Student loans anyone - Obama Student Loan Policy Reaping Record $51 Billion Profit

Damocles said:
Well, a nice Martial Arts degree would be beneficial. I think we should fund those, and you'd have to fund other accredited colleges, like some Bible Colleges... Yeah, a nice PhD program for people who think Dinosaurs were on the Ark with Noah....

Social work wouldn't be one of the degrees they are talking about. Philosophy likely would be though. What does a Philosophy Major say after he graduates? "Would you like fries with that?"
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Smart take, Damo. Thanks for contributing.
 
Also, too, how is it a strawman to state my opinion on a particular matter? Frankly, I find the government picking and choosing worthy areas of study (by paying for people to study some but not others) as kind of repugnant. There's a social engineering aspect to it that bothers me.

I mean, maybe if you're a filthy Communiss you'd get into that sort of thing but as a freedom loving 'Murican I can't abide it.
 
Dungheap said:
Also, too, how is it a strawman to state my opinion on a particular matter? Frankly, I find the government picking and choosing worthy areas of study (by paying for people to study some but not others) as kind of repugnant. There's a social engineering aspect to it that bothers me.
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1) It is a straw man because I stated the government should not be paying for degrees that won't translate to jobs and you then came back with the 'oh no, I couldn't live in a world where they didn't pay for social degrees and philosophy'

2) In addition it is funny given that you state the above, yet have no problem with a universal health care where the government decides what health options we should and should not have covered.
 
Superfreak said:
1) It is a straw man because I stated the government should not be paying for degrees that won't translate to jobs and you then came back with the 'oh no, I couldn't live in a world where they didn't pay for social degrees and philosophy'
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That's called a conversation, SF.


Superfreak said:
2) In addition it is funny given that you state the above, yet have no problem with a universal health care where the government decides what health options we should and should not have covered.
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Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.
 
Dungheap said:
Smart take, Damo. Thanks for contributing.
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Just pointing out that the "free for all" nonsense will lead to the government funding religious degrees as well. You know the ones where after they graduate they help contribute the "science" that is used for the Creationist Museum...
 
Damocles said:
Just pointing out that the "free for all" nonsense will lead to the government funding religious degrees as well. You know the ones where after they graduate the help contribute the "science" that is used for the Creationist Museum...
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Yeah, I don't really have a problem with that, Damo. Prrovided the insitution is accredited by an organization recognized by the Department of Education.
 
Dungheap said:
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with that, Damo. Prrovided the insitution is accredited by an organization recognized by the Department of Education.
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There are quite a few of them. I don't really care either, I'm just attempting to plumb the depths of your "everybody gets a bachelors degree" beliefs...

It is interesting that people who have cows over tax dollars going to fund an education at an accredited private school because it is "religious" suddenly don't care that their tax dollars might be "wasted" on a religious education at a different accredited private school because it is "college" and they really want to fund their son's Bachelor Degree in Martial Arts or Philosophy.

Personally I agree with you, if we do this thing we should simply do it. However I see the government entering yet another segment of your life and telling you what degrees are "good for you"... Angry liberals protesting places that want to give incentives to push people into those religious studies... Angry righties rejecting pleas to stop funding religious studies...
 
Howey said:
Two things...

One, and once again, these are loans, not giveaways. Why is that so hard for your narrow mind to understand?

Two, I'm not surprised you're being Mr. Judgmental again. Who the fuck are you to determine what is and what isn't a good degree? Who made you the arbiter of that?

Do you know social workers save lives? What is it they do that you don't appreciate?

And what the fuck is it your business what someone studies in college?

What's your degree in?

STUPIDITY?
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This one really got me. Lol
 
blackascoal said:
So would I .. cradle-to-grave free education and healthcare for all citizens.

If Cuba, Venezuela, Libya, and other countries can do it .. what's the problem?

Student Debt and the Crushing of the American Dream
By Joesph Stiglitz
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America is distinctive among advanced industrialized countries in the burden it places on students and their parents for financing higher education. America is also exceptional among comparable countries for the high cost of a college degree, including at public universities. Average tuition, and room and board, at four-year colleges is just short of $22,000 a year, up from under $9,000 (adjusted for inflation) in 1980-81.

Compare this more-than-doubling in tuition with the stagnation in median family income, which is now about $50,000, compared to $46,000 in 1980 (adjusted for inflation).
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/12/student-debt-and-the-crushing-of-the-american-dream/

Student debt is crushing American education and students.

PROFIT is the problem.
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the problem is that we don't have nationalized oil profits as those who you reference do. And why all the blather about the govt. reaping these profits? The govt. used to give money to the banks for next to nothing, and the banks would make the profits. Remove republican obstructionism, and the rates would be half what they are now via the fed. subsidies. Nobody is forced to take out a student loan.
 
Superfreak said:
Hillarious how poor little Howey jumped all over Dung's strawman
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Yeah, I just noticed that. Dung is as wrong as you.

Superfreak said:
Dear moron... the comment you quoted was in discussion about having the government provide college education for 'free'.
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Read the OP...Student loans anyone - Obama Student Loan Policy Reaping Record $51 Billion Profit

Weren't you one of the idiots getting your panties in a wad when I changed the subject of a thread yesterday???


Superfreak said:
Dear moron, I did not say I was the one who should decide what is or isnt a good degree. I said don't pay for ones that wouldn't help people get a job.
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I stand corrected. I'm glad you believe a degree in social work or philosophy is a good degree.
 
Damocles said:
There are quite a few of them. I don't really care either... But it is interesting that people who have cows over tax dollars going to fund an education at an accredited private school because it is "religious" suddenly don't care that their tax dollars might be "wasted" on a religious education at a different accredited private school because it is "college" and they really want to fund their son's Bachelor Degree in Martial Arts or Philosophy.
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Actually, now that you mention it . . . I hadn't really thought that through. I suppose I would object to it and would instead prefer a policy of universal free college eduation at state schools, not at private colleges. But I wouldn't discriminate among "good" and "bad" majors (or "good" and "bad" private institutions). I mean, if you want to go to some fancy private college and get your fancy Martial Arts degree then that'll be on your own nickel.
 
Thing1 said:
Now there are 2 of us - let's keep talking it up.

It's almost impossible to put hard #'s on it, but I have a hard time imagining the return on investment for that not being pretty huge. We keep talking about how we're losing ground in the world in education, technology, medicine, etc. Let's get everyone a higher degree, without crushing debt, and see what happens.
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Three of us.
 
Re: Student loans anyone - Obama Student Loan Policy Reaping Record $51 Billion

We don't need to increase government involvement. In another twenty years the market will provide college courses for next to nothing through MOOCs and bring about a revolution in education.
 
Professor Baxter said:
We don't need to increase government involvement. In another twenty years the market will provide college courses for next to nothing through MOOCs and bring about a revolution in education.
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MOOCs?

Nevermind, just googled it.....yeah I dunno. There is a huge stigma attached to online courses, at least from what I've seen.
 
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Chapel The Evergreen said:
MOOCs?

Nevermind, just googled it.....yeah I dunno. There is a huge stigma attached to online courses, at least from what I've seen.
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So? Yeah, there was a stigma against digital music and books too. The silly prejudices of old farts will not stop the world from progressing.
 
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