Whitaker affair, I’ve read and listened to interviews with the owner of the establishment. He is apologetic to a fault and is sincerely mortified. He says that it was a “sincere mistake” made by a “decent man” who was “just doing his job.” I believe him. And yet for weeks now I have walked up Broadway, glancing through its windows with a mood somewhere between Marvin Gaye’s “Distant Lover” and Al Green’s “For the Good Times.”

In modern America we believe racism to be the property of the uniquely villainous and morally deformed, the ideology of trolls, gorgons and orcs. We believe this even when we are actually being racist. In 1957, neighbors in Levittown, Pa., uniting under the flag of segregation, wrote: “As moral, religious and law-abiding citizens, we feel that we are unprejudiced and undiscriminating in our wish to keep our community a closed community.”

A half-century later little had changed. The comedian Michael Richards (Kramer on “Seinfeld”) once yelled at a black heckler from the stage: “He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger!” Confronted about this, Richards apologized and then said, “I’m not a racist,” and called the claim “insane.”

The idea that racism lives in the heart of particularly evil individuals, as opposed to the heart of a democratic society, is reinforcing to anyone who might, from time to time, find their tongue sprinting ahead of their discretion. We can forgive Whitaker’s assailant. Much harder to forgive is all that makes Whitaker stand out in the first place. New York is a city, like most in America, that bears the scars of redlining, blockbusting and urban renewal. The ghost of those policies haunts us in a wealth gap between blacks and whites that has actually gotten worse over the past 20 years.

But much worse, it haunts black people with a kind of invisible violence that is given tell only when the victim happens to be an Oscar winner. The promise of America is that those who play by the rules, who observe the norms of the “middle class,” will be treated as such. But this injunction is only half-enforced when it comes to black people, in large part because we were never meant to be part of the American story. Forest Whitaker fits that bill, and he was addressed as such.

I am trying to imagine a white president forced to show his papers at a national news conference, and coming up blank. I am trying to a imagine a prominent white Harvard professor arrested for breaking into his own home, and coming up with nothing. I am trying to see Sean Penn or Nicolas Cage being frisked at an upscale deli, and I find myself laughing in the dark. It is worth considering the messaging here. It says to black kids: “Don’t leave home. They don’t want you around.” It is messaging propagated by moral people.

The other day I walked past this particular deli. I believe its owners to be good people. I felt ashamed at withholding business for something far beyond the merchant’s reach. I mentioned this to my wife. My wife is not like me. When she was 6, a little white boy called her cousin a nigger, and it has been war ever since. “What if they did that to your son?” she asked.

And right then I knew that I was tired of good people, that I had had all the good people I could take.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-racist-people.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&
I love good people. It's so many on the lying Left that I find hard to take.
 
I really don't support this President. Do I like him better than Romney? Yeah. Look on women's issues alone I am never going to vote repuke, get over it. But I don't particularly support him. I am so sick and tired of the small minds on this board where everything has to be about OBAMA GOOD: OBAMA BAD.

Find a fucking monkey board and join in with them. Because that is the thought process of a monkey. I can find better conversations by talking to a bunch of smelly drunkards at the neighborhood bar. Maybe I will go there tonight and strike up political conversations with the town drunks, record them, and post them here and I will bet they will be far more interesting than the pea-brained shit that gets posted here every day. I'm so sick of it.
 
You know I'm really pissed that this has turned into a bunch of fucking foot stamping bullshit about the President. I'm sorry I answered Howey's post.

That's not what this thread is about. Try reading the fucking article Superfreak, and the rest of you too. It's not the kind of thing you usually get to read. I found the last two sentences took my breath away. Try opening your little pea minds to something other than : Obama good. Obama bad.

Or get off my thread. I'll ban you guys from the next one.

LMAO... so YOU commented on Howey's post, but no one else is allowed to or you will BAN us from your next thread. Take your meds little Darla... for thou hath once again taken a dive off the deep end.
 
I really don't support this President. Do I like him better than Romney? Yeah. Look on women's issues alone I am never going to vote repuke, get over it. But I don't particularly support him. I am so sick and tired of the small minds on this board where everything has to be about OBAMA GOOD: OBAMA BAD.

