North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

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When given power Republicans only seek to increase the power of the state. One who reasons that anything that impacts society impacts them and justifies a law, shows themselves as supporters of a totalitarian government.

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Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
When given power Republicans only seek to increase the power of the state. One who reasons that anything that impacts society impacts them and justifies a law, shows themselves as supporters of a totalitarian government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=2462770,b=facebook

Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.
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Goodness, the crazies are coming out of the woodwork.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
When given power Republicans only seek to increase the power of the state. One who reasons that anything that impacts society impacts them and justifies a law, shows themselves as supporters of a totalitarian government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=2462770,b=facebook

Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.
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Congress convened with Prayer in 1774...in the first Continental Congress, almost 240 years ago.....whats your point ?
 
NOVA said:
Congress convened with Prayer in 1774...in the first Continental Congress, almost 240 years ago.....whats your point ?
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That Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of Religion.


I just knew the same nutjobs so outraged over the supposed assaults on the 2nd amendment would be silent as a church mouse over this latest conservative attempt to establish an official religion and begin to turn this country into the theocracy they've always wanted.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
When given power Republicans only seek to increase the power of the state. One who reasons that anything that impacts society impacts them and justifies a law, shows themselves as supporters of a totalitarian government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=2462770,b=facebook

Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.
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My my my...


The outcry from the board's constitutional scholars is positively DEAFENING!!

What a surprise that the same bunch that's created literally DOZENS of threads devoted to the completely false claim that Obama wants to take their guns, would be silent as a church mouse on this subject.
 
NOVA said:
Congress convened with Prayer in 1774...in the first Continental Congress, almost 240 years ago.....whats your point ?
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Congress, as provided for by the Constitution, did not exist in 1774. Regardless, whether a prayer is "respecting an establishment of religion" is debatable these people are saying they don't care if it or any other act of government within NC does.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of Religion.
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1) I agree that it is f'in retarded to have a state have an official state religion
2) That said, this is a STATE doing it. Not Congress.

I just knew the same nutjobs so outraged over the supposed assaults on the 2nd amendment would be silent as a church mouse over this latest conservative attempt to establish an official religion and begin to turn this country into the theocracy they've always wanted.
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State vs. Federal... learn the difference

Again, I agree with you on the fact a state should not be doing this, but you should learn the difference.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
When given power Republicans only seek to increase the power of the state. One who reasons that anything that impacts society impacts them and justifies a law, shows themselves as supporters of a totalitarian government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=2462770,b=facebook

Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.
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Rowan county. That's where Elizabeth Doles home town of Salisbury is. A good friend of mine lives there.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of Religion.


I just knew the same nutjobs so outraged over the supposed assaults on the 2nd amendment would be silent as a church mouse over this latest conservative attempt to establish an official religion and begin to turn this country into the theocracy they've always wanted.
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Be fair. There's nothing unconstitutional about starting a public meeting with a prayer. I see two sides over reaching.
 
Superfreak said:
1) I agree that it is f'in retarded to have a state have an official state religion
2) That said, this is a STATE doing it. Not Congress.



State vs. Federal... learn the difference

Again, I agree with you on the fact a state should not be doing this, but you should learn the difference.
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So you believe that the states have the right to pick and choose which portions of the Constitution they wish to adhere to?
 
Ya know...these states would get a hell of a lot more done if they actually try to pass some laws that are, oh...I don't know...constitutional????
 
Superfreak said:
1) I agree that it is f'in retarded to have a state have an official state religion
2) That said, this is a STATE doing it. Not Congress.



State vs. Federal... learn the difference

Again, I agree with you on the fact a state should not be doing this, but you should learn the difference.
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Connecticut is a state too. See the 14th amendment.
 
Boris The Animal said:
Howey, what part of "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW did you miss??
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That's why we're called the United States, not the Fifty But Separate States. Our United States are governed by a singular federal constitution. Each state is governed by a state constitution. If that state passes a law that is later deemed unconstitutional under the US Constitution, they may no longer enforce such law.

What you're talking about is nullification, a pipe dream of idiots like you that the SCOTUS has rejected, citing Supremacy Clause of the Constitution and Article III of the Constitution.

May I suggest moving to North Korea once it's a hole in the ground? You can set up your own little government any way you want.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of Religion.


I just knew the same nutjobs so outraged over the supposed assaults on the 2nd amendment would be silent as a church mouse over this latest conservative attempt to establish an official religion and begin to turn this country into the theocracy they've always wanted.
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Good thing NC isn't Congress, then - which is the whole whole point of the Establishment Clause. MA and CT could establish Congregationalism, PA and RI could guarantee religious freedom across the board, and people could live free provided the Federal government didn't act with a respect to an establishment of religion.
 
Threedee said:
Good thing NC isn't Congress, then - which is the whole whole point of the Establishment Clause. MA and CT could establish Congregationalism, PA and RI could guarantee religious freedom across the board, and people could live free provided the Federal government didn't act with a respect to an establishment of religion.
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So you believe that the states have the right to pick and choose which portions of the Constitution they wish to adhere to?
 
You mean like adhering to the 1st, which allows states, but not Congress to pass laws respecting an establishment of religion. It's not the Establishment Clause which is stopping NC or any other state in 2013 - it's the possibility that it could be incorporated through the 14th Amendment, and we'll need a SCOTUS ruling for that one.
 
Threedee said:
You mean like adhering to the 1st, which allows states, but not Congress to pass laws respecting an establishment of religion. It's not the Establishment Clause which is stopping NC or any other state in 2013 - it's the possibility that it could be incorporated through the 14th Amendment, and we'll need a SCOTUS ruling for that one.
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That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You'd turn the entire Constitution into a house of cards that would collapse the first time some anal retentive type doesn't get their way.
 
That was deliberately how it was set up. MA and CT had established Congregationalism; NH, NY, NJ, DE, MD, VA, NC, SC and GA had established the Christian religion. This left PA and RI without any formalized establishment. The 1st Amendment was only going to state "...pass no law establishing a national religion..." but at the time no one foresaw the Barron v Baltimore ruling, and thought that this would not keep Congress out of state level religious affairs, so they substituted "respecting an establishment of religion."
 
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