Bush’s Bloody Legacy in Iraq

[blackascoal]

Let's see....I offered information from valid, reputable sources that contradicted and poked large holes in the generalized accolades given to the Shrub regarding AIDS treatment on the continent of Africa. The chronology of the posts shows this.

YOU IGNORED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, and then REFUSED to read/discuss the rest, stating that you were "not interested in dogma".

That statement is from a closed mind that is proud of it's ignorance.

Like it or not, the Shrubs actions in Africa are like the road to hell....paved with good intentions, but not actually delivering. There are a plethora of valid, peer reviewed doctors researchers, organizations, medical scientist that you don't dare acknowledge. A pity.

See, I like discuss ALL THE FACTS...NOT "beliefs". It is YOU who are displaying willful ignorance here by turning a blind eye to anything that disturbs your personal beliefs. But ask yourself this......why has the language changed in the last 30 years from HIV=AIDS to "HIV related illnesses"?

FACTS, my friend, of which I did not create. Read Dr. Peter Deussberg's book, "Inventing the AIDS Virus", THEN you we can talk on an even playing field. Until then, I'll leave you to the last predictable/repetitive retort on this subject.

With all due respect .. your argument is just straight ignorant. Pure partisan bullshit.

PEPFAR IS George Bush. It's his baby.

Challenge the accomplishments of PEPFAR.

I'll go first ..

PEPFAR’s glowing report card, 10 years later

IN THE HISTORY of global public health, there has been nothing quite like it. Since 2003, Congress has appropriated more than $38 billion for the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, known as PEPFAR — the largest global health initiative ever undertaken focused on a single disease. Congress reauthorized the program for five years in 2008 and asked for a report card. Now, after four years of work, some 400 interviews and visits to 13 nations, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences has provided a 678-page examination of this incredibly ambitious program.

The verdict: PEPFAR has been “globally transformative,” a “lifeline” and credited around the world for “restoring hope” in the long, difficult struggle against HIV/AIDS, which has taken nearly 30 million lives over three decades. Furthermore, the program “has saved and improved the lives of millions.” It set big goals “and has met or surpassed many of them.” One small statistic speaks volumes: As of September, the U.S. government has supported antiretroviral treatment for more than 5 million men, women and children. This is a vast increase from a decade earlier.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...44_1_new-hiv-infections-pepfar-hiv-prevention

Congress Should Uphold Bipartisan Legacy on HIV/AIDS and Global Health

Even as President George W. Bush used the 2003 State of the Union to outline his case for war in Iraq — an issue that thoroughly divided Democrats and Republicans — he also, in true bipartisan fashion, declared war on HIV/AIDS. Indeed, fighting HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis (TB), malaria, and other preventable, treatable killers is an issue that can, has, and always should unite our elected leaders.

As we approach this World AIDS Day on December 1, our country is politically divided. Economic crisis, disagreement on policies, electoral politics, and historic distrust have pitted the two major parties against one another. A survey of the post-election commentary shows each party paying lip service to bipartisanship, but few concrete proposals for cooperation have yet emerged. Recommitting the United States to a leadership role in global health is an issue that is ripe for such cooperation across the aisle.

This is not a hypothetical proposition. Democrats and Republicans have a stunningly successful history of working together to fight AIDS, TB, and malaria. The President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief – or PEPFAR – that President Bush announced in 2003 to bipartisan applause is a case in point. Since it was launched in 2004, PEPFAR has spent $19 billion to help distribute life-saving antiretroviral treatments to about 2.5 million people infected with HIV.

These achievements would not have been possible without genuine bipartisan cooperation and leadership in Congress.

more
http://www.results.org/newsroom/con...artisan_legacy_on_hiv_aids_and_global_health/

I don't expect you to care about Africans .. but I do. PEPFAR's successes in saving lives is unquestioned.

From my perspective your argument is seriously lacking in compassion and consciousness.

 

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FDR planned it .. Truman pulled the trigger.

A true reading of the history.

That doesn't mean Truman was 'following orders'. Truman was the President, he had ample time to make the call based on what he thought was best. He did... for right or wrong.

There were plans in place to invade Iraq long before Bush Jr took office, does this negate the fact that it was Bush that made the call to go in?

 

[blackascoal]

That doesn't mean Truman was 'following orders'. Truman was the President, he had ample time to make the call based on what he thought was best. He did... for right or wrong.

There were plans in place to invade Iraq long before Bush Jr took office, does this negate the fact that it was Bush that made the call to go in?

Where is the confusion?

FDR developed the bomb and planned the attack.

Truman pulled the trigger.

Where's the confusion?

Had Bill Clinton planned and developed the attack on Iraq .. but Bush pulled the trigger .. are you of the opinion that Clinton would bear no responsibility?

 

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Do you know nothing of history?

FDR PLANNED IT.

