Obama making historic mistake on Social Security

Repeat after me...

THIS IS NOT A SOCIAL SECURITY CUT.

I would much rather get a 1.4% increase to my SS and VA (now 1.7%) each year as opposed to letting republicans invest one (see 2007) or cutting services to veterans as Ryan wants to do.

btw...for those of you who don't remember, the chained CPI was the brainchild of Paul Ryan and the republicans. I guarantee you if it's dropped from Obama's budget proposal they'd be the first ones screaming.

There are several other avenues to address this, including dropping the SS limit, providing a one time raise to current social security recepients of 5-6% to ease the affect of the chained cpi and raise their income to above poverty levels, or (again) means test social security and medicare.

Here's a take on it from someone 67.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/17/1194742/-My-view-of-chained-CPI-at-age-67

Social Security should not pay less than the minimum wage for a forty hour week.
The present poverty guidelines are $11,490. Many people receive benefits up to 200% of poverty but SNAP households which are in many cases elderly people who are too sick and tired to work are expected to spend about 30 percent of their resources on food.

If the Minimum wage were $9/hr as Obama has proposed then a forty hour week would pay $360 and four paychecks a month would be $1440. That's an annual $17,280 per person; $34,560 for a retired married couple. That's where chained CPI should start. For people who choose to get on Social Security at age 62, $1440 a minimum of month would be reasonable and for people who are well enough off to wait to get on later at a higher payout means testing might be appropriate.

I would go farther to link chained CPI to passing a higher minimum wage people can actually live on, somewhere around five times the cost of a gallon of gas, and tie it also to a maximum wage for Congress so that when Congress votes itself a raise seniors and minimum wage workers get one as well.

The money to pay the poor more can come from paying the rich less with an end to subsidies to oil companies and agra business. Take the cap off Social Security taxes.

Let's end the foreign wars we are are wasting hundreds of billions on, cut our role as the worlds cop on the beat making the world safe for American corporations to put into power regimes favorable to their unregulated exploitation of third world nations resources and spend the peace dividend on finally winning Johnson's war on poverty and recognizing the mediation of climate change is a national security issue for that part of the Nation east and south of the Appalachians that is about to go down to join Atlantis.
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Darla said:
BAC someone said to me last night they thought Obama was doing this knowing Dems will be slaughtered on it in the midterms, and that then he will have the Republican Senate he needs to cut SS. I wonder if that is true. I find Obama very difficult to understand. I agree with you fully on this though.
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First, let's look at the facts.

The Sequester is Obama's idea. Question: Why would he put the American people under the gun in an attempt to force republicans to the table when he has never been able to force them anywhere throughout his administration?

Answer: Because he knew they wouldn't, which allows him to cut SS and try to blame it on them .. which has been his goal since the day he walked into office. He believes he can blame it on republicans .. just as he's been doing since he was elected. Which is not to suggest that republicans aren't ignorant and deserving of some blame.

He WANTS to cut Social Security and Medicare. He wants to be Bill Clinton ..or at least get paid like him. Don't forget where entitlement cuts came from .. Bill Clinton. Who is the corporatist King of All Time ,, Bill Clinton.

Yes, democrats are going to get slaughtered AGAIN in the midterms .. which AGAIN, suits Obama's agenda. The Tea Party was his best weapon during the last election.

But democrats aren't just going to get slaughtered because of entitlement cuts .. Obamacare is going to be a disaster .. which is what happens when you let the health insurance industry write the legislation that is supposed to reform them. How ignorant. How did democrats let him get away with that? They deserve to get slaughtered.

Democrats have allowed this man to damage the democratic brand forever. A man they knew very little of before they elected him.

You know what my position on Obama from day one .. unfortunately, I've been right all along.

The question is, what to do now that the entire world knows that Obama is indeed the corporatist con man that he is?

The CPI con in 2 minutes ..

 
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Howey said:
Repeat after me...

