Bush’s Bloody Legacy in Iraq

[Don Quixote]

That's expected when the so-called rebels are themselves terrorists. It's going to get much worse.



Obama and NATO did a hell of a lot more than that.

One Hell of a Humanitarian Mission
30,000 Bombs Over Libya
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/02/30000-bombs-over-libya/

Perhaps you can explain how to 'humanitarianly' drop 30,000 bombs on densely-packed cities.



Is that a trick question? Seriously .. are you unaware of the massacre of blacks by the Al Queda rebels?

Libya war: #Feb17 Anti-Gadaffi rebels are the Libyan wing of the Ku Klux Klan

Libyan rebels force black Libyans to lick urine soaked rag

Libya: Blacks treated like Apes in the Zoo by rebels

Those are the 'tame' ones. Would you like to see a man getting his head sawed off while still alive?



Agreed



WRONG. OBAMA DID NOT END THE WAR IN IRAQ. The Status of Forces Agreement did .. and the signature on it is George W. Bush. Obama tried to keep US forces in Iraq beyond the SOFA deadline. I can prove that if you like.



I'm saying that Bush walked in the White House door planning to forcefully attack AIDS and other global diseases and properly fund it .. with particular interest on Africa .. against the wishes of his own party .. and he did it. I've demonstrated that the program he created program has been credited with saving millions of lives. It's the largest global health undertaking in history.

MILLIONS of lives.

Irrespective of what anyone thinks of his motives ,.. irrespective of whatever horrors in Iraq lay at his feet .. what I just said about Bush and PEPFAR is the absolute truth.



Countless



Can I start with the Great Man-Made River?

“Before the implementation of the GMMR, the Libyan people were desperate for a few drops of water throughout the year,” says a government brochure describing the project. “Now, with a daily flow of over six million cubic meters, there is enough water to supply each citizen in the Great Jamahiriya with over 1,000 liters per day. In addition, 135,000 hectares of land will be freed from drought.”

The GMMR ranks easily as the largest and most expensive irrigation project in world history. Conceived in the late 1960s, its mission is simple: to pump water from Libya’s vast, underground Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System in the south to populated coastal areas in the north where most of the country’s six million inhabitants live and work.
http://www.greenprophet.com/2010/06/libya-man-made-river/

Tell you what .. watch this video .. come back and ask me that question again .. after you ask yourself do you get this from your government.

He's not going to openly claim he supported anyone. That's for critical thinkers to determine.

Here's a better question for you .. Knowing that these racist atrocities were happening in Libya by the groups I mentioned .. did Obama say or do ANYTHING to stop them?



Yes he did.



Who knows .. he just won't tell you about it.

Come clean on rendition, detention and torture

Tell President Obama: Work with Congress to Release the Senate Torture Report!
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/201...ongress-to-release-the-senate-torture-report/

- In December, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence approved a comprehensive report about the Central Intelligence Agency’s detention and interrogation efforts. The committee’s chairman, Senator Dianne Feinstein, said that the report would “settle the debate once and for all over whether our nation should ever employ coercive interrogation techniques such as those detailed in the report.” Release this report with as few redactions as possible.

- Soon after taking office in 2009, the Obama Administration created an interagency task force to review interrogation and transfer policies and issued a report including recommendations on the practice of transferring individuals to other countries. Release this report with as few redactions as possible.

- The administration also continues to withhold documents relating to investigations by the Central Intelligence Agency’s Office of Inspector General into extraordinary rendition and secret detention. Release their findings with as few redactions as possible.
Until we know the truth, it is impossible to consider our war effort complete. Holding our government officials accountable before the law and public opinion is fundamental to protecting the Constitution our sons and daughters risked their lives to defend and too many gave their lives in places Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...rendition-detention-and-torture#ixzz2S5C1A3qO

i am curious how obama got dragged into a thread about gwb/bushco.

if you want to start a thread about obama and his short comings, please do so, but this thread is about bushco's shortcomings.

i have no doubt that obama has his shortcomings, but i doubt that they begin to match bushco's.

as for hiv/aids, diseases and ignorance in other parts of the world, i would much rather see them addressed by the u s in the u s and stop 'nation building' outside of the u s.

we should have stayed out of afghanistan, iraq and the arab nations involved in the 'arab spring' and spent the resources expended on those nations at home

 

[patriot66]

It was 1941. Although I still get a kick out of y'all getting your hidtory from movies.


