Bush’s Bloody Legacy in Iraq
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blackascoal
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I've never said it eclipses anything. It's the truth.
How are you going to talk about Bush's legacy without telling the truth?
Was George Bush a warmonger that destroyed Iraq, killed hundred of thousands of innocent people using false evidence, and destroyed the American economy in the process?
YES
Did George Bush walk into the White House door promising to forcefully and globally address the disease of AIDS against the will of his own party, create the PREFAR program, adequately fund it, and see it go on to save millions of lives globally .. specifically in Africa, and see it be hailed as the greatest humanitarian health effort in history .. and see him still doing it long after he has left office?
YES
Truth is never in conflict. It's simply the truth.
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How condescending and racist. Every time BAC strays off of the plantation, the left wing racists come out in force to rein him back in. Taichiliberal must think BAC is being one of them uppity negros.
What genocide, the genocide committed by terrorists against their own people, blowing themselves up in markets.
blackascoal
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You make good points my friend .. but we should start with the truth ..
Obama didn't get our troops out of Iraq. The Status of Forces Agreement did .. signed by George Bush .. not Obama. The deadline was set well before Obama became president.
Obama tried to keep US forces in Iraq after the SOFA deadline .. tried to twist the arms of the Iraqis to do so.
Obama’s Iraq Ambassador: I Wanted Troops to Stay in Iraq
The statement reaffirms what Obama has tried to downplay: the administration pushed to stay in Iraq
excerpt
President Obama’s former ambassador to Iraq, who served during the withdrawal of US forces, said on Thursday he was in favor of keeping troops in Iraq beyond 2011, reaffirming what the Obama campaign has doggedly tried to erase from history.
“My feeling was we needed, for political reasons, US troops in country carrying out the training mission [past 2011] … I thought it was important to have an American presence and a new Status of Forces Agreement,” former ambassador Jim Jeffrey told The Cable.
“The more troops you keep in Iraq, as far as I was concerned,” Jeffrey added, “the better, as long as the Iraqis went along with it.”
But they didn’t. After months of diplomatic pressure, the Obama administration failed to secure a Status of Forces Agreement that would have given the remaining US troops presence legal immunity.
President Obama has consistently claimed in this campaign that he “ended the war in Iraq.” But this couldn’t be further from the truth: his administration tried desperately to keep thousands of US troops there, perhaps indefinitely. Only when this effort failed, did Obama fall back on the Bush administration’s agreement to pull all troops out in 2011.
more
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/11/01/obamas-iraq-ambassador-i-wanted-troops-to-stay-in-iraq/
Other sources ..
Iraq Withdrawal: U.S. Abandoning Plans To Keep Troops In Country
10/15/11
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/15/iraq-withdrawal-us-troops_n_1012661.html
CNN Fact Check: Romney, Obama and Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/fact-check-iraq
Obama didn't send troops to Libya because Al Queda was his 'troops on the ground.'
Al Qaeda Takes Libya By Storm
http://www.policymic.com/articles/7091/al-qaeda-takes-libya-by-storm
Connections Between Al Qaeda And Libyan Rebels Run Deep
"Earlier this week, I went to the Benghazi courthouse and confirmed the rumors: an al Qaeda flag was clearly visible; its Arabic script declaring that “there is no God but Allah” and a full moon underneath. When I tried to take pictures, a Salafi-looking guard, wearing a green camouflage outfit, rushed towards me and demanded to know what I was doing. My response was straightforward: I was taking a picture of the flag. He gave me an intimidating look and hissed, "Whomever speaks ill of this flag, we will cut off his tongue. I recommend that you don't publish these. You will bring trouble to yourself."
According to Elhelwa, Abdelhakim Belhaj, a well-known al Qaeda fighter and founder of the notorious Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), is now leading the rebel “military counsel” in Tripoli. Belhaj recently ordered fighters to take control of the Tripoli airport, and several days later, he gave a speech saying he had the blessings of Libya’s National Transitional Counsel (NTC), who appointed him to lead Tripoli’s military command.
Now, a special military group inside the NTC is calling on Salafi fighters with military backgrounds to join a special group fighting in the rebellion. Moustafa Abdeljalil, the head of the NTC, recently declared Libya an “Islamic state, and sharia law is the source of all our laws."
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/connections-between-al-qaeda-and-libyan-rebels-run-deep/
Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
Yes, THAT Al Queda of 9/11 fame. THAT is who Obama and NATO supported in the destruction of Libya for its resources .. based on the same kind of false evidence that Bush used in Iraq.
I can prove Obama's lies on Libya in under 30 seconds of this video ..
The largest mass demonstration in global history .. a third of the entire population of Libya in protest AGAINST Obama and NATO bombing and FOR Gaddafi.
Afghanistan .. what is he waiting on? How many more people have to die for nothing?
My daughter is there.
Syria? Here comes the lie of WMD all over again.
Libya exposed the lies of NATO and the west. It was a blatant attack on a peaceful nation that threatened none other for its resources .. and because of Libya, the US and NATO have been stopped from repeating the same plan for destruction. The world is running away from the west and towards the SCO.