Find a fucking monkey board and join in with them. Because that is the thought process of a monkey. I can find better conversations by talking to a bunch of smelly drunkards at the neighborhood bar. Maybe I will go there tonight and strike up political conversations with the town drunks, record them, and post them here and I will bet they will be far more interesting than the pea-brained shit that gets posted here every day. I'm so sick of it.

By all means then, run along to your neighborhood bar. I am sure the other smelly drunkards won't mind.
 
You know I'm really pissed that this has turned into a bunch of fucking foot stamping bullshit about the President. I'm sorry I answered Howey's post.

That's not what this thread is about. Try reading the fucking article Superfreak, and the rest of you too. It's not the kind of thing you usually get to read. I found the last two sentences took my breath away. Try opening your little pea minds to something other than : Obama good. Obama bad.

Or get off my thread. I'll ban you guys from the next one.
It's the fact that a liberal raised the issue of race, YET AGAIN, Darla. This is hardly newsworthy.
 
Please explain the rise in hate groups since his election.

I have no claimed to know. But your insistence that it is based solely on Obama's race is based on your own ideology, not on facts. There is no evidence that one caused the other.

And there is certainly no evidence that all opposition to Obama is based solely on race.
 
You know I'm really pissed that this has turned into a bunch of fucking foot stamping bullshit about the President. I'm sorry I answered Howey's post.

That's not what this thread is about. Try reading the fucking article Superfreak, and the rest of you too. It's not the kind of thing you usually get to read. I found the last two sentences took my breath away. Try opening your little pea minds to something other than : Obama good. Obama bad.

Or get off my thread. I'll ban you guys from the next one.

Howey is the asshole who pissed all over your thread
 
This is one of the things I think is both ignorant and dangerous.

There are plenty of reasons people would disagree with plenty of Obama's policies. To claim that it is all about racism, is dismissive of the issues. It also harms the people who are actually effected by actual racism.

I get that there are people who hate people of color. Yes, they exist. But to try an say everyone who disagrees or dislikes Obama falls into that group is simply willful ignorance or a blatant lie.

LOL... do you not see the contradiction in the two above?

Saying that much of the opposition is due to race is simply nonsense. But because you WANT to see the opposition as a bunch of racists, you can't accept the fact that the bulk of the opposition is due to his positions (or in many cases his refusal to give one)

Are Obama's policies that much different than Bush or any other president? I think not. I cannot think of any reason, other than bigotry, for such a rise in hate groups in the past four years.

If it was due to his policies, wouldn't the number of registered Republicans rise exponentially?

How about you link us up to the rise in hate groups to start with so we know where you are getting your data. Especially the 'exponentially' portion.

I ask because if you had 10 people in a hate group and it rose to 50, that would be a 400% increase. When you say it rose 400% it sounds like a lot. Now if that same 400% was because the size went from 10mm to 50mm, it is an entirely different story. Obviously I am using extreme numbers to further my point, but the numbers do matter. So if you would, please link us up to the data you are using.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/us-hate-groups-top-1000

But the most dramatic growth in the radical right came in the antigovernment “Patriot” movement. These conspiracy-minded organizations, which see the federal government as their primary enemy, grew by 61 percent over the previous year. Their numbers increased to 824 groups in 2010, from 512 groups a year earlier. Previously, the only higher count of Patriot groups came in 1996, during the movement’s heyday, when the SPLC found 858 groups. Militias, the paramilitary arm of the Patriot movement, grew from 127 groups to 330 – a 160 percent increase.
 
This is one of the things I think is both ignorant and dangerous.

There are plenty of reasons people would disagree with plenty of Obama's policies. To claim that it is all about racism, is dismissive of the issues. It also harms the people who are actually effected by actual racism.

I get that there are people who hate people of color. Yes, they exist. But to try an say everyone who disagrees or dislikes Obama falls into that group is simply willful ignorance or a blatant lie.

It is not everyone, but to deny that there are those who do hate him because he is black, is just as ignorant and is a blatant lie.
 
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