The Manhattan Project was set up by FDR specifically to address Nazi Germany's own nuclear programme. It was Truman that decided to use it on Japan.

 

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I still don't get all of the talk about Africa on a thread about Bush's IRAQ legacy. I also don't get the comparisons to FDR & Truman.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Let's see....I offered information from valid, reputable sources that contradicted and poked large holes in the generalized accolades given to the Shrub regarding AIDS treatment on the continent of Africa. The chronology of the posts shows this.

YOU IGNORED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, and then REFUSED to read/discuss the rest, stating that you were "not interested in dogma".

That statement is from a closed mind that is proud of it's ignorance.

Like it or not, the Shrubs actions in Africa are like the road to hell....paved with good intentions, but not actually delivering. There are a plethora of valid, peer reviewed doctors researchers, organizations, medical scientist that you don't dare acknowledge. A pity.

See, I like discuss ALL THE FACTS...NOT "beliefs". It is YOU who are displaying willful ignorance here by turning a blind eye to anything that disturbs your personal beliefs. But ask yourself this......why has the language changed in the last 30 years from HIV=AIDS to "HIV related illnesses"?

FACTS, my friend, of which I did not create. Read Dr. Peter Deussberg's book, "Inventing the AIDS Virus", THEN you we can talk on an even playing field. Until then, I'll leave you to the last predictable/repetitive retort on this subject.

All we now is Poet back to tell us that AIDs was invented in a laboratory specifically to attack gays.

 

[blackascoal]

The Manhattan Project was set up by FDR specifically to address Nazi Germany's own nuclear programme. It was Truman that decided to use it on Japan.

Truman didn't even know the Manhattan Project even existed until a month after FDR's death.

 

[Don Quixote]

George Bush also had the best African policies of ANY American president .. including the so-called black one, Bill Clinton .. and the real black one, Obama.

This will be added to Barack Obama's legacy ..

In attacking and destroying Libya, OBAMA unleashed monsters upon its black African population.

Monsters like these ..

The brigade for boiling and burning blacks
http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/khad...9/the-brigade-for-boiling-and-burning-blacks/

Libyan rebel ethnic cleansing and lynching of black people
http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/07/libya-ethnic-cleansing/

Raped, beaten, and beheaded. The 'Brigade to Purge Libya of Black Skin' .. Obama's posse.

libya does not have an effective government yet.

what obama did was to fire cruise missiles at strategic location in libya to get rid of gadhafi

britain and france sent in jets to bomb targets in libya, the u s only sent in cruise missiles and stopped that after the first few days

are you saying that black africans did better under gaddafi?

now lets look at what bushco did, he started a war with afghanistan and later lied his way into a war with iraq

obama stopped the war in iraq and has set an exit date for the war with afghanistan

are you saying that bushco had a successful sub saharan policy? or that he meant well

how many people did bushco's wars kill, maim and injure?

what did gaddafi do to the sub saharan africans in libya?

did obama support any of the groups that you mentioned as torturing and killing blacks in libya?

did bushco support the torture of u s enemies?

does obama support the torture of u s enemies?

 

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libya does not have an effective government yet.

what obama did was to fire cruise missiles at strategic location in libya to get rid of gadhafi

britain and france sent in jets to bomb targets in libya, the u s only sent in cruise missiles and stopped that after the first few days

are you saying that black africans did better under gaddafi?

now lets look at what bushco did, he started a war with afghanistan and later lied his way into a war with iraq

obama stopped the war in iraq and has set an exit date for the war with afghanistan

are you saying that bushco had a successful sub saharan policy? or that he meant well

how many people did bushco's wars kill, maim and injure?

what did gaddafi do to the sub saharan africans in libya?

did obama support any of the groups that you mentioned as torturing and killing blacks in libya?

did bushco support the torture of u s enemies?

does obama support the torture of u s enemies?

BAC has not only tried to create equivalency between Bush & Obama's foreign policy, but has implied that Obama's is much worse.

I don't know how anyone who lived through the Iraq War years can make that kind of claim.

 

[NOVA]

libya does not have an effective government yet.
Effectively controlled by militant Muslims and terrorist sympathizers

what obama did was to fire cruise missiles at strategic location in libya to get rid of gadhafi
With no advice of consent from Congress

britain and france sent in jets to bomb targets in libya, the u s only sent in cruise missiles and stopped that after the first few days
Irrelevant-victims are just as dead
are you saying that black africans did better under gaddafi?

now lets look at what bushco did, he started a war with afghanistan and later lied his way into a war with iraq
LIE

obama stopped the war in iraq and has set an exit date for the war with afghanistan
LIE

are you saying that bushco had a successful sub saharan policy? or that he meant well
Pretty much

how many people did bushco's wars kill, maim and injure?
Less than Johnson in Viet Nam and now Obamas record US kia's in Afghanistan

what did gaddafi do to the sub saharan africans in libya?