So you agree with me. Good.

It was animal house dumbass at least admit when you are wrong.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Let's see....I offered information from valid, reputable sources that contradicted and poked large holes in the generalized accolades given to the Shrub regarding AIDS treatment on the continent of Africa. The chronology of the posts shows this.

YOU IGNORED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, and then REFUSED to read/discuss the rest, stating that you were "not interested in dogma".

That statement is from a closed mind that is proud of it's ignorance.

Like it or not, the Shrubs actions in Africa are like the road to hell....paved with good intentions, but not actually delivering. There are a plethora of valid, peer reviewed doctors researchers, organizations, medical scientist that you don't dare acknowledge. A pity.

See, I like discuss ALL THE FACTS...NOT "beliefs". It is YOU who are displaying willful ignorance here by turning a blind eye to anything that disturbs your personal beliefs. But ask yourself this......why has the language changed in the last 30 years from HIV=AIDS to "HIV related illnesses"?

FACTS, my friend, of which I did not create. Read Dr. Peter Deussberg's book, "Inventing the AIDS Virus", THEN you we can talk on an even playing field. Until then, I'll leave you to the last predictable/repetitive retort on this subject.

With all due respect .. your argument is just straight ignorant. Pure partisan bullshit.

PEPFAR IS George Bush. It's his baby.

Challenge the accomplishments of PEPFAR.

I'll go first ..

PEPFAR’s glowing report card, 10 years later

IN THE HISTORY of global public health, there has been nothing quite like it. Since 2003, Congress has appropriated more than $38 billion for the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, known as PEPFAR — the largest global health initiative ever undertaken focused on a single disease. Congress reauthorized the program for five years in 2008 and asked for a report card. Now, after four years of work, some 400 interviews and visits to 13 nations, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences has provided a 678-page examination of this incredibly ambitious program.

The verdict: PEPFAR has been “globally transformative,” a “lifeline” and credited around the world for “restoring hope” in the long, difficult struggle against HIV/AIDS, which has taken nearly 30 million lives over three decades. Furthermore, the program “has saved and improved the lives of millions.” It set big goals “and has met or surpassed many of them.” One small statistic speaks volumes: As of September, the U.S. government has supported antiretroviral treatment for more than 5 million men, women and children. This is a vast increase from a decade earlier.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...44_1_new-hiv-infections-pepfar-hiv-prevention

Congress Should Uphold Bipartisan Legacy on HIV/AIDS and Global Health

Even as President George W. Bush used the 2003 State of the Union to outline his case for war in Iraq — an issue that thoroughly divided Democrats and Republicans — he also, in true bipartisan fashion, declared war on HIV/AIDS. Indeed, fighting HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis (TB), malaria, and other preventable, treatable killers is an issue that can, has, and always should unite our elected leaders.

As we approach this World AIDS Day on December 1, our country is politically divided. Economic crisis, disagreement on policies, electoral politics, and historic distrust have pitted the two major parties against one another. A survey of the post-election commentary shows each party paying lip service to bipartisanship, but few concrete proposals for cooperation have yet emerged. Recommitting the United States to a leadership role in global health is an issue that is ripe for such cooperation across the aisle.

This is not a hypothetical proposition. Democrats and Republicans have a stunningly successful history of working together to fight AIDS, TB, and malaria. The President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief – or PEPFAR – that President Bush announced in 2003 to bipartisan applause is a case in point. Since it was launched in 2004, PEPFAR has spent $19 billion to help distribute life-saving antiretroviral treatments to about 2.5 million people infected with HIV.

