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The Bill of Rights was written for Dzhokar Tsarnaev

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TAMPA, April 20, 2013 – 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev is in custody. Assuming that Tsarnaev is indeed guilty of these crimes, a very real threat to public safety has been taken off the streets. That’s the good news.

The bad news is that the Tsarnaev brothers have taken the last vestiges of a free society in America down with them.

The Bill of Rights was already on life support before this tragedy. Before the dust settled after 9/11, the 4th Amendment had been nullified by the Patriot Act. The 5th and 6th Amendments were similarly abolished with the Military Commission Act of 2006 and the 2012 NDAA resolution, which contained a clause allowing the president to arrest and indefinitely detain American citizens on American soil without due process of law.

Americans had already grown accustomed to having their persons and papers searched at the airport without probable cause and without a warrant supported by oath or affirmation. After a brief, politically-motivated backlash against the Bush Administration, Americans similarly resigned themselves to the government tapping their phones, reading their e-mails and generally spying on them wherever they went. Things were already very, very bad.

They just got a lot worse.

Not only did the militarized domestic law enforcement complex put the City of Boston under martial law, but nobody seems to have found it out of the ordinary, much less outrageous. Yes, a few journalists like libertarian Anthony Gregory raised a finger. But, for the most part, nobody seemed to mind that the entire city was under military siege, complete with paramilitary units in full battle gear, battlefield ordinance and tanks. Tanks!


How did we get here? 238 years ago to the day, the inhabitants of the very same city started a war and seceded from their union over a mere infantry brigade attempting to disarm them. Now they cheer those who violate their rights much worse than the British ever did.

When Lee Harvey Oswald was similarly suspected of killing a police officer after assassinating the President of the United States, Dallas was not put under martial law. No tanks rolled through the streets. Oswald was armed at the time of his arrest and attempted to shoot the arresting officer, whose thumb stopped the hammer of Oswald’s pistol from discharging the weapon at point blank range.

It is noteworthy that the military siege was called off several hours before Tsarnaev was captured. In the end, he was found and taken into custody by the same methods that any other criminal has been for most of U.S. history.

So, there was no cause and effect relationship between the state show of power and the apprehension of the suspect.

Now, the DOJ has announced that Tsarnaev will not be read his Miranda rights, citing the “public danger” exception in the 5th Amendment. But the language in the amendment doesn’t remotely apply to this situation, nor is it even related to the protection against being a witness against oneself. It reads,
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

First of all, Tsarnaev is not in the Army, Navy or militia. Even if he were, the language would only have applied if Tsarnaev had been observed with the bomb in his hands just before committing the crime. The exception gives law enforcement the power to arrest him without first getting a Grand Jury indictment under those circumstances. It doesn’t release the government from the prohibition against compelling Tsarnaev to be a witness against himself after his arrest, which is the basis for Miranda.

If Tsarnaev is guilty, then the public danger was over once he was arrested. The government has no authority to waive any of its obligations for due process. He should be read his rights and allowed to remain silent without molestation. He should have an arraignment where he is given the opportunity to hear the charges against him and enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. If he is unable to afford a lawyer, one should be assigned to him at public expense. His guilt should be decided by a jury of his peers, not the government or the media.

The Bill of Rights was written for Dzhokar Tsarnaev. It wasn’t written for those suspected of minor violations.

The Boston Marathon bombing was a particularly heinous crime. No one with a pulse could help but feel deeply for the parents of an eight-year-old boy killed by this senseless act or the others killed or permanently maimed. Most red-blooded men would have liked nothing better than to have been the one who found Dzhokar Tsarnaev, praying he’d resist arrest.

Those are perfectly healthy feelings, but the awful power of the state is not supposed to be set loose based upon feelings. It is supposed to be restrained by reason. God help us if we forget.

Tom Mullen is the author of A Return to Common Sense: Reawakening Liberty in the Inhabitants of America.
 
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I will concede that I fully understand and appreciate these basic American facts. Especially as a citizen, this douchefuck has the full rights of due process and fair trial accorded to him. Notice that he was removed from the scene of his capture in an armored truck?

That said, I hope he suffers horribly, and has his rights trampled on by zealots who lack conviction and passion for our constitution and traditions, because he is a douchefuck. That is, I am wishing I can have it both ways.
 
