The Firearms Statistics That Gun Control Advocates Don’t Want to See

Socrtease said:
Your thought is years behind the advances in .223 ammo. Read this for starters http://americanhunter.org/blogs/223-for-deer-hunting/
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I stand corrected, with a caveat. The .223 is a very accurate round. I can see that the advances have brought them into more acceptable realms for hunting bigger game. But I prefer the mass of a larger bullet for a more humane kill. I have never particularly cared for using a .243 or 6mm for deer either. The article said "If you treat hunting with your .223 much like bow hunting and wait for the perfect shot, there is no reason that this caliber should not be considered for many applications.", and I know that in the excitement of the hunt the hunter often pushes the limit.

Considering the article you posted, I admit that my claim is largely colored by my own preference for larger calibers and bigger bullets. I prefer a "thumper".
 
WinterBorn said:
I stand corrected, with a caveat. The .223 is a very accurate round. I can see that the advances have brought them into more acceptable realms for hunting bigger game. But I prefer the mass of a larger bullet for a more humane kill. I have never particularly cared for using a .243 or 6mm for deer either. The article said "If you treat hunting with your .223 much like bow hunting and wait for the perfect shot, there is no reason that this caliber should not be considered for many applications.", and I know that in the excitement of the hunt the hunter often pushes the limit.

Considering the article you posted, I admit that my claim is largely colored by my own preference for larger calibers and bigger bullets. I prefer a "thumper".
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Me too.
 
Steelplate said:
Me too.
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Granted, the smaller calibers have gained a LOT of ground in recent years, due to improved bullet design. In years past I would never have recommended the .380 as a defensive round, but with the newer bullets I cannot deny the ballistic capabilities. But I still have a .45 and a .44 for defense (depending on where and from what).
 
There are .223 that expand to .54 very shortly after entering. Most people don't hunt with a .50 caliber weapon.
 
WinterBorn said:
The reason many assault rifles cannot be used to hunt deer (in most places) is because they are UNDER powered, not over powered.

A .223 is a small round.
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To hunt deer the caliber has to be 30 caliber and above. .223 is smaller thus illegal to hunt deer with.
 
OnearmSword said:
To hunt deer the caliber has to be 30 caliber and above. .223 is smaller thus illegal to hunt deer with.
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In some places that may be true. No where in the southeast. I have used a .270 for years and it is a well known deer round, even if it is, at .277", smaller than a .30 caliber.

In fact, there are many good deer calibers below a .30. The 25-06 is an excellent one, as are the .257 Roberts, .250 Savage, and even the .243/6mm (although not my preference).
 
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WinterBorn said:
In some places that may be true. No where in the southeast. I have used a .270 for years and it is a well known deer round, even if it is, at .277", smaller than a .30 caliber.

In fact, there are many good deer calibers below a .30. The 25-06 is an excellent one, as are the .257 Roberts, .250 Savage, and even the .243/6mm (although not my preference).
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I do not dispute that . I am a huge fan of the 25-06 myself. My state its 30 caliber or larger and the reason cited is too many wounded deer . Many of the smaller calibers are so fast the bullet unless it hits a bone travels thru without very much exspansion and that means a small entry and a small exit wound. Deer gets away ,dies and goes to waste.
 
OnearmSword said:
I killed more deer with a 30 caliber M1 CARBINE THAT ANY OTHER WEAPON. I USED TO HUNT WITH THAT BABY RELIGOUSLY.
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That's fine....but in PA, you wouldn't be legal....I don't make the rules, so don't yell at me. I use a Remington 7600 .270 caliber. But when I first started, I used my trusty 870 12 gauge with slugs(they didn't have the slug barrel back then... or at least I never saw them back then.
 
OnearmSword said:
I killed more deer with a 30 caliber M1 CARBINE THAT ANY OTHER WEAPON. I USED TO HUNT WITH THAT BABY RELIGOUSLY.
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The M1 Carbine? Shooting a .30 Carbine round? I would have thought that would be a somewhat underpowered round, unless you are hunting in heavily wooded areas where long shots are rare.
 
WinterBorn said:
The M1 Carbine? Shooting a .30 Carbine round? I would have thought that would be a somewhat underpowered round, unless you are hunting in heavily wooded areas where long shots are rare.
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That's why people in PA tend to like a 30/30...it's pretty dense here...lots of underbrush.
 
WinterBorn said:
And the .30 Carbine ballistics make that difficult at all but close ranges. According to the Chuck Hawks tables, if it hits 2.8" high at 100 yards, it is hitting 8.2" low at 200 yards.

That is not exactly an open range/bean field deer cartridge.
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No, it's not. But under 100 it's fine. Of course I still maintain that an AK is the best deer rifle around.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
No, it's not. But under 100 it's fine. Of course I still maintain that an AK is the best deer rifle around.
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Since I have hunted deer with a .243, .270, .308, .30-06, 7mm Mag, 45-70, and a .44 mag revolver, I can't speak to the AK idea.

But for accuracy, availability of ammo, and recoil that doesn't make range work a hassle, the .270 wins out.
 
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