These achievements would not have been possible without genuine bipartisan cooperation and leadership in Congress.

more
http://www.results.org/newsroom/con...artisan_legacy_on_hiv_aids_and_global_health/

I don't expect you to care about Africans .. but I do. PEPFAR's successes in saving lives is unquestioned.

From my perspective your argument is seriously lacking in compassion and consciousness.

Spare me the typical neocon/teabagger hype, personal attacks and ad nauseum parroting PR. Post #25 and #48 on this thread presented evidence that YOU admittedly REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE...I suspect willful ignorance. So your "argument" has no more standing than the typical dreck derived from right wing radio.

Here, for your education...if you dare:



As Media Matters for America has documented, according to many of the government officials responsible for managing PEPFAR abroad, as well as the Institute of Medicine, the Government Accountability Office, and the Center for Public Integrity (CPI), the abstinence-until-marriage education requirement hindered PEPFAR's effectiveness in preventing the spread of AIDS. Congress removed the requirement when it reauthorized PEPFAR in 2008.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/01/15/ignoring-contrary-evidence-cnns-king-said-of-bu/146858

 

[Taichiliberal]

Can Obama shut down Gitmo with a GOP deadlock on Congress?

 

[blackascoal]

Spare me the typical neocon/teabagger hype, personal attacks and ad nauseum parroting PR. Post #25 and #48 on this thread presented evidence that YOU admittedly REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE...I suspect willful ignorance. So your "argument" has no more standing than the typical dreck derived from right wing radio.

Here, for your education...if you dare:



As Media Matters for America has documented, according to many of the government officials responsible for managing PEPFAR abroad, as well as the Institute of Medicine, the Government Accountability Office, and the Center for Public Integrity (CPI), the abstinence-until-marriage education requirement hindered PEPFAR's effectiveness in preventing the spread of AIDS. Congress removed the requirement when it reauthorized PEPFAR in 2008.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/01/15/ignoring-contrary-evidence-cnns-king-said-of-bu/146858

Excuse me Mr. Dumbfuck .. but I've already said that removing that restriction was a good thing .. but that still does not denigrate the program in any way.

MILLIONS OF LIVES .. that you don't give a fuck about.

 

[NOVA]

I bet you talked badly about the Tea Party, didn't you? Claimed they were liars, huh?

Post where I claimed that Obama is much worse than Bush.

OR, did I say that Obama is conducting the Bush foreign policy on steroids?

I repeat .. the one one who has been consistent in this conversation between you and I .. is me. I attacked Bush with furious anger during HIS term in office on needless wars, his foreign policy, his attacks on civil liberties, and most importantly, the deaths of innocent people .. particularly women and children. I'd imagine that you did too.

Today, I attack Obama with furious anger on needless wars, the BUSH foreign policy, his attacks on civil liberties, and most importantly, the deaths of innocent people .. particularly women and children.

Do you? .. Because if you do, I sure in the hell don't see it.

That, my brother, is the GLARING hypocrisy of democrats. Blinding, absolutely mind-boggling hypocrisy.

Suddenly war is good

Patriot Act/NDAA .. good.

Attack and destroy a small nation based on false evidence .. it's all good.

Gitmo still open .. good.

Kill Americans without trial .. no problem.

Drone the fuck out of innocent people in Pakistan FAR beyond what Bush could ever get away with .. AND, commit acts of terror (double-tap drone strikes) in the process .. must be a good reason.

Democrats don't like the mirror. They'd much rather spend all day denigrating republicans. Politics are much more important than principle to today's weak as shit version of a democrat.

That's the problem.

Your reply to thingy1 was magic....it made the pinhead just magically disappear.....puffffffff....hes gone....lmao

 

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Your reply to thingy1 was magic....it made the pinhead just magically disappear.....puffffffff....hes gone....lmao

I said my peace, on this & the other thread BAC created today.

This is a thread about Bush's Iraq legacy - for which I'm not really required to either praise that flunky's rare good policy, or condemn the current President's bad policy.

And besides - BAC already called me a racist for not doing the former. I'm sure you're down w/ that.

