FU Rand Paul! Gary Johnson for President 2016!

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http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/13/rand-paul-assures-evangelicals-that-he-d

In preparation for a 2016 presidential run, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is courting evangelical leaders. And we all know what that means! It's time to throw those hedonistic, libertine, drug-obsessed libertarians under the bus. The Washington Post reports on how that's going:

At a lunch Friday with about a dozen evangelical pastors in a Cedar Rapids hotel, the younger Paul assured the group that he disagrees with libertarians who support legalizing drugs. When one pastor inquired about ideological ties between Paul and his father, the senator asked that he be judged as his own man.

Paul said he believes in freedom and wants a “virtuous society” where people practice “self-restraint.” Yet he believes in laws and limits as well. Instead of advocating for legalized drugs, for example, he pushes for reduced penalties for many drug offenses.
“I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot,” [Rand] said. “I’m not a libertarian. I’m a libertarian Republican. I’m a constitutional conservative.”

“He made it very clear that he does not support legalization of drugs like marijuana and that he supports traditional marriage,” [said Brad Sherman of the Solid Rock Christian Church in Coralville, Iowa].

Just to hammer home what's been said already: Paul isn't a libertarian on drugs. He wants to keep everything illegal, but institute gentler penalties. That's not remotely libertarian. (Is it politically practical? Sure. So are farm subsidies.)

As for "traditional marriage," here's how Paul is selling his position to evangelicals:

He said he’s not ready to “give up on” the traditional family unit. But he added that it is a mistake for conservatives to support a federal ban on same-sex marriage, saying, “We’re going to lose that battle because the country is going the other way right now.

“If we’re to say each state can decide, I think a good 25 or 30 states still do believe in traditional marriage, and maybe we allow that debate to go on for another couple of decades and see if we can still win back the hearts and minds of people,” he said.

"Win back the hearts and minds of people"? What does that even mean? That if we give the country enough time, a majority of voters will change their minds about extending equal protection to same-sex couples, and revoke it? And that would be a good thing?

Considering just how "radical" candidate Obama was, I can't help but wonder how Paul would be different from any other Republican president.
 
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http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/13/rand-paul-assures-evangelicals-that-he-d

In preparation for a 2016 presidential run, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is courting evangelical leaders. And we all know what that means! It's time to throw those hedonistic, libertine, drug-obsessed libertarians under the bus. The Washington Post reports on how that's going:

At a lunch Friday with about a dozen evangelical pastors in a Cedar Rapids hotel, the younger Paul assured the group that he disagrees with libertarians who support legalizing drugs. When one pastor inquired about ideological ties between Paul and his father, the senator asked that he be judged as his own man.

Paul said he believes in freedom and wants a “virtuous society” where people practice “self-restraint.” Yet he believes in laws and limits as well. Instead of advocating for legalized drugs, for example, he pushes for reduced penalties for many drug offenses.
“I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot,” [Rand] said. “I’m not a libertarian. I’m a libertarian Republican. I’m a constitutional conservative.”

“He made it very clear that he does not support legalization of drugs like marijuana and that he supports traditional marriage,” [said Brad Sherman of the Solid Rock Christian Church in Coralville, Iowa].

Just to hammer home what's been said already: Paul isn't a libertarian on drugs. He wants to keep everything illegal, but institute gentler penalties. That's not remotely libertarian. (Is it politically practical? Sure. So are farm subsidies.)

As for "traditional marriage," here's how Paul is selling his position to evangelicals:

He said he’s not ready to “give up on” the traditional family unit. But he added that it is a mistake for conservatives to support a federal ban on same-sex marriage, saying, “We’re going to lose that battle because the country is going the other way right now.

“If we’re to say each state can decide, I think a good 25 or 30 states still do believe in traditional marriage, and maybe we allow that debate to go on for another couple of decades and see if we can still win back the hearts and minds of people,” he said.

"Win back the hearts and minds of people"? What does that even mean? That if we give the country enough time, a majority of voters will change their minds about extending equal protection to same-sex couples, and revoke it? And that would be a good thing?

Considering just how "radical" candidate Obama was, I can't help but wonder how Paul would be different from any other Republican president.


Poor Libertarians, they thought Rand had turned a corner, but he is just another guy who will say anything to get elected!
 
The sad fact is no Libertarian is going to win the Republican nomination. The evangelicals are too big of a voting block for the Republican Party to ignore. I know some say ignore those voters but who is the party going to replace them with? It's not like there are millions of Democrats just waiting to join the Republican Party.

I have no idea if what Rand Paul told these evangelicals is what he really believes or he was stating what he thinks they want to hear. I do like the idea of lesser drug penalties (as always the devil is in the details) and I agree with him a federal ban on gay marriage isn't going to work and is pretty pointless to go after.
 
He's done. I bet he is out of the Senate in 4 years. I don't see why he would want to throw away the base of his support to appeal to a quickly shrinking demographic.
 
The sad fact is no Libertarian is going to win the Republican nomination. The evangelicals are too big of a voting block for the Republican Party to ignore. I know some say ignore those voters but who is the party going to replace them with? It's not like there are millions of Democrats just waiting to join the Republican Party.

I have no idea if what Rand Paul told these evangelicals is what he really believes or he was stating what he thinks they want to hear. I do like the idea of lesser drug penalties (as always the devil is in the details) and I agree with him a federal ban on gay marriage isn't going to work and is pretty pointless to go after.

So we should hope that he is a liar?
 
I already soured on him after his stalling on immigration reform, his strange statements on using drones on a liquor store robbery suspect and his claims that an attack on Israel should be treated as an attack on the US. If he wants to kiss theocon ass he will lose my and most libertarians support.
 
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I have no problem with this. His father was an authoritarian and his son just came out and said he was a different kind. What's the big deal?

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