Tesla Model S ties highest ever Consumer Reports rating with a 99

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Yes and who sets the criteria? Oh yeah, the gobblement and we all know that people in the gobblement aren't biased or have agendas or anything right? Oh no. That would never happen. Those gobblement folks are all about "public service" and making sure we all live a wonderful life because they really care unlike those filthy "capitalists".

You are embarrassing yourself now. I get it, you love the whole idea of "electric" cars and that is your prerogative. I don't care one way or the other. I just don't want tax dollars going toward it or any other pet project.

And I think tax money spent on new industry and starting new businesses is money well spent.

Luckily, it happens the way I think it should and you get to rail against it without any effect.

 

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Also, did Tesla get money that was given? Or were they loaned money?

 

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If we can get 20% of the cars on the road running on electricity in the next 20 years, the subsidy will have been well worth it.



While a $70k price tag puts it in the luxury market, it is not wildly expensive. Audi, Cadillac, BMW and more run that much or higher. And they are certainly not exclusively driven by rich people.

Hell, there are new Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8s listed for $70k.

Yes...but they need consumer priced models. Even the Volt goes for $40k. I'm sure as battery technology increases, the cost would drop well into the realm of affordability.

I saw sn interview with a guy one time, he had a good solution. It would require all the manufacturers to play nice though. Have a standardized battery system and instead of gas stations, have battery swap stations. His design took 5 minutes to swap out a battery. He has implemented it in other countries....I can only remember a few....Switzerland, Belgium, Israel, and he was working on implementing it in Australia at the time of the interview....to see if it would work on a large scale. The cost for nationwide implementation was very static....it was about the same cost as one week of that country's oil consumption. Plus, the cost of the vehicles came down to around $12-15k....because they were fitted with his battery from factory.

 

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Yes...but they need consumer priced models. Even the Volt goes for $40k. I'm sure as battery technology increases, the cost would drop well into the realm of affordability.

I saw sn interview with a guy one time, he had a good solution. It would require all the manufacturers to play nice though. Have a standardized battery system and instead of gas stations, have battery swap stations. His design took 5 minutes to swap out a battery. He has implemented it in other countries....I can only remember a few....Switzerland, Belgium, Israel, and he was working on implementing it in Australia at the time of the interview....to see if it would work on a large scale. The cost for nationwide implementation was very static....it was about the same cost as one week of that country's oil consumption. Plus, the cost of the vehicles came down to around $12-15k....because they were fitted with his battery from factory.

Is that playing nice or is that one guy selling his design to every car manufacturer?

 

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And I think tax money spent on new industry and starting new businesses is money well spent.

Luckily, it happens the way I think it should and you get to rail against it without any effect.

Right picking winners and losers. That you like it is obvious but at least have the intellectual honesty to call it what it is. Crony capiatalism

 

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Right picking winners and losers. That you like it is obvious but at least have the intellectual honesty to call it what it is. Crony capiatalism

No, it is giving loans and grants to new businesses. If you fit the criteria, you get the money. Yes, the gov't decides on the criteria, but the rules are set before, not after. Repeating that they pick winners & losers does not make it any more accurate.

 

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It is an "IF" that appears to be gaining momentum.

Yep, they got some of our tax dollars. Not enough to put a serious dent in the budget, but they got some.

First, the technology being developed will help relieve our dependence on foriegn oil. Second, they are creating jobs. And third, they are opening doors for others to do the same.

Money well spent, imo.

And I think tax money spent on new industry and starting new businesses is money well spent.

Luckily, it happens the way I think it should and you get to rail against it without any effect.

I'll never understand why and how **some** people are so hell-bent on failure, particularly ILA (I'm assuming he's bitching about the Tesla loan from the Bush administration).

Also, did Tesla get money that was given? Or were they loaned money?

They were loans originating within the Bush administration, disbursed during the early days of the Obama administration and now being paid off FIVE YEARS ahead of schedule.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-08/tesla-plans-to-repay-u-s-loans-five-years-early.html

Yes...but they need consumer priced models. Even the Volt goes for $40k. I'm sure as battery technology increases, the cost would drop well into the realm of affordability.