 

[NOVA]

I said my peace, on this & the other thread BAC created today.

This is a thread about Bush's Iraq legacy - for which I'm not really required to either praise that flunky's rare good policy, or condemn the current President's bad policy.

And besides - BAC already called me a racist for not doing the former. I'm sure you're down w/ that.

Well, that fact that you can't bring yourself to give Bush any credit for a program “has saved and improved the lives of millions.” It set big goals “and has met or surpassed many of them.” must make BAC asked himself why.....and race is as good a guess as any other....
He thinks you don't give a shit because its only Africans (blacks) that are the major beneficiaries of the Bush program,... the reason for your ho hum attitude....

I'll stick up for you. Rather than racism, its more likely your seriously impaired by your chronic case of BDS. Derangement being the operative word.....
Historical FACTS usually cure or at least lessen the effects of BDS, but it doesn't seem to help in your case....

 

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Well, that fact that you can't bring yourself to give Bush any credit for a program “has saved and improved the lives of millions.” It set big goals “and has met or surpassed many of them.” must make BAC asked himself why.....and race is as good a guess as any other....
He thinks you don't give a shit because its only Africans (blacks) that are the major beneficiaries of the Bush program,... the reason for your ho hum attitude....

I'll stick up for you. Rather than racism, its more likely your seriously impaired by your chronic case of BDS. Derangement being the operative word.....
Historical FACTS usually cure or at least lessen the effects of BDS, but it doesn't seem to help in your case....

Since you're the biggest hack on the board, you can spare me the lecture.

Once again, we're on a thread about Bush's IRAQ legacy. I don't have to prove my cred to anyone. I didn't even vote for Obama - but I still fail to see why he should be discussed on a thread about Bush, or why Bush's African policy should be discussed on a thread about Iraq.

As for weighing the good & bad accomplishments of leaders - some leaders have bad that is so bad, that it simply negates the good. To visit a repeated but apt comparison, it's silly to praise Hitler for his fine economic policies.

Bush is defined by Iraq. Sometimes, you seem very uncomfortable about that, but others, you proclaim Iraq as some great "victory." You really need to get your story straight on that, btw.

 

[NOVA]

Since you're the biggest hack on the board, you can spare me the lecture.

Once again, we're on a thread about Bush's IRAQ legacy. I don't have to prove my cred to anyone. I didn't even vote for Obama - but I still fail to see why he should be discussed on a thread about Bush, or why Bush's African policy should be discussed on a thread about Iraq.

As for weighing the good & bad accomplishments of leaders - some leaders have bad that is so bad, that it simply negates the good. To visit a repeated but apt comparison, it's silly to praise Hitler for his fine economic policies.

Bush is defined by Iraq. Sometimes, you seem very uncomfortable about that, but others, you proclaim Iraq as some great "victory." You really need to get your story straight on that, btw.

90% of threads evolve, thingy.....is that news to you ?....kinda like your hijacking of some by posting off topic bullshit and personal attacks...

I'm certainly not uncomfortable by our victory in Iraq....sure beats what happened in Vietnam and the useless loss of lives there.

 

[blackascoal]

Since you're the biggest hack on the board, you can spare me the lecture.

Once again, we're on a thread about Bush's IRAQ legacy. I don't have to prove my cred to anyone. I didn't even vote for Obama - but I still fail to see why he should be discussed on a thread about Bush, or why Bush's African policy should be discussed on a thread about Iraq.

As for weighing the good & bad accomplishments of leaders - some leader's have bad that is so bad, that is simply negates the good. To visit a repeated but apt comparison, it's silly to praise Hitler for his fine economic policies.

Bush is defined by Iraq. Sometimes, you seem very uncomfortable about that, but others, you proclaim Iraq as some great "victory." You really need to get your story straight on that, btw.

You are a classic demonstration of why I don't give a fuck about what is 'democrat.'

I don't proclaim Iraq to be a great victory or anything less than the disaster it was. Most likely, I was far more involved in the opposition against it then you were because of the position I held. I attended many of the hearings in Congress. Some on this board knew me then because I was posting on boards with them. My opposition to the invasion of Iraq is unquestioned.

