The Firearms Statistics That Gun Control Advocates Don’t Want to See

Steelplate said:
What you don't get is that background checks aren't hurting you one bit, the bill proposed purposely put in an item that would make a National Registry illegal, and closed a huge method that people who legally aren't allowed 2nd Amendment rights use to get them despite their ineligibility.
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and we all know how well the ATF, FBI, and DHS are at obeying the written laws, don't we /sarcasm
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I have never said that they were. Assault weapons are meant to shoot government agents when they disregard the constitution.
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Tell that to this guy:

Chapel The Evergreen said:
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NOVA said:
The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting you idiot...how many times do you have to be reminded of that simple fact.....

And Obama blaming the US for guns in Mexico is a joke....it was his ATF and idiot A


ttorney General that are responsible for 10's of thousands
of guns getting to Mexico....simply closing the border except to appropriate entry points would put a stop to most of that .....something else
he won't do.



What you usually do is post a link you don't understand that proves me right and claim the opposite...
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Prove it troll.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
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They just don't understand that the more kinetic energy and shock value that the bullet is capable of, the cleaner and quicker the kill is.

A rifle bullet kills an animal by destroying tissue, disrupting the function of vital organs or the central nervous system, causing blood loss, and perhaps by shock to the animal's system. The latter can be almost instantly fatal, or almost completely lacking, depending on circumstances beyond the hunter's control. The more damage a bullet causes, the more likely it is to produce a quick kill.

Shock seems most likely to occur when light framed animals are hit by high velocity bullets. The classic case would be when a small (say about 100 pound), relaxed, deer or antelope is hit by a 130 grain .270 bullet at short to medium range. Sometimes the animal goes down so fast that it seems as if the earth was jerked from under its feet. This is the "four feet in the air" effect. But if the same animal were frightened or excited before he was hit, he might run a considerable distance before expiring. As I said, shock can be deadly, but it is unpredictable.

Energy and killing power

Kinetic energy, the ability to do work (or in this case damage), is the most common measure of killing power for rifle bullets. And it is, in fact, a reasonable indicator. But it is by no means the only factor, or even the most important factor. Energy gives us an idea of how much power there is to initiate things like bullet expansion and penetration, but does not guarantee that they will occur.

It is generally recommended that a small bore (.24-.32 caliber) rifle bullet suitable for medium size (CXP2 class) game be carrying about 800 ft. lbs. of kinetic energy when it hits. Energy is greatest at the muzzle, and diminishes as the bullet loses velocity. When the velocity reaches zero, so does the energy. But long before that the bullet has fallen below the recommended level of energy for reliably killing deer size animals. So the practical hunting range of any cartridge is ultimately limited by how much energy remains. (It is also limited by other factors, for example trajectory, but that is another subject.)

As an example, let's take a .30-30 rifle firing a Federal factory load with a 150 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,390 fps. At the muzzle that bullet carries 1,900 ft. lbs. of energy. At 100 yards the energy has fallen to 1,355 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the energy is down to 945 ft. lbs. At 300 yards the energy has fallen to only 650 ft. lbs., which is below our 800 ft. lb. minimum. The velocity, by the way, is down to 1400 fps at 300 yards. One could conclude that the .30-30 is about a 200+ yard deer cartridge, based on its energy, and one would be right.

More at link
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and we all know how well the ATF, FBI, and DHS are at obeying the written laws, don't we /sarcasm
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Yes....I was waiting for the law enforcement hater to speak up. I can't wait till you grow up someday and realize that law enforcement is not your enemy. I reckon your age to be 19-25, and your mental age to be about 12-17.
 
Steelplate said:
Yes....I was waiting for the law enforcement hater to speak up. I can't wait till you grow up someday and realize that law enforcement is not your enemy. I reckon your age to be 19-25, and your mental age to be about 12-17.
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He's proven to be an antisocial psychopath who was kicked out of the Marines for having a personality disorder and given a General discharge. He's harmless, not even allowed to carry a gun.
 
Steelplate said:
Yes....I was waiting for the law enforcement hater to speak up. I can't wait till you grow up someday and realize that law enforcement is not your enemy. I reckon your age to be 19-25, and your mental age to be about 12-17.
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well then you'd be all kinds of stupid, wouldn't you? are you going to be the new badge blower on the site?
 
Howey said:
He's proven to be an antisocial psychopath who was kicked out of the Marines for having a personality disorder and given a General discharge. He's harmless, not even allowed to carry a gun.
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Imagine that. Wonder if he has any anyway?
 
Howey said:
He's proven to be an antisocial psychopath who was kicked out of the Marines for having a personality disorder and given a General discharge. He's harmless, not even allowed to carry a gun.
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and you'd be all kinds of stupid as well, especially for flat out lying, but you are the typical full of shit liberal.
 
Steelplate said:
Yeah....because they can go to a gun show in Arizona, Nevada or another state and pick them up without background checks...or....in NY, they can go to Ohio, or PA....in Chicago, they can go to any of the surrounding states.