did obama support any of the groups that you mentioned as torturing and killing blacks in libya?

did bushco support the torture of u s enemies?

does obama support the torture of u s enemies?
Obama only takes credit for the fruits of the intelligence collected by selective water-boarding of terrorists

War with Saddam was well underway a dacade before GW was elected-fact

2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991--Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) was a war waged by a Coalition force led by the United States against Iraq
January 19, 1993
US President George H. W. Bush, on his final day in office, orders a Tomahawk cruise missiles attack of the Zaafaraniya Nuclear Fabrication and Industrial Complex in the Baghdad suburbs, linking the factory to nuclear weapons manufacturing capability.
June 27, 1993
US President Bill Clinton orders a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters in the Al-Mansur district, Baghdad
November 13–14, 1998
US President Clinton orders airstrikes on Iraq in preparation of Operation Desert Thunder. Clinton then calls it off at the last minute
December 13, 1998
US President Clinton secretly approves an attack on Iraq.
December 16–19, 1998
Washington and London hit 100 Iraqi targets in four days of bombing as part of Operation Desert Fox.

GW Bush negotiated the removal of troops from Iraq.....Obama took the credit for it
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

 

[NOVA]

BAC has not only tried to create equivalency between Bush & Obama's foreign policy, but has implied that Obama's is much worse.

I don't know how anyone who lived through the Iraq War years can make that kind of claim.

Obama continues the foreign policy of Bush for the most part....and domestic policy in general with few exceptions and only miner monifications

 

[Phantasmal]

War with Saddam was well underway a dacade before GW was elected-fact

2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991--Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) was a war waged by a Coalition force led by the United States against Iraq
January 19, 1993
US President George H. W. Bush, on his final day in office, orders a Tomahawk cruise missiles attack of the Zaafaraniya Nuclear Fabrication and Industrial Complex in the Baghdad suburbs, linking the factory to nuclear weapons manufacturing capability.
June 27, 1993
US President Bill Clinton orders a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters in the Al-Mansur district, Baghdad
November 13–14, 1998
US President Clinton orders airstrikes on Iraq in preparation of Operation Desert Thunder. Clinton then calls it off at the last minute
December 13, 1998
US President Clinton secretly approves an attack on Iraq.
December 16–19, 1998
Washington and London hit 100 Iraqi targets in four days of bombing as part of Operation Desert Fox.

GW Bush negotiated the removal of troops from Iraq.....Obama took the credit for it
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

Okay Vanilla, your man crush on GWB has been noted.

 

[NOVA]

Okay Vanilla, your man crush on GWB has been noted.

You won't and can't contest the facts....that also has been noted.

 

[Phantasmal]

You won't and can't contest the facts....that also has been noted.

I have be desire to, you are on GWB nuts big time, nothing then or now will change your mind! Keeping swinging! You see nothing wrong with his war in Iraq. I think he should be charged with war crimes.

 

[NOVA]

I have be desire to, you are on GWB nuts big time, nothing then or now will change your mind! Keeping swinging! You see nothing wrong with his war in Iraq. I think he should be charged with war crimes.

I know what you THINK but I usually try to deal in FACTS.....undeniable historical events .....

 

[Phantasmal]

I know what you THINK but I usually try to deal in FACTS.....undeniable historical events .....

Yes, this is where your delusion comes into play.

 

[NOVA]

Yes, this is where your delusion comes into play.

Then refute them silly girl.

 

[Phantasmal]

Then refute them silly girl.

No thanks

 

[blackascoal]

libya does not have an effective government yet.

That's expected when the so-called rebels are themselves terrorists. It's going to get much worse.

what obama did was to fire cruise missiles at strategic location in libya to get rid of gadhafi

britain and france sent in jets to bomb targets in libya, the u s only sent in cruise missiles and stopped that after the first few days

Obama and NATO did a hell of a lot more than that.

One Hell of a Humanitarian Mission
30,000 Bombs Over Libya
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/02/30000-bombs-over-libya/

Perhaps you can explain how to 'humanitarianly' drop 30,000 bombs on densely-packed cities.

are you saying that black africans did better under gaddafi?

Is that a trick question? Seriously .. are you unaware of the massacre of blacks by the Al Queda rebels?