Hiding behind Iraq as you are is part of the democratic legacy of Iraq. It made fools of you all .. and as it has now been demonstrated .. it was ALL politics. Democrats don't give a fuck about human life anymore than republicans do. Most of the noise about Bush was ALL politics .. it was ALL bullshit. ALL the demonstrations and outrage about innocent life .. ALL bullshit.

Antiwar .. BULLSHIT

Anti Patriot Act .. BULLSHIT

Bush spends too much money on war .. BULLSHIT

The lesson of Iraq is that democrats don't believe any of that .. they just pretend they do for political purposes.

What was the biggest argument that democrats had about Bush .. the same argument that people like you demand can ONLY be argued in this thread .. THE BUSH FOREIGN POLICY. THAT is his best known and least liked legacy.

Yet today, OBAMA conducts the EXACT same foreign policy .. THE BUSH FOREIGN POLICY ON STEROIDS .. Bush was dumb but Obama is a intellectual genius? Then how in the fuck did Bush become Obama's mentor on foreign policy?

When Obama kills innocent babies .. you'd rather attack me then speak up for innocent babies.

A double-tap drone strike is an act of terrorism designed to kill first-responders .. but you'd rather attack me for posting it then demonstrate any modicum of principle or humanity against our own acts of terrorism. But you'd have lots to say if Bush was doing it.

One more very telling thing about the Bush legacy in Iraq .. after Obama leaves office with a shitload of money coming his way like Bill Clinton .. guess who the next great democratic messiah is?

Hillary 'Yes I voted for Iraq and fuck you very much' Clinton. :0)

You motherfuckers need to take a long slow ass walk past the mirror.

 

[Bonestorm]

I find it truly odd that someone who created a thread to defend Bush because he did some good in Africa doesn't understand that many Democrats, myself included, take a lesser of two evils approach to politics. It's really weird. We're all full of shit because Obama does evil things and we support the not-evil things that he does. My anti-war stance is BULLSHIT (caps and bold in the original) because I voted for Obama over McCain and Romney and will vote for Clinton over whoever the Republicans happen to nominate, not because I agree with Clinton about everything, but because I know today that I will agree with Clinton about more things that the Republican candidate.

I've gotten into this with you before, BAC, and I know you think your principled opposition is superior to accepting the lesser of two evils, but in the real world your principled opposition just gets you the greater evil.

 

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You are a classic demonstration of why I don't give a fuck about what is 'democrat.'

I don't proclaim Iraq to be a great victory or anything less than the disaster it was. Most likely, I was far more involved in the opposition against it then you were because of the position I held. I attended many of the hearings in Congress. Some on this board knew me then because I was posting on boards with them. My opposition to the invasion of Iraq is unquestioned.

Hiding behind Iraq as you are is part of the democratic legacy of Iraq. It made fools of you all .. and as it has now been demonstrated .. it was ALL politics. Democrats don't give a fuck about human life anymore than republicans do. Most of the noise about Bush was ALL politics .. it was ALL bullshit. ALL the demonstrations and outrage about innocent life .. ALL bullshit.

Antiwar .. BULLSHIT

Anti Patriot Act .. BULLSHIT

Bush spends too much money on war .. BULLSHIT

The lesson of Iraq is that democrats don't believe any of that .. they just pretend they do for political purposes.

What was the biggest argument that democrats had about Bush .. the same argument that people like you demand can ONLY be argued in this thread .. THE BUSH FOREIGN POLICY. THAT is his best known and least liked legacy.

Yet today, OBAMA conducts the EXACT same foreign policy .. THE BUSH FOREIGN POLICY ON STEROIDS .. Bush was dumb but Obama is a intellectual genius? Then how in the fuck did Bush become Obama's mentor on foreign policy?

When Obama kills innocent babies .. you'd rather attack me then speak up for innocent babies.