I saw sn interview with a guy one time, he had a good solution. It would require all the manufacturers to play nice though. Have a standardized battery system and instead of gas stations, have battery swap stations. His design took 5 minutes to swap out a battery. He has implemented it in other countries....I can only remember a few....Switzerland, Belgium, Israel, and he was working on implementing it in Australia at the time of the interview....to see if it would work on a large scale. The cost for nationwide implementation was very static....it was about the same cost as one week of that country's oil consumption. Plus, the cost of the vehicles came down to around $12-15k....because they were fitted with his battery from factory.

Tesla continues it's innovative ways with a new financing plan to make it's Model S more affordable, as well as guaranteed resale value.

Tesla (TSLA)'s plan is designed to mimic the benefits of a lease: low initial cash outlay plus no worries about the car's eventual resale value, while allowing buyers to actually own the car outright. In a traditional lease, the bank or financing company actually owns the car and the driver essentially rents it for the period of the lease.

US Bank and Wells Fargo have agreed to finance 90% of the purchase price of the Model S, according to Tesla. The buyer will make the 10% down payment. With Model S prices starting at $70,000 to $100,000, the down payment could be entirely -- or almost entirely -- covered by a $7,500 federal tax credit for plug-in cars.

"You can buy a Model S for no money down net of the tax credit and for $500 a month," Tesla chief executive Elon Musk said in a conference call.

The $500 a month figure was calculated to include savings derived from not using gasoline. Also, among other factors, the company included the time saved from not pumping gas, estimated to be worth $100 a month.

And they'll be coming out with a smaller, less expensive model in two years.

Tesla Motors will offer its next production model (and its fourth ever, including the discontinued Roadster) by 2017 at the latest, part of the California-based automaker work to offer a less-expensive option than the Model S sedan and the upcoming Model X SUV. The dates were given by Tesla CEO Elon Musk in a recent interview to Engadget, who said the car would be here, "Hopefully 2016, but I would say no later than 2017."

The yet-to-be-named model will be "slightly smaller" than the Model S and could be priced at about half of what the Model S costs. The Model S ranges from $70,000 to $100,000. Musk also said the company's network of Supercharger stations will always be free to Tesla owners and that, while the company has "great product," its service offerings have room for improvement.

 

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Is that playing nice or is that one guy selling his design to every car manufacturer?

It's a solution to a need. Right now, the biggest limitation to electric cars is the inefficiency of the battery systems. The best ones are good for maybe 100 miles. Which is fine if you are just grocery getting or going to work and back....but if you plan on longer trips, that presents a problem. This eliminates that problem...at least until the technology gets better....which it will.

If his solution brings down the cost of the car for consumers, makes the cars more marketable for the manufacturer, extends the range of the car indefinitely, and makes the guy rich....what's the issue?

 

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It's a solution to a need. Right now, the biggest limitation to electric cars is the inefficiency of the battery systems. The best ones are good for maybe 100 miles. Which is fine if you are just grocery getting or going to work and back....but if you plan on longer trips, that presents a problem. This eliminates that problem...at least until the technology gets better....which it will.

If his solution brings down the cost of the car for consumers, makes the cars more marketable for the manufacturer, extends the range of the car indefinitely, and makes the guy rich....what's the issue?

The Tesla's extended range is 300 miles.

I understand that this guy is presenting a solution to a problem. But I think its funny that the solution involves all the car makers "playing nice" and giving this guy a monopoly on the batteries for every electric car.

I don't think it is really a big issue, since I doubt all of the car manufacturers will agree to it. Most will want a sealed system for their batteries.

 

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I'll never understand why and how **some** people are so hell-bent on failure, particularly ILA (I'm assuming he's bitching about the Tesla loan from the Bush administration).




They were loans originating within the Bush administration, disbursed during the early days of the Obama administration and now being paid off FIVE YEARS ahead of schedule.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-08/tesla-plans-to-repay-u-s-loans-five-years-early.html



Tesla continues it's innovative ways with a new financing plan to make it's Model S more affordable, as well as guaranteed resale value.



And they'll be coming out with a smaller, less expensive model in two years.