Libya war: #Feb17 Anti-Gadaffi rebels are the Libyan wing of the Ku Klux Klan

Libyan rebels force black Libyans to lick urine soaked rag

Libya: Blacks treated like Apes in the Zoo by rebels

Those are the 'tame' ones. Would you like to see a man getting his head sawed off while still alive?

now lets look at what bushco did, he started a war with afghanistan and later lied his way into a war with iraq

Agreed

obama stopped the war in iraq and has set an exit date for the war with afghanistan

WRONG. OBAMA DID NOT END THE WAR IN IRAQ. The Status of Forces Agreement did .. and the signature on it is George W. Bush. Obama tried to keep US forces in Iraq beyond the SOFA deadline. I can prove that if you like.

are you saying that bushco had a successful sub saharan policy? or that he meant well

I'm saying that Bush walked in the White House door planning to forcefully attack AIDS and other global diseases and properly fund it .. with particular interest on Africa .. against the wishes of his own party .. and he did it. I've demonstrated that the program he created program has been credited with saving millions of lives. It's the largest global health undertaking in history.

MILLIONS of lives.

Irrespective of what anyone thinks of his motives ,.. irrespective of whatever horrors in Iraq lay at his feet .. what I just said about Bush and PEPFAR is the absolute truth.

how many people did bushco's wars kill, maim and injure?

Countless

what did gaddafi do to the sub saharan africans in libya?

Can I start with the Great Man-Made River?

“Before the implementation of the GMMR, the Libyan people were desperate for a few drops of water throughout the year,” says a government brochure describing the project. “Now, with a daily flow of over six million cubic meters, there is enough water to supply each citizen in the Great Jamahiriya with over 1,000 liters per day. In addition, 135,000 hectares of land will be freed from drought.”

The GMMR ranks easily as the largest and most expensive irrigation project in world history. Conceived in the late 1960s, its mission is simple: to pump water from Libya’s vast, underground Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System in the south to populated coastal areas in the north where most of the country’s six million inhabitants live and work.
http://www.greenprophet.com/2010/06/libya-man-made-river/

Tell you what .. watch this video .. come back and ask me that question again .. after you ask yourself do you get this from your government.

did obama support any of the groups that you mentioned as torturing and killing blacks in libya?

He's not going to openly claim he supported anyone. That's for critical thinkers to determine.

Here's a better question for you .. Knowing that these racist atrocities were happening in Libya by the groups I mentioned .. did Obama say or do ANYTHING to stop them?

did bushco support the torture of u s enemies?

Yes he did.

does obama support the torture of u s enemies?

Who knows .. he just won't tell you about it.

Come clean on rendition, detention and torture

Tell President Obama: Work with Congress to Release the Senate Torture Report!
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/201...ongress-to-release-the-senate-torture-report/

- In December, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence approved a comprehensive report about the Central Intelligence Agency’s detention and interrogation efforts. The committee’s chairman, Senator Dianne Feinstein, said that the report would “settle the debate once and for all over whether our nation should ever employ coercive interrogation techniques such as those detailed in the report.” Release this report with as few redactions as possible.

- Soon after taking office in 2009, the Obama Administration created an interagency task force to review interrogation and transfer policies and issued a report including recommendations on the practice of transferring individuals to other countries. Release this report with as few redactions as possible.

- The administration also continues to withhold documents relating to investigations by the Central Intelligence Agency’s Office of Inspector General into extraordinary rendition and secret detention. Release their findings with as few redactions as possible.
Until we know the truth, it is impossible to consider our war effort complete. Holding our government officials accountable before the law and public opinion is fundamental to protecting the Constitution our sons and daughters risked their lives to defend and too many gave their lives in places Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...rendition-detention-and-torture#ixzz2S5C1A3qO

 

[blackascoal]

BAC has not only tried to create equivalency between Bush & Obama's foreign policy, but has implied that Obama's is much worse.

I don't know how anyone who lived through the Iraq War years can make that kind of claim.

I bet you talked badly about the Tea Party, didn't you? Claimed they were liars, huh?

Post where I claimed that Obama is much worse than Bush.

OR, did I say that Obama is conducting the Bush foreign policy on steroids?

I repeat .. the one one who has been consistent in this conversation between you and I .. is me. I attacked Bush with furious anger during HIS term in office on needless wars, his foreign policy, his attacks on civil liberties, and most importantly, the deaths of innocent people .. particularly women and children. I'd imagine that you did too.

Today, I attack Obama with furious anger on needless wars, the BUSH foreign policy, his attacks on civil liberties, and most importantly, the deaths of innocent people .. particularly women and children.

Do you? .. Because if you do, I sure in the hell don't see it.

That, my brother, is the GLARING hypocrisy of democrats. Blinding, absolutely mind-boggling hypocrisy.

Suddenly war is good

Patriot Act/NDAA .. good.

Attack and destroy a small nation based on false evidence .. it's all good.

Gitmo still open .. good.

Kill Americans without trial .. no problem.

Drone the fuck out of innocent people in Pakistan FAR beyond what Bush could ever get away with .. AND, commit acts of terror (double-tap drone strikes) in the process .. must be a good reason.

Democrats don't like the mirror. They'd much rather spend all day denigrating republicans. Politics are much more important than principle to today's weak as shit version of a democrat.

That's the problem.