A double-tap drone strike is an act of terrorism designed to kill first-responders .. but you'd rather attack me for posting it then demonstrate any modicum of principle or humanity against our own acts of terrorism. But you'd have lots to say if Bush was doing it.

One more very telling thing about the Bush legacy in Iraq .. after Obama leaves office with a shitload of money coming his way like Bill Clinton .. guess who the next great democratic messiah is?

Hillary 'Yes I voted for Iraq and fuck you very much' Clinton. :0)

You motherfuckers need to take a long slow ass walk past the mirror.

I've been against every war in my lifetime.

How exactly am I "hiding behind Iraq?"

I'm weary of your righteous sermonizing. You come on every thread about Bush and demand condemnation of Obama as well, and then see fit to praise Bush where Obama warrants only scorn. I'm sorry you feel so betrayed by Obama that it skews your clarity on that. To me, they're all just politicians, and none can really be trusted.

And you're really batting 1,000 today on your generalizations about me as far as my "loyalty" to Democrats and lack of opposition to the same principles across party lines, as well as your certainty that I'm a racist for failing to praise Bush to your satisfaction.

 

[blackascoal]

I find it truly odd that someone who created a thread to defend Bush because he did some good in Africa doesn't understand that many Democrats, myself included, take a lesser of two evils approach to politics. It's really weird. We're all full of shit because Obama does evil things and we support the not-evil things that he does. My anti-war stance is BULLSHIT (caps and bold in the original) because I voted for Obama over McCain and Romney and will vote for Clinton over whoever the Republicans happen to nominate, not because I agree with Clinton about everything, but because I know today that I will agree with Clinton about more things that the Republican candidate.

I've gotten into this with you before, BAC, and I know you think your principled opposition is superior to accepting the lesser of two evils, but in the real world your principled opposition just gets you the greater evil.

That's BULLSHIT brother. That's the language of cowards. The mindset of people who trade politics for principle.

My point is not that you voted for Obama over McCain or Romney. I understand the concept of lesser evil .. I simply don't subscribe to it.

You vote for the lesser evil .. then what? Does that mean that you can't criticize Obama for killing innocent people as you criticized Bush? Is there some pledge of allegiance that says if you vote for someone you can not hold them accountable?

Does that mean that every criticism of the guy you voted for is racist .. has to come from a 'hater?' Nobody has the best interests of the country at heart but democrats?

What you're suggesting doesn't make sense on a lot of levels. The greater evil is coming .. and democrats opened the door for it.

All that noise about the 'republicans are dead.' Guess what? Democrats like you brother are why they are headed back into control. Even with changing demographics not on their side .. the weakness of democrats have thrown them a lifeline .. and once back in control .. what are you going to be posting about war, further renditions of the Patriot Act/NDAA, civil liberties, corporatism, entitlements and safety-nets, anti-americanism, the environment, marijuana and the war on drugs, or Gitmo?

There won't be a damn thing you can say that will make any sense at all .. because you didn't say shit to Obama about it.

It's the rejection of critical thought .. politics over principles.

Without principles your course is always doomed to fail .. as it should be.

 

[blackascoal]

I've been against every war in my lifetime.

How exactly am I "hiding behind Iraq?"

I'm weary of your righteous sermonizing. You come on every thread about Bush and demand condemnation of Obama as well, and then see fit to praise Bush where Obama warrants only scorn. I'm sorry you feel so betrayed by Obama that it skews your clarity on that. To me, they're all just politicians, and none can really be trusted.

And you're really batting 1,000 today on your generalizations about me as far as my "loyalty" to Democrats and lack of opposition to the same principles across party lines, as well as your certainty that I'm a racist for failing to praise Bush to your satisfaction.

If you're weary, I suggest you get over it.

You want to talk about the Bush legacy in Iraq .. that's exactly what I'm doing. You just don't like what I have to say .. again.

That's not my problem.

The lessons of Iraq is that the democratic opposition was all about politics, not humanity.

Obama destroyed Libya based on false information .. SEE: Viagra rape story .. where are the protests?

He didn't get approval from Congress either .. where is the outrage?