See Fagbot I don't give a fiddlers fuck if it was done under Bush, that doesn't make it right. You unlike partisan hacks like you I don't put party over principle.

Stating that there shouldn't be crony capitalism doesn't mean I wish for failure. I am beginning to think Desh may be smarter than you

 

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No, it is giving loans and grants to new businesses. If you fit the criteria, you get the money. Yes, the gov't decides on the criteria, but the rules are set before, not after. Repeating that they pick winners & losers does not make it any more accurate.

Right.......


And the "criteria" we're created in a vacuum. Right? And if you don't meet the "criteria" you lose. If you meet the "criteria" you win. Crony capitalism at its finest.

I win. You lose. But then I always win on this board. I am undefeated

 

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Right.......


And the "criteria" we're created in a vacuum. Right? And if you don't meet the "criteria" you lose. If you meet the "criteria" you win. Crony capitalism at its finest.

I win. You lose. But then I always win on this board. I am undefeated

Since the criteria was created by businessmen working with the SBA, your "croneyism" idea is nonsense.

 

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Since the criteria was created by businessmen working with the SBA, your "croneyism" idea is nonsense.

Keep telling yourself that puddin. Maybe in 400 years your precious electric cars might work. It is almost like it has never been tried before.

I win. You lose. You are flat out wrong. You just like jerking off to the Tesla. Maybe Grind will lend you his sock. Or HowAIDS will swallow it for you.

 

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Keep telling yourself that puddin. Maybe in 400 years your precious electric cars might work. It is almost like it has never been tried before.

I win. You lose. You are flat out wrong. You just like jerking off to the Tesla. Maybe Grind will lend you his sock. Or HowAIDS will swallow it for you.

Yeah, the win/lose is by your proclamation. That means so much. But the fact is that the Tesla has made huge advances in a technology that is on its way in. That you dislike it or get pissy because the gov't loaned Tesla money is just laughable.

I'll tell you what I told several of the anti-gay folks 5 or 6 years ago. Gay marriage is coming. You can get with the program or you can be one of the neanderthals that are left looking stupid.

Electric cars are coming. They'll be the norm in 20 years.

 

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Yeah, the win/lose is by your proclamation. That means so much. But the fact is that the Tesla has made huge advances in a technology that is on its way in. That you dislike it or get pissy because the gov't loaned Tesla money is just laughable.

I'll tell you what I told several of the anti-gay folks 5 or 6 years ago. Gay marriage is coming. You can get with the program or you can be one of the neanderthals that are left looking stupid.

Electric cars are coming. They'll be the norm in 20 years.

As always you go out of your way to miss the point.


Here is the question for you to answer. If they are so great why do they even need gobblement loans? Why can't they raise the money themselves? Is it nobody but you, them and 4900 people worldwide see the genius?

I don't doubt that they have made remarkable strides. But this whole "loan" business is a lark and you know it. Taxpayers should not be on the hook for any business.

I win. You lose

 

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As always you go out of your way to miss the point.


Here is the question for you to answer. If they are so great why do they even need gobblement loans? Why can't they raise the money themselves? Is it nobody but you, them and 4900 people worldwide see the genius?

I don't doubt that they have made remarkable strides. But this whole "loan" business is a lark and you know it. Taxpayers should not be on the hook for any business.

I win. You lose

Businesses have been starting for decades using SBA loans. Tesla got some large loans and paid them back.

Yes, only 4,900 have been delivered. But there is an 11 month waiting list full of people who paid a good downpayment to get on that list.


You have won nothing. Your points are that the gov't should be helping new businesses and electric cars are a pipedream. No evidence, just opinion and personal attacks.

 

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Businesses have been starting for decades using SBA loans. Tesla got some large loans and paid them back.

Yes, only 4,900 have been delivered. But there is an 11 month waiting list full of people who paid a good downpayment to get on that list.


You have won nothing. Your points are that the gov't should be helping new businesses and electric cars are a pipedream. No evidence, just opinion and personal attacks.

He's a big oil douchebag. He likes paying $14/gallon.

 

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Gas engines are getting cleaner and more efficient.
Tesla needs to do this alone, like apple did!
Us makers won't allow a small efficient truck option because it will eat into the high profit larger trucks.