THIS IS NOT A SOCIAL SECURITY CUT.

I would much rather get a 1.4% increase to my SS and VA (now 1.7%) each year as opposed to letting republicans invest one (see 2007) or cutting services to veterans as Ryan wants to do.

btw...for those of you who don't remember, the chained CPI was the brainchild of Paul Ryan and the republicans. I guarantee you if it's dropped from Obama's budget proposal they'd be the first ones screaming.

There are several other avenues to address this, including dropping the SS limit, providing a one time raise to current social security recepients of 5-6% to ease the affect of the chained cpi and raise their income to above poverty levels, or (again) means test social security and medicare.

Here's a take on it from someone 67.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/17/1194742/-My-view-of-chained-CPI-at-age-67
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Howey, saying it's not a benefit cut is playing semantics. Chained CPI will result in my SS being over a thousand less a year. YOu can call that whatever you want, it's a benefit cut. And I am someone who believes SS should be raised, not cut. I really don't care what some diarist on the daily kos says about it. I also don't care that republicans want to do worse, what does that matter? I want a democratic president to act like a damned democrat not like someone who is not quite as crazy as the most radically right wing republican party in our history. I just cannot disagree with you more strongly. I feel that one byproduct of the internet is that we hate the other side's posters so much (usually with great reason), that we will do anything to defend "our side". I guess I just don't have that mentality and never have. Rather than saying, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, I always viewed it as just because two assholes got into a fight doesn't make one of them not an asshole.
 
Darla said:
Howey, saying it's not a benefit cut is playing semantics. Chained CPI will result in my SS being over a thousand less a year. YOu can call that whatever you want, it's a benefit cut. And I am someone who believes SS should be raised, not cut. I really don't care what some diarist on the daily kos says about it. I also don't care that republicans want to do worse, what does that matter? I want a democratic president to act like a damned democrat not like someone who is not quite as crazy as the most radically right wing republican party in our history. I just cannot disagree with you more strongly. I feel that one byproduct of the internet is that we hate the other side's posters so much (usually with great reason), that we will do anything to defend "our side". I guess I just don't have that mentality and never have. Rather than saying, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, I always viewed it as just because two assholes got into a fight doesn't make one of them not an asshole.
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I never said I agree with it, Darla. I'm just saying it's not the end of the world. What does that .3% add up to per year, 15 bucks?
 
Howey said:
I never said I agree with it, Darla. I'm just saying it's not the end of the world. What does that .3% add up to per year, 15 bucks?
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What it adds up to depends on how long you live. YOu know what Howey, I just feel that in a world where when a Medicare copay goes up five bucks, an old lady has to put back a small container of orange juice she wanted, this will be the end of someone's world eventually.
 
Darla said:
What it adds up to depends on how long you live. YOu know what Howey, I just feel that in a world where when a Medicare copay goes up five bucks, an old lady has to put back a small container of orange juice she wanted, this will be the end of someone's world eventually.
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Since I don't pay any co-pays, I don't know.
 
Darla said:
What it adds up to depends on how long you live. YOu know what Howey, I just feel that in a world where when a Medicare copay goes up five bucks, an old lady has to put back a small container of orange juice she wanted, this will be the end of someone's world eventually.
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What if your Medicare copay goes down? You do realize the proposal couples higher Medicare payments for wealthy seniors? And a demand for price controls on Big Pharma.
 
Let's do this. Once your SS payments exceed that which you paid in you get cut off. Surely you aren't entitled to more than you put in are you?
 
Althea said:
I actually like the Medicare cuts in this offer. Negotiated rates with Big Pharma, and an increase in premium payments to wealthy retirees. I see nothing wrong with that, especially since those who avoid taxation via cap gains tax liability only, don't even pay for Medicare. The only cuts to SSI should be a revamp of the disability system to rid it of fraud, as well as means testing for retirees
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What do you mean by means testing?
 
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I agree - how can we get word to Obama?
 
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