He's droning the planet .. another can of worms .. and the world is running away from us again.

I'm real sure that democrats aren't happy with my thoughts.

Not my problem.

Obama has done serious damage to the democratic brand .. and you don't see the problem.

I find that amazing.

By the way, I'm not demanding anything. I'm voicing my opinions based on evidence.

That's your problem with me.

 

[NOVA]

I've been against every war in my lifetime.

How exactly am I "hiding behind Iraq?"

I'm weary of your righteous sermonizing. You come on every thread about Bush and demand condemnation of Obama as well, and then see fit to praise Bush where Obama warrants only scorn. I'm sorry you feel so betrayed by Obama that it skews your clarity on that. To me, they're all just politicians, and none can really be trusted.

And you're really batting 1,000 today on your generalizations about me as far as my "loyalty" to Democrats and lack of opposition to the same principles across party lines, as well as your certainty that I'm a racist for failing to praise Bush to your satisfaction.

So, are we to assume that you're about 14 or 15 years old ?

 

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So, are we to assume that you're about 14 or 15 years old ?

That was good, bravs! It usually takes you a few hours to come up with zingers that effective.

I was actually against everything since Vietnam - and I don't apologize for that war or LBJ the way you do for Iraq & Bush.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

If you're weary, I suggest you get over it.

You want to talk about the Bush legacy in Iraq .. that's exactly what I'm doing. You just don't like what I have to say .. again.

That's not my problem.

The lessons of Iraq is that the democratic opposition was all about politics, not humanity.

Obama destroyed Libya based on false information .. SEE: Viagra rape story .. where are the protests?

He didn't get approval from Congress either .. where is the outrage?

He's droning the planet .. another can of worms .. and the world is running away from us again.

I'm real sure that democrats aren't happy with my thoughts.

Not my problem.

Obama has done serious damage to the democratic brand .. and you don't see the problem.

I find that amazing.

By the way, I'm not demanding anything. I'm voicing my opinions based on evidence.

That's your problem with me.

Actually, I have found that when people don't like what I have to say, they hide behind the claim that I have problems with their "honesty."

Your opposition to Iraq is fine, and I believe it. Which is why I still find myself wondering why you came on a thread about Bush's Iraq legacy with a fierce defense of his African policies.

 

[blackascoal]

Actually, I have found that when people don't like what I have to say, they hide behind the claim that I have problems with their "honesty."

Your opposition to Iraq is fine, and I believe it. Which is why I still find myself wondering why you came on a thread about Bush's Iraq legacy with a fierce defense of his African policies.

Because that's part of his legacy, because I'm black, because I am guided by truth .. not politics.

Now, I'm talking about the democratic legacy in Iraq.

Frankly, I'm saddened to see that democrats have fallen so far. What do they even stand for these days?

It sure the hell isn't antiwar.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Let's see....I offered information from valid, reputable sources that contradicted and poked large holes in the generalized accolades given to the Shrub regarding AIDS treatment on the continent of Africa. The chronology of the posts shows this.

YOU IGNORED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, and then REFUSED to read/discuss the rest, stating that you were "not interested in dogma".

That statement is from a closed mind that is proud of it's ignorance.

Like it or not, the Shrubs actions in Africa are like the road to hell....paved with good intentions, but not actually delivering. There are a plethora of valid, peer reviewed doctors researchers, organizations, medical scientist that you don't dare acknowledge. A pity.

See, I like discuss ALL THE FACTS...NOT "beliefs". It is YOU who are displaying willful ignorance here by turning a blind eye to anything that disturbs your personal beliefs. But ask yourself this......why has the language changed in the last 30 years from HIV=AIDS to "HIV related illnesses"?

FACTS, my friend, of which I did not create. Read Dr. Peter Deussberg's book, "Inventing the AIDS Virus", THEN you we can talk on an even playing field. Until then, I'll leave you to the last predictable/repetitive retort on this subject.

All we now is Poet back to tell us that AIDs was invented in a laboratory specifically to attack gays.

I haven't come across that.