At some point in our history Americans will learn that they do not control the American government. It doesn't make any difference whose ass is in the chair, what party they belong to, or what color/gender/flavor they come in. Corporations and the MIC control this nation.
We never paid attention to the wisdom of Eisenhower.
... now it's too late.
blackascoal
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You don't remember "shock and awe"? The Bush administration was pretty damn proud of that exercise in genocide.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
It's simply PARTIAL TRUTH coupled with a lot of hype, as I previously demonstrated with a link equal to yours.
To believe what YOU state, one has to IGNORE other valid information.
I choose not to do so. For you see, one first has to divorce one's self from the religious dogma surrounding AIDS to begin with. Here's a primer for you:
http://www.garynullblog.com/home/aids-in-africa.html
really ?....there was a lot of Iraqi citizens sitting in Saddams palaces ?....what bullshit....
In the 3 weeks it took to bring down Saddam there was minimal lose of life on both sides....
The killing caused by insurgents, terrorists, suicide bombers, and religious infighting among the Iraqis themselves (not by US troops) was a different story....
to claim US troops were killing Iraqis by the thousands and referring to it as genocide is ludicrous and a lie....
blackascoal
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Not interested in your dogma .. and you haven't proved a single thing other than your 'truth' is selective..
At the end of the day, you can ignore whatever you wish, believe whatever you wish .. makes no difference to history.
US Global Health Policy
Kaiser Daily Global Health Policy Report
Having Launched PEPFAR, George W. Bush Is 'Greatest Humanitarian' To Serve U.S. Presidency
Friday, February 15, 2013
In a post in Foreign Policy's "Democracy Lab" blog, Christian Caryl, a senior fellow at the Legatum Institute and the blog's editor, asks, "Which United States president will go down in history as the greatest humanitarian to have served in the office?" He writes, "I'd suggest that there's one president whose contribution dwarfs all the others" -- George W. Bush. "[O]nly a few Americans have ever heard of PEPFAR, the U.S. President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, which President Bush announced in his State of the Union address in 2003," he continues, noting since PEPFAR's creation, the U.S. government has invested more than $44 billion through its bilateral programs and the multilateral Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria.
"It's impossible to tell exactly how many lives the program has saved, though Secretary of State John Kerry recently claimed that five million people are alive today because of it. That's probably as good an estimate as any," Caryl writes, adding, "So it's safe to say this one program has been a titanic force for good over the past decade." He continues, "Bush paved the way for an era in which global health assistance has become a prominent new instrument of U.S. statecraft. After all, spending so much money hasn't just boosted America's image among Africans; rolling back the widespread scourge of AIDS has protected social institutions in these countries from degradation and collapse, thus contributing to security and effective governance"
http://globalhealth.kff.org/Daily-Reports/2013/February/15/GH-021513-Opinion-Bush-PEPFAR.aspx
You can believe whatever you want.
blackascoal
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That doesn't make it inevitable. Truman made the call.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
And right there you lose all credibility with me on this subject....because putting on blinders and then claiming that the information you refuse to look at is worthless is the mindset equal to that of our resident teabaggers and neocons.
See, I read your information....that is why I can easily see the flaws. You neither have the honesty or the courage to debate mind.....so much more to pity you. Carry on.
blackascoal
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blackascoal
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Not sure why you're still arguing this. :0)
I don't care what you believe. There is a gigantic plethora of information that validates a truth you can't digest.
Let's see .. who did I believe .. the Kaiser Foundation .. the Global AIDS Health Organization .. John Kerry .. or you?
Such a hard choice. :0)
It was 1941. Although I still get a kick out of y'all getting your hidtory from movies.
So you agree with me. Good.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Let's see....I offered information from valid, reputable sources that contradicted and poked large holes in the generalized accolades given to the Shrub regarding AIDS treatment on the continent of Africa. The chronology of the posts shows this.
YOU IGNORED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, and then REFUSED to read/discuss the rest, stating that you were "not interested in dogma".
That statement is from a closed mind that is proud of it's ignorance.
Like it or not, the Shrubs actions in Africa are like the road to hell....paved with good intentions, but not actually delivering. There are a plethora of valid, peer reviewed doctors researchers, organizations, medical scientist that you don't dare acknowledge. A pity.
See, I like discuss ALL THE FACTS...NOT "beliefs". It is YOU who are displaying willful ignorance here by turning a blind eye to anything that disturbs your personal beliefs. But ask yourself this......why has the language changed in the last 30 years from HIV=AIDS to "HIV related illnesses"?
FACTS, my friend, of which I did not create. Read Dr. Peter Deussberg's book, "Inventing the AIDS Virus", THEN you we can talk on an even playing field. Until then, I'll leave you to the last predictable/repetitive retort on this subject.
Of course there were. Bush told us!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2003/02/10/bush-saddam-will-use-human-shields/
Of course there were. Bush told us!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2003/02/10/bush-saddam-will-use-human-shields/