What you don't get is that background checks aren't hurting you one bit, the bill proposed purposely put in an item that would make a National Registry illegal, and closed a huge method that people who legally aren't allowed 2nd Amendment rights use to get them despite their ineligibility.

Now... you wanna yell some more?
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Just curious; are you really this uninformed, just running on feelings, or out right lying.
Check out the bold parts of the Federal Guidelines for Gun shows.

NON-LICENSED RESIDENTS OF THIS STATE
MAY acquire long guns from FFLs licensed in this State.

MAY also acquire handguns from FFLs licensed in this State, provided that all provisions of the Brady law are met.

MAY dispose of firearms to any FFL.

MAY acquire from and dispose of personal firearms to non-licensed residents of the State.

CANNOT acquire from or dispose of firearms to non-licensed residents of any other State.
 
Howey said:
He's proven to be an antisocial psychopath who was kicked out of the Marines for having a personality disorder and given a General discharge. He's harmless, not even allowed to carry a gun.
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Did you discover this when you were dishonerably discharged for violating the DADT provision of the armed forces?
Or were you caught in a compromising situation in the barracks?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
well then you'd be all kinds of stupid, wouldn't you? are you going to be the new badge blower on the site?
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Nope...but I wouldn't be surprised if someday your disappearance from this site coincides with the arrest of a Domestic Terrorist somewhere...Do me a favor....when it happens...before they put the cuffs on you....get a sharpie and put STY on your shirt. Thanks.
 
Steelplate said:
Nope...but I wouldn't be surprised if someday your disappearance from this site coincides with the arrest of a Domestic Terrorist somewhere...Do me a favor....when it happens...before they put the cuffs on you....get a sharpie and put STY on your shirt. Thanks.
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do you know how many years i've been hearing about the fantasies of half of you posters here waiting for me to be arrested as a domestic terrorist? you'd think by now that it would have already happened, to hear you idiots talk about it.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Yeah, you must not be very familiar with police.
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Had a DUI when I was 18...30 years ago.

I fucking deserved it. Didn't wreck, wasn't swerving... only blew a .11 back when the legal limit was .10.

Cop told me that he would've never pulled me over if I had kept driving, because I didn't give him enough cause....but me trying to make a stale green light that had turned yellow as I was making the right hand turn and the ensuing squealing of my tires made him want to follow me out if town. But...my buddy in the passenger seat wanted a hoagie from the local convenience store...so I pulled in and the cop pulled in beside me. I didn't see him sitting at the intersection waiting on the red light.

So yeah, I have limited experience with cops...I broke the law and make no excuses for myself. I was wrong.
 
Steelplate said:
Had a DUI when I was 18...30 years ago.

I fucking deserved it. Didn't wreck, wasn't swerving... only blew a .11 back when the legal limit was .10.

Cop told me that he would've never pulled me over if I had kept driving, because I didn't give him enough cause....but me trying to make a stale green light that had turned yellow as I was making the right hand turn and the ensuing squealing of my tires made him want to follow me out if town. But...my buddy in the passenger seat wanted a hoagie from the local convenience store...so I pulled in and the cop pulled in beside me. I didn't see him sitting at the intersection waiting on the red light.

So yeah, I have limited experience with cops...I broke the law and make no excuses for myself. I was wrong.
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Yeah, I work with a few hundred. Well, ok my company builds their cars and such. I can attest that they have a very....authoritarian view of civvies.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Yeah, I work with a few hundred. Well, ok my company builds their cars and such. I can attest that they have a very....authoritarian view of civvies.
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Well...that kind of goes with the territory. Every time they pull someone over, they could be dealing with a criminal...or a future one. They run the plate check before they get out of the car, so they know who's car they pulled over and their criminal record, but they don't know if the person behind the wheel is the person who owns the car, or if that person is a criminal who hasn't been caught yet and is maybe carrying a quarter pound of pot or a half ounce of heroin.

It's a risky job.
 
Steelplate said:
Nope...but I wouldn't be surprised if someday your disappearance from this site coincides with the arrest of a Domestic Terrorist somewhere...Do me a favor....when it happens...before they put the cuffs on you....get a sharpie and put STY on your shirt. Thanks.
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Lmao!!!
 
Steelplate said:
Had a DUI when I was 18...30 years ago.

I fucking deserved it. Didn't wreck, wasn't swerving... only blew a .11 back when the legal limit was .10.

Cop told me that he would've never pulled me over if I had kept driving, because I didn't give him enough cause....but me trying to make a stale green light that had turned yellow as I was making the right hand turn and the ensuing squealing of my tires made him want to follow me out if town. But...my buddy in the passenger seat wanted a hoagie from the local convenience store...so I pulled in and the cop pulled in beside me. I didn't see him sitting at the intersection waiting on the red light.

So yeah, I have limited experience with cops...I broke the law and make no excuses for myself. I was wrong.
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So you're a recovering alcoholic.
At least you're trying and I'm sure you would now concede that all vehicles should be equipped with an ignition lockout system, so that drunks can't drive ANY vehicle.
 
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