I will concede that I fully understand and appreciate these basic American facts. Especially as a citizen, this douchefuck has the full rights of due process and fair trial accorded to him. Notice that he was removed from the scene of his capture in an armored truck?

That said, I hope he suffers horribly, and has his rights trampled on by zealots who lack conviction and passion for our constitution and traditions, because he is a douchefuck. That is, I am wishing I can have it both ways.

Not I. We're a nation that theoretically believes in freedom and equality of men. I want him treated fairly and in accordance with his rights as an American and a human being.
 
there weren't tanks for oswald because he didn't have fucking bombs and grenades. Guns might be dangerous but they are still relatively localized. They didn't know if this bomber had a suicide vest, he was throwing molotov cocktails, clearly you might need some armored vehicles for that type of stuff.
 
Now, the DOJ has announced that Tsarnaev will not be read his Miranda rights, citing the “public danger” exception in the 5th Amendment. But the language in the amendment doesn’t remotely apply to this situation, nor is it even related to the protection against being a witness against oneself. It reads,
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

He is not being DEPRIVED of his rights, he is not being read them. There is a major difference. He can still exercise them.

The trade off is that anything he confesses to without being read his miranda rights may not be admissible in court, but that's probably a fair trade off for prosectutors given that they probably think they already have this case lock stock and barrel.


would only have applied if Tsarnaev had been observed with the bomb in his hands just before committing the crime.

There is photographic evidence of him placing the bomb backpack behind the child that eventually ended up killed.
 
and if he is part of a larger terror cell then there very might well be a clear and present danger to the public.
 
The twerp may be American, Billy, but he's still a POS (I was going to deny his humanity, and then remembered how shitty humanity really is). Lucky for him, it's only the America part which counts.
 
there weren't tanks for oswald because he didn't have fucking bombs and grenades. Guns might be dangerous but they are still relatively localized. They didn't know if this bomber had a suicide vest, he was throwing molotov cocktails, clearly you might need some armored vehicles for that type of stuff.

No. If that's the case than the cops didn't search him when they took him in alive.
 
they sent a robotic arm to pull the tarp of the boat back, they also made him lift his shirt to make sure he wasn't wearing explosives.
 
Exactly, that is the only part that counts.

I think it's interesting that many people go strict "letter of the law" and interpret the bill of rights as only pertaining to american citizens, and as such are quite willing to 8th amendment foreigners.

Not sure at the level of hypocrisy that takes but it must be substantial.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal" But some are more equal than others.
 
Rights was written for Dzhokar Tsarnaev Read more: http://communities.wa

I think it's interesting that many people go strict "letter of the law" and interpret the bill of rights as only pertaining to american citizens, and as such are quite willing to 8th amendment foreigners.

Not sure at the level of hypocrisy that takes but it must be substantial.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal" But some are more equal than others.

Sounds like class warfare to me.
 
I think it's interesting that many people go strict "letter of the law" and interpret the bill of rights as only pertaining to american citizens, and as such are quite willing to 8th amendment foreigners.

Not sure at the level of hypocrisy that takes but it must be substantial.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal" But some are more equal than others.

Yeah, I'm not one of them.
 
Sounds like class warfare to me.
Eh, I'd call it cultural warfare or tribal. In the words of george carlin, "Graveyards are full of brainwashed dead soldiers who thought god was on their side." As soon as you stop looking at the world in a them v us mentality, it's much easier to see the hypocrites and deceivers for what they are.
 
I will concede that I fully understand and appreciate these basic American facts. Especially as a citizen, this douchefuck has the full rights of due process and fair trial accorded to him. Notice that he was removed from the scene of his capture in an armored truck?

That said, I hope he suffers horribly, and has his rights trampled on by zealots who lack conviction and passion for our constitution and traditions, because he is a douchefuck. That is, I am wishing I can have it both ways.

He was removed from the scene in an ambulance.

"An Associated Press reporter caught video of the Boston Marathon bombing suspect being taken away in an ambulance after he was captured on Friday.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was reportedly clinging to life after he was surrounded and apprehended in a Watertown back yard. He was found by police bleeding and too weak to resist arrest in the bottom of a boat, according to ABC News."

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